▶ No.4567>>4635 >>4739 >>10884
accelerationism obviously
▶ No.4570
meh… let the sleepers argue endlessly over their precious "isms"…
the state, cloaked in whatever symbolic colors are popular atm, always wins…
▶ No.4573
Political ideologies are for people who haven't abandoned their hope.
▶ No.4574>>4578 >>4615 >>4645 >>7190
>>4554 (OP)
National-capitalism is the only way to maintain the prosperity and superiority of western civilization without the cultural rot of modernity. Subjecting the Aryan race to the subhuman conditions of socialism must never be permitted under any circumstances.
▶ No.4575
Accelerationism. My only wish is to end with everything else.
▶ No.4578>>4632
>>4574
Do you believe a federal safety net should be allowed, provided the individual/family can prove that they genuinely are just down on their luck, and are willing to present a plan to get back on their feet?
▶ No.4606
What makes sense now will not make sense after the collapse. The only useful ideology is one that effectively internalizes the collapse. One that instructs us live as if the collapse has already happened. So when the collapse does happen, we doomers see it as comfy rather than catastrophic.
▶ No.4612>>4619
The one where everyone rejects the lies and flasehoods and accepts truth instead of being s subhuman who believe in lies and refuses to accept reality. And that we also kill all subhumans because they are inferior. So fascism I guess.
▶ No.4615>>4632
>>4574
Not possible. Any time freedom is allowed, the lowest common denominator will always fuck everything up. Greed always gets the better of everyone. Corporations must be heavily regulated if allowed to exist at all, and I don't think they should; everything should be sourced locally whenever possible.
▶ No.4619>>4663 >>7236
>>4612
>The one where everyone rejects the lies and flasehoods and accepts truth instead of being s subhuman who believe in lies and refuses to accept reality.
Commie scum!
>And that we also kill all subhumans because they are inferior. So fascism I guess.
Fucking blue pill stooge
▶ No.4622>>4623
Surrealistic racist druid theocracy, in which our tribal enemies are offered as blood sacrifices to the Goat of the Woods by priest-aristocrats with elaborate moustaches who wear rubber boots on their heads.
▶ No.4623
>>4622
Based and Wicker Man Pilled
▶ No.4632>>7798
>>4578
Hell no. Asking for a safety net is asking for Detroit. You will pay at least 10x more in taxes for the low quality services that the government offers, when the same shit costs pennies at market prices. Tradtionally, big families, friends, and even neighbours were what people had instead of welfare, so they had a reason to stick together and form communities, today people (and most importantly - women) can be selfish, individualistic cunts who make bad decisions, because if they fuck up in life, they will just assume the government will bail them out, so the family no longer has any authority over them.
>>4615
This is all typical /leftypol/ bullshit sans the autism.
>Any time freedom is allowed, the lowest common denominator will always fuck everything up.
Define freedom first.
>Greed always gets the better of everyone.
Yes, especially people in government who can just take what they want instead of asking you nicely to buy their shit.
>Corporations must be heavily regulated if allowed to exist at all
You are asking to replace corporations with not just a monopoly, but a government one. If you give anyone a monopoly on something, they will raise the prices and lower the quality of services, a government monopoly only kills whatever it is supposed to protect, as was the case in every single socialist shithole that ever existed. In essence, the government becomes the corporation.
>and I don't think they should
tbh neither do I. The corporations that exist today are like giant tumours that aren't naturally found in a healthy economy. They only exist because government bails them out and shelters them from harsh competition.
>everything should be sourced locally whenever possible.
This will only be possible when businesses (that includes family businesses) aren't taxed or heavily regulated.
▶ No.4635>>4682 >>4740 >>5785 >>11184
>>4567
this but such that the social collapse leads to anarcho-primitivism or eco facism
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▶ No.4639
>>4554 (OP)
how much are you paying me for completing your survey, ///google/// ?
▶ No.4644
▶ No.4645>>4730 >>5787
>>4574
>national capitalism
>not anarcho monarchism
Anon, I am dissapoint
▶ No.4661>>4668 >>4817
>>4554 (OP)
I cant take doomers that are not stirnerite seriously.
▶ No.4663
>>4619
butterdup is that you?
▶ No.4668>>4671
>>4661
Stirner is meme tier
▶ No.4671>>4826
>>4668
Stirner is ther logical conclusion to enlightment. Deabte me.
▶ No.4680>>4692 >>4740 >>5786
Ungernist Tolpot
All the classlessness, primitivism, agrarianism of Pol Pot
All the religiousity, anti-atheism, counter semitism, and pan-theism of Ungern
▶ No.4682>>4739
>>4635
Similar but more Socialist. I too like Acceleration that leads to Caveman degradation and mass grapes of women.
I like the cut of your jib so much so you can come over and grape my sister.
▶ No.4692
>>4680
Now that's some patrician political taste right there.
▶ No.4695>>4847 >>5787
Fortnite, Blacked dot com, and SoundCloud rap constitute the logical conclusion of the enlightenment.
We are the last men.
▶ No.4741>>7170
>>4739
>>4740
Both accelerationists and primitivists are right, as both of them see the irreconcilable conflict between humanism and late modernity. They just choose opposing sides
The normies, reassured by Whig history, remain clueless
▶ No.4746
Ópportunism/Realpolitik. Behind every ideology there are always people and you have to deal with those people in order to get the most out of them. Action comes first, then we look for a justification.
Think of Charles Maurice de Talleyrand- Perigord.
▶ No.4750>>4756 >>4848 >>5787 >>7942
I don't think I've read enough to definitely say.
Politically: anarchism, swaying between mutualism, ansoc and the green one
Individually: discordian egoism
Morally: whatever, I don't judge (if pedos can rape children, parents can kill pedos)
All in all anarcho-fascism sounds confusingly clear enough to me.
inb4:
>doesn't know
>tells you anyways
inb4:
>edgelord trying to show off
fite me
▶ No.4756>>4765 >>4868
>>4750
>anarcho-fascism
contradictory, same as anarcho-capitalism
▶ No.4765>>4769 >>5788
>>4756
Meh. If fascism, etymologically, is "bundle-of-sticks-ism", and anarchism is "no-kings-ism" , then anarcho-fascism would be something like "bundles-of-sticks-for-all-not-just-royalty-ism".
Anarcho-capitalism can be explained similarly. All paradoxes may be reconciled. Chaos prevails. The reason we are all here, yes?
Mental gymnastics? Maybe, but I dare you to name one thing that is objectively not paradoxical.
protip: you can't
▶ No.4766
▶ No.4769>>4800
>>4765
How are you going to put together political movement which is primarily against hierarchy and political ideology which is first and foremost about strongly defined hierarchy? Like, sorry, but are you braindead? If you are searching for compromise, it's compromise between something, not blend of two opposite political ideas. Isn't that precisely democracy though? There is hierarchy but we are somewhat allowed to be individuals in most cases. And no, anarchism and capitalism are by principle not compatible, you seem like you would get use of some books about philosophy.
By the way, your way of thinking is exact reason why meme oxymoron like nazbol even exist. Read first.
▶ No.4800>>4814 >>4817 >>5790
>>4769
I think you misunderstand. Aside from the postmodern "all is relative" argument, I take anarchism to be not! strictly anti-hierarchical but just strictly against unjustified hierarchy.
And yes, I am looking for a blend of two political opposites, but a justifiable blend. Take the good, leave the bad. Like I said I consider myself an anarchist, but I do not consider "fascist" to be an insult. There is great value for both individualist and collectivist thought in fascism and nationalism and the like.
I do read, or try to. I like Nietzsche's idea of not choosing either good or evil, but of going beyond both. Whatever your opinion of e.g. the holocaust, even jews acknowledge its usefulness as it galvanized jewish identity. One could say Hitler created Israel.
I think man is inherently both beast and divine. As such, it seems logical to "ride the beast with a divine mind". Terror and virtue as Robespierre called it. (not exactly the same I know, but in principle) Terror without virtue is cruel, virtue without terror is impotent. Fascism is the beast to be ridden and tamed. Anarchism is the rider, the raison-d'être.
And yes, ultimately that would be democracy, but proper and actual rule by the people. Democracy in the west is however inextricably linked with the current system that trends towards oligarchical collectivism. And personally, I despise unjustified elitism, benevolent or not. Royalty is treason to mankind. So is aristocracy, so is oligarchism, so is corporatism, so is trotzkyism. Fascism is the ultimate power ideology, it's "us vs. them" incarnate. Anarchism is the ultimate moral ideology, it's "no gods, only Man" incarnate. I think we should use fascism strictly against the fascists, the "world controllers". The oligarchs who play their Great Game at the cost of us maggots.
I don't actually advocate anarcho-fascism, I advocate sillyness to serious people, fun to working people, the fun of work to fun people. Discordianism.
This is also not an insult, but I think your way of thinking is the pre-programmed "hegelian dialectic" way of thinking. The "either light or shadow, order or chaos" way of thought. When in reality, most things are grey or purple
Tell me what you think I should read, and maybe I will. I can greatly recommend Machiavelli's Discorsi on the roman republic. Or maybe some Asimov if you're into fiction. Also "Electric Dreams". For philosophy I can recommend Nietzsche or Derrida. Foucault is also nice if you don't die from boredom.
Ewige Blumenkraft. fnord
fite me u bitch
▶ No.4814>>4817 >>4822
>>4800
When you say 'Fascism' I assume you refer to the modern concept of a violently totalitarian regime being fascist, not classical fascist political theory. No?
Regardless I am with you against unjustified elitism. Many societal models could function well with a ruling more powerful class, but history has taught us that those in power will always seek to gain more. Power is an end in itself. I doubt we will ever achieve a large modern society in which there isn't a trend towards oligarchy.
>Fascism is the beast to be ridden and tamed. Anarchism is the rider
Would you agree that (in a modern western context) democracy is the divine ridden by the beast?
▶ No.4817>>4828 >>4835 >>7229
>>4554 (OP)
Post-Left Anarchist/Egoist ANarchist hybrid.
>>4624
>>4661
based
>>4800
>>4814
there are no justifiable hierachies you mogoloids, hierarchy and justifications are both spooks. You're literally arguing for someone to cuck you on the premise that you believe you won't be cucked. Read Stirner like the other Anon posted.
▶ No.4819>>5791
I don't even know if it has a name, I just call it "shutthefuckupism".
Like, imagine if there's a person you have absolutely no positive or negative opinion towards, but everyone and their dog whines about them to the point where you almost want to just kill that person just so people will stop whining about them. That's an example of shutthefuckupism. You don't kill them out of hatred, not out of a sense of justice, not because you're a bloodthirsty homicidal freak, not for wealth nor fame nor power, but just because you're tired of hearing everyone piss and moan.
Or you notice that there's someone covertly creating more problems for the sole intent of having something to complain about and potentially use as political leverage. The shutthefuckupist's desire would be to stop that person from creating more reasons to whine, but in such a way that avoids creating such reasons (so if they're a famous person, outright killing them would raise a stink and create reasons to whine).
In fact, maybe that's a good way to describe it. Similar to how the utilitarian says "the best action is that which does the greatest amount of good for the greatest amount of people," the shutthefuckupist says "the best action is that which stops the greatest amount of whining in the greatest amount of people, while creating the least amount of new reasons to whine (or better yet, none at all)."
▶ No.4822>>4840
>>4814
>the modern concept of a violently totalitarian regime
Yes and no. Definitely totalitarian, or atleast striving to be. Violent, only if violence can be of mental nature too. (which I think it is) I consider fascism to be a political "technology", like how Umberto Eco described it in "ur-fascism". I'm not too familiar with the works of Evola or other self-professed fascist thinkers, so I can't really speak on classical fascist political theory. To me it's essentially the bundle of sticks, the "fasces" that was carried by lictors in roman times, as a general principle of operation and organization.
>the divine ridden by the beast
Yes yes yes, but not just in democracy and the west, but basically always throughout history, because the beast is here and now, whereas the divine is more a feeling. One might say that democracy or politics in general is the divine being raped by the beast. Only the beast is smart enough to call itself divine, and the divine is innocent enough to not fully disagree. And in democracy the beast whispers sweet nothings into our ears to make us acquiesce.
>I doubt we will ever achieve a modern society in which there isn't a trend towards oligarchy
Me too, but I also doubt that the oligarchs can keep winning forever. I do believe that something is waking up in the common man that knows that it is being played constantly by the powers that be. The Internet is not the fifth estate, in line with the legislative, executive, judicative, and mediative as the controllers would have us believe. Instead, the Internet is shaping up to be the People's estate. A truly anarchic and decentralizing tool that is shaking the foundations of the old powers to its core. Which is why they want to control and censor it. I just hope that, whatever that thing waking up is, that it holds enough sense and self-awareness to not blindly lash out at the wrong people, or fuck, even anyone. In my opinion even the worst oligarchs and war profiteers and kid-fuckers deserve a trial and as much benefit of the doubt as is admissible.
Анархия-мама за нас!
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▶ No.4827
▶ No.4828>>4836 >>7713
>>4817
bruh
By that logic your ego is a spook because it is the ultimate justification for everything you do.
Union of egoists is literally the model for political organization you absolute mongrel. You absolutely one hundred percent need a hierarchy to get anything done. There is no organization without atleast a semblance of hierarchy. Just like your inbred brain is at the top of your body hierarchy to make you misinterpret beautiful Stirner like that.
Or say: can you build a house? a factory? an oven to bake bread? can you do anything other than consider yourself superior because you "know" jUsTiFiCaTiOnS ArE a SpOoK.
Is the ego a spook? Because I'm pretty sure it's the part of you that makes you write stuff like that. Stirner would've wiped the floor with a dogmatist like you.
I can see why you would come here.
Go read "prometheus rising" and get your head out of your ass. The whole universe is hierarchical. Or is "the universe" a spook too? So then existence is a spook? And consciousness too? And love? Love is a justification for many many things.
inb4: >everything's a spook, I just haven't killed myself yet to make everyone else miserable too
▶ No.4831>>4965
▶ No.4833
>>4554 (OP)
>political ideology
<needless infighting, don't count your chicks before they hatch.
Overthrowing the system to secure an existence for the white race. Everything else is bust. Conflict is good when you have the advantage, as of now whites are losing their demographic advantage. Forget collapse, we need the courage to organize. What is the point of the black pill if you never even tried to suffer through to the bitter end? White Revolution is the only white pill for the modern era.
▶ No.4835
>>4817
>here are no justifiable hierachies you mogoloids, hierarchy and justifications are both spooks.
Thank you, you saved me insane amount of time I could spend writing incomprehensible walls of texts while you said it all in 1-2 sentences.
▶ No.4836
>>4828
You lost me after first 3 sentences which are all crap without sense (sorry, not trying to offend you for no reason, it's just my vulgar language), not even going to bother to read further. Especially the last one of the three is laughable (through tears). You lack what is called "basic mutual respect" and practice. There are f.e. some FOSS projects which consist solely on volunteers collectively getting shit done with basic respect/equality. You can have f.e. friends or siblings you treat on same level and you get with them things done. When you have collective interest in getting something done, hierarchy is not predisposition and I believe that's what union of egoists is all about, group of people who accept each others unique/ego in collective effort trying to reach solution/conclusion/get something done, etc. Now you can have some collective projects where you have leader and you may cleverly argue if it is more efficient to have leader in certain cases or not (yes, it's collective project but is it really free anymore?). From philosophical standpoint what is important in this context is amount of power in his hands and if it can spook (corrupt) him - in this context he exploits not just people "under" him but also himself, that's f.e. argument against capitalism from Stirner's perspective if I understood it correctly. From my personal and practical standpoint, I don't really see an issue in having some kind of leader in very specific cases if you decide f.e. "it's good to have leader now for 1 year with this amount of power to get this project done, because it will help us to get it done more efficiently" but only if you reach this conclusion, again, as group of people who are not trying to exploit each other - in other words - you are on same level with basic respect to each other's individuality (union of egoists?). I'm not hardcore Stirnerist so people who are here may very violently disagree with what I just said.
▶ No.4840>>4841 >>4842
>>4822
>Instead, the Internet is shaping up to be the People's estate. A truly anarchic and decentralizing tool that is shaking the foundations of the old powers to its core.
Whilst I completely agree that the Internet has been a tool for destabilisation and dissidence, I am worried that it will eventually evolve into a tool for control of the masses. There is an addiction to media in society, more specifically visual mediums and social media and there are many ways which this content can be manipulated to alter public thought.
Platforms like youtube already actively prioritise and restrict certain types of content and have barred certain concepts from showing up in non-specific searches. This is obvious to us, but it is unlikely for normies to notice this bias unless there is an incursion upon their constructed echo chamber. Such an incursion would come from someone speaking up about politics, but this too is accounted for, as whoever does so will be readily banned and deplatformed for racism/antisemitism/homophobia (political wrong-think). Its depressing to see people dismiss the flavour of the month “classical liberal” as alt-right without consideration; clearly the conditioning is already in effect. Similarly worrying is the effectiveness of reinforcement methods, subconscious influence and subliminal messaging. I think that through a variety of methods corporate overlords will be able insulate and inculcate a vast majority of, say, American citizens.
The internet will stay as a home of anonymised divergent thinking, but so too will it become the strongest weapon of mass indoctrination. Should the percent of the brainwashed population rise too high then I fear that it will be publicly impossible to speak out against the oligarchy. If that many are under their sway then they will be able to come for us. I’m sorry if I seem incoherent, I’m pretty tired.
▶ No.4841
>>4840
Internet is becoming more and more centralized. There were some nice charts comparing internet traffic now and X years before showing this, if I find it I will post it.
▶ No.4842>>4843 >>4845
>>4840
>Whilst I completely agree that the Internet has been a tool for destabilisation and dissidence, I am worried that it will eventually evolve into a tool for control of the masses.
Are you gen Z or something ? The Internet used to be a free space in the 90s and even the early 2000s to a limited extent but the days of the Internet as a means of liberation are gone. It has already been consolidated/monopolized by elites and now serves them very well. The Internet is the greatest friend of the elites they could ever wish for.
>The internet will stay as a home of anonymised divergent thinking,
I applaud you for your effortpost, but honestly, even if you use a VPN/proxy/whatever you are not anonymous. If the police want to know the exact individual behind an "anonymous" post, they can easily get that information. The only way to remain anonymous now is through TOR but even that isn't completely safe as pedos and so on are busted every week despite using it.
Also, I can guarantee most of you faggots use Windows or MacOS, and in that case you have already signed your anonymity away the moment you turned on your computer.
I feel like I'm reading a post from the late 90s or something. Bizarre shit.
▶ No.4843>>4844
>>4842
>Also, I can guarantee most of you faggots use Windows or MacOS, and in that case you have already signed your anonymity away the moment you turned on your computer.
I wouldn't trust my data even with Linux at this point. There is RedHat and some suspicious shit going in the kernel development and even though Linus said there are no NSA (yes he said NSA specifically) backdoors, I wouldn't trust it completely along with systemd and other bullshit. Install OpenBSD or NetBSD if you have to run shit on toaster.
▶ No.4844>>4846
>>4843
BSD is long gone. Because Apple loots it without giving back, intelligence agencies are quite aware of its shit. Then again, BSD has always been the "tips fedora" hipster alternative option anyway, of no value to anyone except server admins and now literal hipsters of the basement dwelling variety.
RedHat was sold to IBM, but RedHat has nothing to do with the kernel. RedHat deals with their own RPM-related enterprise shit and their buyout by IBM will have no impact on Linux whatsoever.
▶ No.4845
>>4842
>I am worried that it will eventually evolve into a tool for absolute control of the masses.
Should have said this instead. The internet will evolve from today's rudder of social thought into, as you say, tomorrow's greatest friend of the elites. I'm just detailing that progression.
>you are not anonymous.
I know. 99% of the people here aren't. But nonetheless the internet will be the best way forward for a lot of organized political dissidence. Sorry if I missed the point with the post, pretty worn out.
▶ No.4846
>>4844
That applies mostly to FreeBSD which is full of corporate crap however OpenBSD is completely different story (not sure about DragonFly/Net). For browsing web, some office type of work it's more than sufficient.
>RedHat has nothing to do with the kernel
Since when is RedHat not contributing to kernel? Am I wrong here? But nonetheless they are the pushing force behind systemd and other bs. + I don't care about IBM they were doing this long time before this.
▶ No.4847
>>4695
so lets destroy all three.
>>4730
for acceleration purposes or unironically? if the latter, a lot of doomers will be homeless.
▶ No.4848
>>4750
Discordians are pretty feminist, anon. gay af.
▶ No.4868
>>4756
uh not really. fascism came from mutualism and syndicalism, so yeah. anarchist ideologies.
▶ No.4869
>>4739
I never liked Nick Land, too utopian (in a sense)
my accelerationism would accelerate to collapse in New Year Zero, not some techno-masturbation fantasty.
▶ No.4879
Through the destruction of our enemies do we earn our salvation. There can be no construction without destruction.
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▶ No.4965>>4974
>>4831
Existance is not a spook, it's actually the only concrete constant. Liberty, happiness, and justice are all spooks, however. And so is equality, for that matter. That's why /leftypol/, despite their idealistic and revolutionary mindsets, are less likely to find their satisfaction than we are. They pine for the unobtainable. At least when we die our suffering finally ends. I hope
▶ No.4974
>>4965
I was referring to a more archaic meaning of the word spook.
That being said, I like your post. The doomer is a truly liberated man, immune to all the carrots that are dangled before him.
▶ No.4986
>>4958
muh capitalism solves everything
gay and retarded like your mum's nigger dick
▶ No.5257>>5258
Paleolibertarian.
Even from a young age I've despised the normalfags and their incessant need to control people, from the middle-age public school teachers to the arbitrary rules and regulations of society at large. The native ambition and spirit of men is repressed, and we are neutered and set to task into servile roles for women and minorities who make up the voting demographic of the modern state. In the current zeitgeist weakness and incompetence is seen as a virtue, while competence and ability is looked upon as oppressive. And things won't change until we reestablish the natural order whereby we have the liberty to own ourselves and our actions, and succeed and fail based upon them.
▶ No.5258>>5259
>>5257
Quit describing 1984 er… current year commrade.
▶ No.5259
>>5258
How did I named after with no name
▶ No.5782
>>4554 (OP)
innawoods seriously, gothic nazbol if chicks show up
▶ No.5784
>>4600
>No matter what ideology you join, people who have nothing in common with you and are opposed to everything you want will also join and attempt to take control of that ideology's community
that means you israeli kike rat
▶ No.5785
>>4635
hell yes! THE SAND NIGGERS HAVE ARRIVED!
▶ No.5786>>10715
>>4680
this dude is still here? you mention those two in every fucking post dude. its a gay forced meme that no one is buying at this point
▶ No.5787>>6131
>>4695
this is literally not wrong though
>>4739
cringe and bluepilled. hello rabbi kurtweil
>>4740
probably this
>>4750
>I don't judge
i do. come closer spineless faggot
>>4645
>>not anarcho monarchism
u wot m8?
▶ No.5788>>6131
>>4765
>Chaos prevails. The reason we are all here, yes?
no. you must be dumb. if chaos reined, orbits, temperatures, and methane levels would be random and everything would die instantly.
please stop posting.
▶ No.5790>>6131 >>7180
>>4800
>Aside from the postmodern "all is relative" argument
this is a jewish abstraction which is not real, its simply a tool of deconstruction. "everything is a spectrum goy la la la"
▶ No.5791
>>4819
sounds like classical liberalism tbh
▶ No.5792>>6131
the only order is heirarchical tribalism, within that always an oligarchy. the problem is multiculturalism, hence why any thinking man has no political solution. empires are collapsing, war is here.
go to woods, tribe up or not, die in collapse or not.
any political discussions or "solutions" are larping. its all so tiresome. let it burn, ive got booze to drink in firelight and marshmallows to roast amidst the screams of strangers.
▶ No.6131
>>5787
Judge what? Others because you're done judging yourself? No hate and all that gay shit but uh, from an etymological standpoint a faggot and a fascist are literally the same. Spineless faggots therefore do not exist. Unless sticks can bend, which I guess they can if they're wet? I'm no scientist tho so I can't say.
>>5788
Dude, you must be dumb if you think chaos is random. Idk what your definition is though. Personally I like the "chaos is undeciffered order" idea. Literally everything is chaos until it is understood. EVERYTHING. There is more we don't understand, than what we do understand. My argument stands. Chaos prevails. Or are you one of those who believe in god-like entities who plan everything a thousand years in advance? Maybe that's just the dialectic in me, but I'm pretty sure The Machine™ is in the control of no single entity, not even itself. Do you believe in a cruel god? Or pure meaninglessness?
>>5790
lol. Technically everything *is* a spectrum, height, taste, intelligence etc. Doesn't mean that there's no objective Truth. Just no capital T-Truth without a subjective observer. Fair enough, it's used as a supression tool, but everything can be inherently used as a tool of supression. The paradox of "all is relative" is that it is inherently self-defeating because for such an "all" to be relative, there has to be an absolute, and absolutes cannot be, by definition, relative. It's pilpul, I know, but it's how the system is built. Everything is abstraction, and undeniably so if you know how to define and argue for it. It sounds like you're one to go "everything is one thing and never another lalala".
>>5792
Meh. Do you mean inherited oligarchy? As in, I'm mister fancy title because my father and his father and his father before him was mister fancy title? Sounds stable, but stagnant. Why not an oligarchy based on personal merit? A rotating oligarchy if you will. Being born rich surely is no feat to be proud of, is it?
What're you waiting for anon to go into the woods and shack up? For everyone else to do it too so you can claim "I told you we should've done that". Collapse is coming yes, but there's still a good way to go. How much time are you estimating? I think it could easily take another decade or so for proper anarchy and lawlessness to break out. Anyhow, I'm a boy scout and know my knots and tools and games. I welcome anarcho-primitivism if it is meant to be. I even know a number of good campfire songs, so if I'm not blasted by the nukes or radiation poisoning or weather changes, I'm pretty set. I will not go gently into that good night, but I will go at ease.
Chaos always prevails you limp-dicked faggot, look at the state of the world and tell me how that is rational or orderly and not a cycle of life and death Chaos is the process of novelty and entropy. Order is its product.
▶ No.6171
Hello, FBI.
I'm a National Socialist.
▶ No.6200>>6201 >>6216
25 points of the NSDAP so people can know what it's actually about
1. We demand the union of all Germany in a Greater Germany on the basis of the right of national self-determination.
2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in its dealings with other nations, and the revocation of the peace treaties of Versailles and Saint-Germain.
3. We demand land and territory (colonies) to feed our people and to settle our surplus population.
4. Only members of the nation may be citizens of the State. Only those of German blood, whatever be their creed, may be members of the nation. Accordingly, no Jew may be a member of the nation.
5. Non-citizens may live in Germany only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens.
6. The right to vote on the State's government and legislation shall be enjoyed by the citizens of the State alone. We demand therefore that all official appointments, of whatever kind, whether in the Reich, in the states or in the smaller localities, shall be held by none but citizens.
We oppose the corrupting parliamentary custom of filling posts merely in accordance with party considerations, and without reference to character or abilities.
7. We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens. If it should prove impossible to feed the entire population, foreign nationals (non-citizens) must be deported from the Reich.
8. All non-German immigration must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who entered Germany after 2 August 1914 shall be required to leave the Reich forthwith.
9. All citizens shall have equal rights and duties.
10. It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the general interest, but must proceed within the framework of the community and be for the general good.
We demand therefore:
11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.
The breaking of the slavery of interest
12. In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.
15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders.
17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.
19. We demand that Roman Law, which serves a materialistic world order, be replaced by a German common law.
20. The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement). The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the nation of the State (through the study of civic affairs). We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.
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>>6200
21. The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers and infants, by prohibiting child labor, by promoting physical strength through legislation providing for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and by the extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of youth.
22. We demand the abolition of the mercenary army and the foundation of a people's army.
23. We demand legal warfare on deliberate political mendacity and its dissemination in the press. To facilitate the creation of a German national press we demand:
(a) that all editors of, and contributors to newspapers appearing in the German language must be members of the nation;
(b) that no non-German newspapers may appear without the express permission of the State. They must not be printed in the German language;
(c) that non-Germans shall be prohibited by law from participating financially in or influencing German newspapers, and that the penalty for contravening such a law shall be the suppression of any such newspaper, and the immediate deportation of the non-Germans involved.
The publishing of papers which are not conducive to the national welfare must be forbidden. We demand the legal prosecution of all those tendencies in art and literature which corrupt our national life, and the suppression of cultural events which violate this demand.
24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations in the State, provided they do not threaten its existence not offend the moral feelings of the German race.
The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not commit itself to any particular denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common interest before self-interest.
25. To put the whole of this programme into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power for the Reich; the unconditional authority of the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of Corporations based on estate and occupation for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the Reich in the various German states.
The leaders of the Party promise to work ruthlessly -- if need be to sacrifice their very lives – to translate this programme into action.
* On April 13, 1928, Adolf Hitler clarified section seventeen in the programme in order to stop political mischaracterizations: "Because of the mendacious interpretations on the part of our opponents of Point 17 of the programme of the NSDAP, the following explanation is necessary.: Since the NSDAP is fundamentally based on the principle of private property, it is obvious that the expression "confiscation without compensation" refers merely to the creation of possible legal means of confiscating when necessary, land illegally acquired, or not administered in accordance with the national welfare. It is therefore directed in the first instance against the Jewish companies which speculate in land.
▶ No.6207
Anarcho-fascism
of course.
▶ No.6216>>6220
>>6200
>>6201
>what neetsoc is actually about
>we demand socialism
>we demand to be cucked by the government
Pretty much what everyone already thought it was about.
▶ No.6220>>6247
>>6216
If that is how you want to interpret it, you are welcome to, I see it as a powerful government which will not allow societal decay.
▶ No.6247>>6248
>>6220
You have good intentions, but good intentions alone are not enough.
>a powerful government
If they are powerful enough to give you whatever you want, then they are power enough to take away everything you have. You're putting the lives of your people and the future of your nation into the hands of some manlet who could fuck everyone over in just a few decisions.
>societal decay
This assumes human beings are scum by default, and if that's the case, then why would you try stop scum from being scum? How can Aryans be the master race, but also wild degenerate animals that need to be put on a leash and disciplined to be obedient bugmen?
▶ No.6248
>>6247
First, may I back up and say that while I have posted the foundation of National Socialism, and find much of it to be quite useful, I am not a NSDAP member first, because I am an American of mixed European lineages and therefore advocating for German supremacy when I am only genetically 25% German and have been raised in American culture would be stupid. I am an American white nationalist who wishes to have a Libertarian, non-interventionist government, but I realize the only way that will work is in a country with a homogenous culture and identity. So, for practical reasons, you need some racialist basis for the transition in order to achieve the ideal which is the original US constitution with only a few of the original ammendments and the rollback of nearly a century of common law rulings and laws which have perverted the character of this country's government and people. Hence, a powerful government or war is required to restore the American Ideal set forth by the founding fathers of this country.
I think the NSDAP is good for Germany, as European society has always flourished under strong, autocratic forms of government and both their culture and identity largely stem from such arrangements. I do not advocate for the American way of life for the rest of the world, only for Americans and other whites who wish to become Americans (prior to the 1965 immigration act, penned by a jew, US immigration had a quota system which required 80% of immigrants be of European origin, this was intended to be a white nation).
Societal decay is the result of the masses being led by those who would do them harm. Prior to the sexual revolution Hollywood[jews] began producing movies glorifying divorce and independent women (see Audrey Hepburn) this, combined with the cultural revolution of the sixties (promoted by marxists and the frankfurt school [jews]) led to an increase in divorce rates by over 10% between 1950 and 1970. The aformentioned immigration act has seen america go from 90%+ white in 1965 to 60% white today. Some humans are scum by default, some are good by default, but the majority are neither and must be lead. The trick is to not let the scum do the leading (dumber people are more easily lead, therefore more nonwhites [I am sure you have seen the IQ distribution graphs] leads to a more easily controlled population).
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▶ No.7140>>7141 >>7163
Something without Jews and niggers. Economics is meh, whatever.
▶ No.7141>>7163
>>7140
I should also add that anarchism is childish utopianism. Ancap and Ancom. You're both fucking retarded.
▶ No.7149>>7173
>>4554 (OP)
I'm a monarchist distributist.
My world died over a century before I was born.
▶ No.7150
>>4554 (OP)
Marxist-Leninist. Capitalist Alienation turned me into a doomer. Wage-Slavery has damned us all!
▶ No.7152
▶ No.7154>>7156 >>7172 >>7278
I kind of shift between being a blackpilled communist influenced by the likes of Blanqui, Jim Profit, Jacques Camatte etc and U/ACC depending on my mood.
▶ No.7156>>7175
>>7154
I can't say I'm not intrigued. What does all of that mean? I'm sort of an accelerationist/superhumanist but I might be dipping my toes into syndicalism for my next project. As you are probably aware Stalin was right in asserting that quantity has qualities all its own- so how would you go about organizing a communist corporation where the bottom line is simply efficiency?
Cute anime btw
▶ No.7163>>7930
>>7141
>>7140
so libertarian paradise in a white ethnostate with protections against monopolies and oligarchies? sign me up famalam.
▶ No.7164>>7171
Esoteric Neo-Barclianite Socialism with Dixieland Characteristics.
▶ No.7170
>>4741
both can co-exist, even a possible third way. technoprimitivsm, which I'm trying to research now.
▶ No.7171
▶ No.7172
>>7154
hey Forrest. I know its you.
I forgot about Camatte. he felt the only way to escape capitalism was to go innawoods
▶ No.7173
>>7149
decent belief, but the Collapse Cult will have to happen first before its established.
▶ No.7174
btw on /monarchy/ I saw someone make apologetics for Wilhelm II. trying to figure that one out.
▶ No.7175>>7181
>>7156
follow me and I will tell you
▶ No.7180
>>5790
the only thing that is relative is AoC and rape laws.
▶ No.7181>>7184 >>7278
>>7175
O-okay l-lets head to your van then, is the candy free? D-do we own the means of production for the candy? Or maybe peer collaboration in an R/ACC framework will lead to decentralized production of the candy and we as candyvaners will somehow operate without regard to the capitalist system enveloping us? Will we drive from candyblock to candyblock distributing FOSS and manifestos? Follow you where, sweetie?
▶ No.7184>>7223 >>7278
>>7181
>cosplaying as an FBI agent.
yeah I'm cool. go find your answer somewhere else.
▶ No.7190
>>4574
at this stage in the United States, its no longer possible or plausible. something more extreme must come forth
▶ No.7223>>7240
>>7184
Mhmhm you never did have an answer doomer dork
▶ No.7229>>7230 >>7240
>>4817
Human beings couldn't stop forming hierarchies if they wanted to. Even in ancom antifa cells there is a pecking order. They just pretend there isn't but its fucking obvious who's in charge. You can call it a spook until your vocal chords break but its the reality of the situation or. .you might say. .the material conditions.
▶ No.7230
>>7229
Agree until fear of death won't become a thing of a past. Existentialists described it partly well. If you have nothing left and you are not afraid to die anymore, the hierarchy of group is just pointless. Same in situation when you have technology advanced enough to remove any fear of death Hierarchies are useful in survival because the fittest know a way out and thus hierarchy should be equivalent of stability. Humans drag this stuff into jobs, projects and whatnot but the core issue is our animal instinct - to survive.
▶ No.7235>>7238
>>4554 (OP)
National Transhumanism
▶ No.7236
>>4619
Go away. This a man's board. I know who you are tripfag
▶ No.7238>>7373
▶ No.7240>>7241 >>7253 >>7278 >>8159
>>7223
I'm 36. I don't give answers to plebians. Know your place on the pecking order, faggot. If you read the thread you know I'm Ungern +Pol Pot. A Chayanovian
>>7229
Obviously. Kojeve and Hegel knew this.
▶ No.7241
>>7240
And besides >gay pedos. Yeah I'm cool.
▶ No.7249
The Alt-Right/Nazis/Fascists want to take my porn and games.
Everyone else wants to kill me.
They're all equally bad.
▶ No.7253>>7278
>>7240
You couldn't formulate a c-m-c/m-c-m style positive feedback cycle let alone mathematically optimize it, something sunbaenim would surely struggle to reconcile with his oh so patrician self image… no wonder he's so blackpilled about everything, I just can't decide if he's long in the tooth or simply toothless~
▶ No.7271
Hard to say. I guess my two biggest things are avoiding hypocrisy and knowing the power of rhetoric. I can't decide whether I'm some kind of Centrist Libertarian with some Nationalist, Confederate, and Localist sympathies or if I'm just a distributionist who really hates people, rich or poor, who take advantage of the system and overall wants people to go their own way in life.
I have a lot of conflicting opinions on abortion for example and have literally zero opinion on circumcision. I'm fine with people who believe in my body my choice but I'll bring up the father's right to have a say in the operation. I'm fine with people who are against abortion and I agree with them in spirit, but practically it cuts down on the amount of possible minorities a lot. I'll automatically hate any woman who simultaneously believes in my body my choice for abortion but also wants to get their unconsenting nephews dick cut acting like she's fulfilling a service for all womankind.
I think a lot of people today are caught up with how much liberals pander against cis white men and automatically head straight into Nationalism or Libertarianism without thinking of just how far right these groups are and how hard they're making their own lives for the sake of conservative instead of liberal rhetoric. Both taxes, land, and labour are how greedy jews nickle and dime the common man from making their own way in life.
▶ No.7274>>7275 >>7286
I'm an anti-revisionist tankie. Anything short of Stalinism is cucked and blue-pilled.
▶ No.7275>>7276
>>7274
What about niggers and jews?
▶ No.7276>>7280 >>7284
>>7275
Take your stormfag shit back to your shithole board. Nobody wants to hear you faggots rant about minorities.
▶ No.7278
>>7253
These posts >>7240 >>7175 >>7184 aren't me btw, >>7154 here. Though the part in the pic you posted about needing a anime girl to crush my cock does describe me uwu As for your question I feel like the latter here >>7181 might be more likely path to communism given our material conditions in the present but honestly I am not too good with math so the minute so I am not sure if I could give you that much of a better answer than J Barg here. I am pretty pessimistic about the prospects of "revolution" hence the blackpilled communist description.
▶ No.7280>>7282
>>7276
Whites are minorities. I mean its a global world now, right? So whites are an extreme minority.
▶ No.7282>>8161
>>7280
So? Literally every race is a minority when you compare their numbers with every other race combined. As if it even fucking matters anyway.
▶ No.7284>>7291
>>7276
> Nobody wants to hear you faggots rant about minorities.
Nobody wants to hear rants about Soviet history either.
▶ No.7286>>7291
>>7274
eh he fucked up once with Alexander Chayanov
▶ No.7291>>7293 >>7294 >>7338
>>7284
I'm not ranting about Soviet history. You're the ones who feel the need to inject your stormfag bullshit into everything.
>>7286
Stalin didn't have time to fuck around with the kulaks and their bullshit. He needed the surplus food to industrialize the country as fast as possible to defend the USSR from external threats, namely the Nazis. Since he was executed in 1937, it was probably Yezhov who ordered it, not Stalin. Yezhov was a criminal who was actively attempting to undermine the Soviet government by misusing the NKVD and hiding his activities from Stalin and the Politburo. He was ultimately found out and executed for his crimes.
▶ No.7293>>7339 >>7348
>>7291
I like Stalinism way more than the globohomo Trotsky, but no one wants to hear from communist weirdos.
▶ No.7294>>7348
>>7291
>You're the ones who feel the need to inject your stormfag bullshit into everything.
Different anon here, comrade. But you're welcome to your false dichotomies.
>it was probably Yezhov who ordered it, not Stalin. Yezhov was a criminal who was actively attempting to undermine the Soviet government by misusing the NKVD and hiding his activities from Stalin and the Politburo. He was ultimately found out and executed for his crimes.
This is the shit I'm talking about. Thanks for confirming the stereotype.
▶ No.7338>>7348
>>7291
Stalin was too high industry and not into peasant farming. He didn't like collapse cults. That's why I prefer Pol Pot. Only criticism of Pol Pot I could give was his use of child soldiers. At least get some rambos like Catechan Jungle Fighters.
▶ No.7339
>>7293
Trotsky is basically the anti-Trump republicans party line at this point
▶ No.7348>>7355 >>7388
>>7293
Nobody wants to hear from right-wing dumbfucks either.
>>7294
>Different anon here, comrade. But you're welcome to your false dichotomies.
Didn't realize that. There are so many stormfags here it's hard to tell who's who.
>This is the shit I'm talking about. Thanks for confirming the stereotype.
What shit? Historical facts? It's been proven that the Great Purge occurred at the local party level and the excesses resulted from inept local leaders and Yezhov's abuse of authority. Do you really think Stalin personally ordered every single arrest? There were undoubtedly corrupt officials and saboteurs who needed to be dealt with, but Yezhov fucked things up to undermine Stalin's government but was eventually found out and purged for his misdeeds. Look into J. Arch Getty instead of the MI6 propagandist Robert Conquest.
>>7338
>Stalin was too high industry and not into peasant farming.
How was he "too high industry?" Marxism-Leninism is about developing a nation into a socialist society and eventually into a communist one. What was he supposed to do, let the kulaks farm their shitty plots with horse-drawn plows while the enemies of the Soviet Union were using tractors and combines? Stalin had to industrialize to defend the USSR from its enemies, the Nazis being the most obvious example.
>He didn't like collapse cults.
Is this supposed to be a bad thing? Communism is about building the society of the future, not regressing into Luddism.
>That's why I prefer Pol Pot.
You mean the "communist" who was backed by the CIA, slaughtered his own people and set his country back decades in development until finally being deposed by Vietnamese forces?
>Only criticism of Pol Pot I could give was his use of child soldiers. At least get some rambos like Catechan Jungle Fighters.
There are plenty of criticisms to make of that maniac. His obsession with creating a shitty backward agrarian society set his country back countless decades. Marxism-Leninism stresses the importance of economic development and industrialization, that's the whole point of the ideology. Pol Pot just killed innocent people and destroyed his country's chance of developing and reaching a higher standard of living.
▶ No.7355>>7357 >>7364
>>7348
>What shit? Historical facts? It's been proven that the Great Purge occurred at the local party level and the excesses resulted from inept local leaders and Yezhov's abuse of authority. Do you really think Stalin personally ordered every single arrest? There were undoubtedly corrupt officials and saboteurs who needed to be dealt with, but Yezhov fucked things up to undermine Stalin's government but was eventually found out and purged for his misdeeds. Look into J. Arch Getty instead of the MI6 propagandist Robert Conquest.
You're missing the point, fam. You guys are so overeager to defend Stalin that you feel an autistic compulsion to bring him up whether anyone wants to hear it or not. Just because you have a strong opinion on Stalin, doesn't mean everyone has to care about it.
▶ No.7357>>7360
>>7355
He only brought it up because someone was specifically trying to debate him on it. So I don't know how you can really blame him for that.
▶ No.7360>>7362
>>7357
I'm not talking about this thread, but in general. I was making the case that M-Ls have a tendency to rant about the minutiae of Soviet History that almost equals /pol/'s enthusiasm in ranting about the Jews. I used to know quite a few tankies IRL, and that was the stereotype about them in the broader leftist community.
▶ No.7362>>7364
>>7360
Well yeah, I am the other commieanon here so I am aware of that, not sure if I can get on them for it though being an assburger myself who is prone to obsessive behavior. Was just saying in this case I don't think the tankie anon was really doing anything wrong since he was just addressing J Barg. Also in the context of imageboards stormfags still greatly outnumber any kind of leftist so you're still more likely to see the rants about niggers and jews than soviet history, I'd also say there is more merit in being knowledgeable about history as well but that's just me.
▶ No.7364
>>7355
>You're missing the point, fam. You guys are so overeager to defend Stalin that you feel an autistic compulsion to bring him up whether anyone wants to hear it or not. Just because you have a strong opinion on Stalin, doesn't mean everyone has to care about it.
In this case I was just defending my views against someone challenging them, but I kind of get your point. I just have an obsession with the Soviet Union and Stalin in particular. I feel compelled to defend Stalin and the Soviet Union from misconceptions and biased information.
>>7362
>being an assburger myself who is prone to obsessive behavior.
Are you me? I have OCD so I know for sure why I have an obsessive personality. I just love everything about the Soviet Union and I enjoy studying Soviet history a lot. It's one of the few things that gives me genuine pleasure and enjoyment these days. I watch hours of movies and documentaries and read extensively about every obscure part of Soviet history I can. I especially have an obsession with Stalin and the Stalin period. I feel like I use this obsession to distract myself from my lack of a gf. I haven't had an intimate relationship in over 4 years and it's really been driving me insane lately. Every time I think about it I start feeling sad and empty so I use my passion for Soviet history to take my mind off of it. I don't know how long it will be until I find this intimacy, but I don't expect to find it anytime in the near future.
▶ No.7369>>7370 >>7377
It's a shame /doomer/ has open borders. We can't even sulk without the communists ruining it.
▶ No.7370>>7387 >>8163
>>7369
>implying communists aren't massive sulkers
Also where else do we have to go with the normalfag mods on /leftypol/ and /leftpol/ banning us all the time
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▶ No.7377>>8164
>>7369
>boo hoo not everyone is a braindead right-wing faggot like me
Fuck off
▶ No.7378>>7379 >>7380 >>10577
I'd say I'm some sort of libertarian anti-capitalist. I like the thought of there being true freedom(from all institutions and hierarchies) and I think the capitalist system is genuinely disgusting and a large source of my depression and pessimism, but I don't really know if I'm a socialist or a communist because I think both are idealistic. While I'd certainly love to follow them, I think they have some flaws and I don't think how they've been adapted has done the ideology justice as authoritarianism is not compatible with my belief of human autonomy.
My main cares in life are about community(this includes the environment), freedom(both personal and existential(in this case meaning that you are able to pursue your own choices without restrictions unless it violates another persons boundary; ie harming someone), and the ability to indulge in life's pleasures.
However, since most people are consumerist normalfag braindeads, none of this will be achieved in my lifetime. So I sit back and try to indulge in life's pleasures while feeling complete and utter dread. Escapism tends to help, but not enough.
▶ No.7379>>7386 >>7402
>>7378
The state always wins, anything to the contrary is idealism.
Left-wing/right wing-government: *does stuff*
Ancoms: "fascism is when the government does stuff."
Ancaps: "communism is when the government does stuff."
See your conundrum?
▶ No.7380>>7402
>>7378
>However, since most people are consumerist normalfag braindeads, none of this will be achieved in my lifetime. So I sit back and try to indulge in life's pleasures while feeling complete and utter dread. Escapism tends to help, but not enough.
So, in other words, you have exactly what you want (personal antonymy, largely unrestricted hedonism etc.) and your still miserable? Why?
▶ No.7386
>>7379
maybe so, that's probably while Nazbol triggers everyone.
▶ No.7387
>>7370
same thing happens to me. oversocialized losers.
▶ No.7388
>>7348
>You mean the "communist" who was backed by the CIA, slaughtered his own people and set his country back decades in development until finally being deposed by Vietnamese forces?
the Vietcong had petit bourgeois supporters in the states in the student union movement.
and >implying
the western world isn't gonna go in that direction after capitalism falls to shit.
▶ No.7389
I can attest to you also comrade, the local campuses are full of SJWs born with a silver spoon in their mouths. to an extent, so were the hippies, children of privilege. the rest of the country was forced into the barracks.
proving Year Zero correct once again. he may have failed when he lived, but that doesn't mean you can kill ideas, comrade.
▶ No.7394>>7396
one more thing, Stalin, while great, did fuck up once with Alexander Chayanov. I'm not defending Kulaks here, I'm defending the idea that peasants are some of the most important members of the working class. industries can make all sorts of technology. but no peasants = no food. and we die.
▶ No.7396
>>7394
also see lysenkoism
▶ No.7402
>>7380
It isn't that simple.
We don't exclusively exist in our own bubbles. While on a intrapersonal level, I may have found my path, however, many of our interactions are based on interpersonal experiences, so being an outcast isn't always peaches and cream. This is the virtue of community, I think the existence of a society should be to both to protect the community and nurture the individual. However under hyperconsumerism and increasing divisiveness, these have both been deteriorating. People and communities are now nothing more than a commodity to be sold to the LCD.
>>7379
I don't think the state shouldn't exist, but it should only exist to protect its citizens.
▶ No.7542>>7543
Just gonna dump some quotes here.
▶ No.7545
>>7543
That concludes my dump.
▶ No.7583>>7603
>>7582
The Berlin-Moscow axis could have been revived.
▶ No.7594>>7603
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>7582
Shame Degrelle is often overlooked even among today's "fascists"
▶ No.7603
>>7583
Yeah that would have been great
>>7594
That's because people see him as Hitler's beta bitch and because "hurdur he's a christcuck" f off, most fascist movements were Christian, deal with it
▶ No.7607>>7611
ideology is for LARPing faggots - we are not the generation that will establish any proper government post-collapse/revolution, we may never even witness any true collapse in our lifetimes, in which case our only job is to accelerate it.
plus there's only so many *actually* 'woke/pilled' people in the world, so dividing and weakening ourselves along ultimately arbitrary lines is pointless, especially when we all have a common enemy in the current neolib/necon ruling class.
▶ No.7610>>7612 >>7838
the only true political position is the Just Shoot Everyone I Don't Like party
the manifesto is if you are someone I like you get a gun to shoot people I don't like with
▶ No.7611
>>7607
I mostly agree with this sentiment, but third position seems to be the most promising in the face of the worlds most frequent problems. The part I agree with is the zealous of both sides must cooperate to oust the globalist oligarchs at all costs. They are the greatest existential threat to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness this world has ever seen.
▶ No.7612>>7713
>>7610
That is every political revolution in a nutshell.
▶ No.7713>>7753 >>7760 >>7777 >>8027
>>4828
>By that logic your ego is a spook because it is the ultimate justification for everything you do
Justification is a spook because you hold yourself to the external standard that you need a standard before you can justify your actions, you don't. If you want to do something you can just do it. You don't need to justify yourself.
>Union of egoists is literally the model for political organization you absolute mongrel
Not in this society, what are you smoking?
>You absolutely one hundred percent need a hierarchy to get anything done. There is no organization without atleast a semblance of hierarchy
Maybe in your limited mind but no, you can get things done without hierarchy. If you're talking about collective action that can be progressed another way, such as direct democracy, but it doesn't require a hierarchy.
>The whole universe is hierarchical
Holy shit spooked
>to make you misinterpret beautiful Stirner like that
Oh christ its another /pol/tard misinterprets Stirner episode. Read this: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/stirner-the-wise-guy
>>7612
insurrection > revolution
▶ No.7753>>7777
>>7713
Well Stirner wasn't without faults. People act like he's the be all end all but he's not
▶ No.7760
>>7713
do you mean insurrection→revolution? or that insurrection is better than revolution? Insurrection is the initial stage of a revolution.
▶ No.7777>>7806 >>8027
>>7713
>>7753
Stirner is just Ayn Rand for lefties.
Stirner's philosophy is that of a self-conscious little nerd who has convinced himself that he isn't one and talks tough all the time. Or that of a poorfag who has read too many "get rich quick" books and is deeply mired in a dozen shady MLM schemes. It's the same with ancap idiots.
▶ No.7798
>>4632
>This is all typical /leftypol/ bullshit sans the autism.
but it actually works, esp. for poor doomers like I am
▶ No.7806>>7887
>>7777
nice quads but neigh on namefagging.
the issue I have with Stirnerites, except weird post-left reaction types on FB, the ones on leftpol are all progressive libs and crap. can't jive with that shit at all.
▶ No.7837>>7862 >>7930
unironically at this point.
▶ No.7838
>>7610
that would just be me killing all urbanites in my own country and then just nuking everyone but the U.S. I simply just don't care anymore, and then colonize places with radiation (which will be everywhere) with urbanites that survived.
▶ No.7862>>7908
>>7837
Would you mind explaining?
I never really got into Pol Pot, but from all I know wasn't he just starving the entire country?
▶ No.7887>>7908
>>7806
Ahh, just like ancaps are just basic bitch republicans trying to sound edgy.
No successful capitalist was a ancap. No Randian has an intimate familiarity with the irregular and contradictory nature of capitalism. And not a single one of them understands that capitalism cannot be reduced to an ethicall system. Besides, systems are gay anyway.
No anarchist insurrection was launched by a "union of egoists" or anything close to it. The track record for individuals who were not beholden to a hierarchy is even worse. Outlaws, mystics, and vagabonds throughout history have all been motivated by transcendent ideals that Stirner would have derided as mere spooks. Yet,they were a lot freer than your average DSA member dabbling in his ideas, not to mention more appealing.
Both philosophies exist for people who are temperamentally incapable of having any skin in the game.
▶ No.7908>>7930
>>7887
I like Bakunin myself he had the best ideas
>>7862
He felt the best way for the lower classes to seize the means of production was simply by destroying the upper classes (mostly city folks) by torture and the finally genocide once he got "his"
▶ No.7930
>>7908
>>7837
So bring new york to arkansas for execution? Here's my post on the matter of rebelution. image here >>7163
▶ No.7942>>8029
>>4750
>that screencap
Explain why I cringe when I see a shitty movie?
▶ No.7979
What do you guys think of eternal return/reincarnation? A lot of Western and Eastern philosophy either believe we will be reborn as ourselves and are doomed to the same life again or again, or we're reborn as another person. If reincarnation is true I'm hoping it's the latter and not the former. If I'm doomed to live my life on repeat, I may as well kill myself now before my life gets even worse.
▶ No.7988
>>7983
>cleaning room
>doing the woman's job
fucking mgtow strikes again
▶ No.8027
>>7713
>you don't need to justify yourself
But you do so anyways because you have needs. Hunger is justification for eating. Tiredness, rythm etc, are justifications for sleep. Doomerism and autism are justifications for coming onto this place. Literally even "because I just feel like it" is a justification. You don't need to artificially justify yourself because you justify yourself naturally, through being.
>what are you smoking?
Kali in one form or another. Eris if you're feeling silly.
Union if egoists isn't the model of our society, clearly. It's a model which afaik hasn't been put into use on a grand scale. What are you smoking?
>you can get things done without hierarchy
Not without discussion, where you would need a hierarchy of ideas, speaking order, order of competences and responsibilities etc.
>The whole universe is hierarchical
It just is. Unless you're a fervent solipsist you have to admit that there are forces greater than you, forces beyond you. Or tell me, do you not need to adhere to say gravity or space-time just because "nah fuck that, physics are a spook"? If you don't need to adhere to such concepts do me a favour and manifest yourself into my bathroom with a bag full of cash. Or would you need a hierarchy of points to go through and things to do to accomplish that? And if that is impossible, is it impossible because of a say hierarchy of personal feelings which would make you either incapable or unwilling to do what I asked?
>another /pol/tard
Meh. I'm probably really not right-wing in the slightest. Like I said, mutualist, an-syndicalist. Also I'm not a stirnerite, atleast not more than a marxist or an edgelord.
>>7777
>true anarchist
>tripcode
>Anonymität ist die Maske der Täter.
Life is a mlm scheme. It just depends what scheme you prefer.
▶ No.8029>>8032 >>8129
>>7942
why I posted it. I was one of those fedorafags who watched godfather I and II at 13 and totally understood it and rewatched it fuckknows how often cuz I'm not like other 13-year olds
And then the reality hit me that everyone thinks they're genuinely unlike everyone else and that even thinking that is about as unoriginal as it comes.
I'm glad I gave up on the capeman shit around the third iron man. Way too late I know.
Are you one of those patricianfags who only watch obscure noir detective czech films from the 60s because "only Kaszgumkanskinitiski really understands the importance of lighting and angle"?
Are you the type that is into Riefe- , nvm germanon don't incriminate yourself.
SPD gut ja. Grüne gut ja. CDU ok ja. Merkel perfekt ja. AFD nazis ja.
>that screencap
Spooked me the fuck out and I don't even watch anime.
▶ No.8032
>>8029
here are more screencaps you may enjoy
▶ No.8087
The problem though BO, is it ok if I rape and eat the parents?
▶ No.8129>>8162 >>10722
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>8029
>why I posted it. I was one of those fedorafags who watched godfather I and II at 13 and totally understood it and rewatched it fuckknows how often cuz I'm not like other 13-year olds
Well, I only watched Godfather I + II 2 years ago when I was 16
>And then the reality hit me that everyone thinks they're genuinely unlike everyone else and that even thinking that is about as unoriginal as it comes.
Well this is true, I had the same outlook on live when I was 12-14 years old. It never really passed, I still think like that, not as hard as you, thinking that watching a mainstream film is special, but being 'different', whether the positive or negative kind.
>I'm glad I gave up on the capeman shit around the third iron man. Way too late I know.
I really didn't watch capeshit when it came out, the only capeshit I watched in the theaters was some Avengers/Transformers/Spiderman/other run of the mill capeshit stuff because being invited multiple times yadayadayada, you know it.
Wasn't that bad, I didn't enjoy the movies, I enjoyed the company of the friends with whom I watched it.
>Are you one of those patricianfags who only watch obscure noir detective czech films from the 60s because "only Kaszgumkanskinitiski really understands the importance of lighting and angle"?
Not really, I did watch some Soviet films like Stalker or White sun of the desert, but did I fell something special in my body, some kind of flush, tears in my eyes? No. But the beginning of Stalker and the ending wsofd, both were memorable.
>Are you the type that is into Riefe- , nvm germanon don't incriminate yourself.
I really don't know what or who that is.
>SPD gut ja. Grüne gut ja. CDU ok ja. Merkel perfekt ja. AFD nazis ja.
Sadly the AFD isn't actually Nazi.
>Spooked me the fuck out and I don't even watch anime.
After thinking some time about the screencap, I do finally get the point.
To believe that the person writting out those devilish plans is not some LARPer is a little bit gullible, yet the person 'knows' about stuff I already know about.
For instance, the part about trying to overwrite the people with those useless fake memories. Yes, but the problem is that most people can distinguish between fiction in reality, the only thing what it may do is desensitize people.
Yes, that is important, to desensitize people. I can look at gore nowadays and not be disgusted, at maggots filling a wound and spreading around. But one thing I am disgusted at, which is interracial relationships and homosexual relationships.
Did you ever see an ad where some homosexual or interracial couple was shoehorned in while having nothing to do with the product the ad sells?
It is always a white girl and a black guys, isn't it? Now they push white guys and black girls, don't they? Isn't this strange? They also always spam this combination all over the internet and imageboards. They try to force memes and pay twitter and instagram accounts to force those very memes. It is unnatural, look at the data, why should they have that combination, the biggest interracial combination is hispanics and white people, in the US. They push the same stuff here, don't they. The very same people. Black guy and white girl, yet the largest 'interracial' combination here is Turk and German. Of the 18 million marriages in Germany only 2 million is atleast one member's bloodline under 3 generations in Germany. From that 2 million 19% is German females with male Turks and 14% is German males with female Turks, closely followed by Italians and Austrians typisch Habsburger oida etc.
So the largest 'interracial' marriage in Germany for that matter is Turkish-German, yet we don't see this in media that often, it is more likely to see a black guy and a white women.
Strange.
▶ No.8159>>8877
>>7240
>If you read the thread you know I'm Ungern +Pol Pot.
>anonymous message board
some people are just too dumb for the internet
▶ No.8161
>>7282
no. thats not what happens.
▶ No.8162>>8273
>>8129
>because being invited multiple times
Yeah my friends are still really into that stuff and I only go to be with them cuz they're the ones I enjoy, not the movies. Imo capeshit stuff is aesthetically garbage, no matter "ehrmaged so much like the comics" it is. It's just ugly to me, and the morals and storytelling are so shallow it's revolting.
>I really don't know what that is
Riefenstahl. The Gleichschaltung is stronger in Krautland than I thought.
>the AFD isn't actually Nazi
du traust dich was, pls use no-dox-hax fren
>is not some LARPer
I agree, it is gullible. But it just vibes hard with personal experience of the "what is reality" type. And considering the chans quasi-anonymous nature, I'd think that there would be no other place, other than voat mb, to talk freely about stuff like that. (self-suicide and all that)
I don't think that it's only about desensitizing and normalizing tho. I think it's mostly about (apathetizing?) making people apathetic and complacent. Ready and willing for some saviour to come and make things right. In biblical terms I think they're making people ready for the "anti-christ". I'm not too heavy into the miscegenation aspects when it comes to the racemixing they're pushing even though genetically I'm aryan af but I can believe the iq-aspects are a big goal of these meme-campaigns. And of course the fact that our fellow white people are always at the forefront of that cultural engineering stuff, whether it's in the production, script-writing, editorials defending that stuff, is just getting funnier and funnier, considering how some of my chosen friends are getting more and more woke, and resistance against that "nepotism for me, bureaucracy for thee"modus operandi is increasing hard amongst themselves. Could be pilpul or what's it called but I genuinely believe they see themselves first as Dirndlfritzis and only second as part of (((them))), and I believe even more that they themselves genuinely believe it. You have no idea how these people identify with the Habsburgers and the like, even more than "actual" huwhite austrians. mb taquiyya but I'm eligible for dual-citizenship thanks to Nürnberg so I don't see why they'd be lying to me, especially since I'm jewish-er than some of the most outspoken ones I know
>more likely to see a black guy and a white woman. Strange.
It seems they've really given up on hiding it, probably because the cognitive dissonance strategy has been implemented successfully. I fear for the future, but thinking about the opportunities there will be if we're not blasted to shit gets me hard. I'm just wondering what the two main sides will be, and hope it won't be stateist-corporatist-neolibcons-"free to do as we tell you" versus "muh evilest nazi-bolshevik-anarcho-fascists fighting against liberty and prosperity thus deserving of nukes".
People are waking up. Question is, what are they waking up to? More sleep? If it happens in our life-span I hope I'm with the people on this board, even if I'm anarchist, even if we would be the most underdoggestest of underdogs, even if we're all retarded larpers. For the bible says "the neets and the autists shall inherit this earth" and that's as good a promise to me as "liberty or death".
Oh lord, the times we live in. Truly an age for gods and heroes.
Also really nice song.
▶ No.8163
>>7370
>Also where else do we have to go?
there's always suicide, or you know, any fucking board other than this one
▶ No.8164
>>7377
bernie lost dummy. kys
▶ No.8273
>>8162
>It's just ugly to me, and the morals and storytelling are so shallow it's revolting.
True, it is just a useful tool to socialize.
>Riefenstahl.
Thanks, will look into her works.
>The Gleichschaltung is stronger in Krautland than I thought.
They had 80 years time, yet the results are, kinda, lacking, to be quiet honest.
>It seems they've really given up on hiding it
Hiding their current behaviors was never their preference, for 2000 years it was to make the host country forget their past 'deeds'.
>I fear for the future
You shall not, the normalfag, has many names, had many forms in history, but one thing they all had in common:
Trying to preserve the status quo. Normalfags not only want safety (shelter, food, water, protection from the local law enforcement©) but also want their, let's call them 'entertainment needs' sated.
Bread and circuses, you probably heard that before, right?
But what if the status quo, what if the current dominating system can't assure to pay those needs?
It gets replaced.
Politics is a spectator sports, the normalfags will join the side that is currently winning.
>I'm just wondering what the two main sides will be
Same as always, the geopolitical situations didn't change, the cold war isn't over, maybe on paper, but in real life?
It is the same person playing with both their hands, giggling like a little girl.
>If it happens in our life-span I hope I'm with the people on this board, even if I'm anarchist, even if we would be the most underdoggestest of underdogs, even if we're all retarded larpers.
Interesting subject. The war must come, what Rensburg has seen must become truth.
Or else.
Frog something something boiling water.
>Oh lord, the times we live in. Truly an age for gods and heroes.
Be thankful to be born in harsh times, for when the songs are sung about you, fren.
Take your soma citizen :^)
Btw, if I sparked some interest into the Seer van Rensburg/3 day darkness rabbithole, acquire your information in written form, do not trust new age YouToob vids
Also don't trust Irlmaier, instead inform yourself about Operation Highjump, again no youpoop vids
For a truly free body and mind, isn't that what we want?
▶ No.8316>>8873
Humanity overrate itself, but above of all they overrate it's own existence as species. What difference does it make the system, there's no such thing as a perfect system because ANY of then requires cooperation of the majority of the people, and that simply can't happen. Things like fascism, communism, socialism, libertarianism, they are all dumb shit that supposes people want to cooperate and love each other, when this gay shit is simply not truth, people are not programed to feel compassion with amorphous and nameless groups of people, we stopped evolution as animals when we were tribals, and because of this we keep tribal. A normal person will sacrifice thenselves for their family, a good person will sacrifice thenselves for their parents and friends, a great person would do it for his nation, but only an anomalous fool look at the entire demographic of humanity and think this is worth saving. Humanity have no face, no personality, it is just a gathering of people to wich most you can't even comunicate wich, and their personaty and culture probably makes you angry. I would give half my liver, a lung, and kidney to my brother, but I wouldn't give 5 bucks to a hobbo on the street, and I can say with not a shadow of doubt that most people are like me.
From all the systems, I do think democracy is the less retarded. Because is the only one that rightfully assumes that people WILL disagree. People WILL NOT cooperate. They will divide thenselves in groups and make an eternal tug of war on how society or the state should work, and democracy gives the right tools so that conflict can happen without civil unrest, without anybody losing their heads, allowing change of administration and administrative ideals without revolution and bloodshed. As a system, democracy is the only one that barely works, because is the only one that don't seen written by a fucking kid, that can't stay on a room with his sister without one trying to beat each other, but somehow thinks an entire nation can understand and love thenselves.
But that is only my rational mind speaking, from obversation of facts and logic. Deep down in my heart I just want shit to burn in flames and humanity to perish, so nature can revitalize itself and the world go back to be beautiful. And God, if he ever existed, this time he should not be lazy and wipe out all the members of an species in the moment one of it's members start to beat rocks together and make a tool out of it.
▶ No.8834>>8838 >>8855
So can I get a quick rundown on why is antifa a problem in USA? I've seen recently plenty of videos of car meets in cali and it seems as these guys are already better organized than any antifa group there. When cops show up, they block the roads so the car who did burnout or some shit can get extra time to escape, they throw shit at cops, even fireworks, totally based. Never seen antifa in US on videos do something extra against muh police force, not even blocking them or anything. How is it possible that few white guys with beaners have bigger balls than antifa but the antifa is the scarecrow of political right?
▶ No.8838>>8871
>>8834
>why is antifa a problem in USA
Antifa, both the US and European version, is heavily funded by Soros and friends. This also ensures them media support since those people own much of the media.
Antifa is mainly a problem for opticucks, since those do not understand why Antifa can light their car on fire and be called a hero while a white guy gets dragged through a murder trial for driving close to a woman having a heart attack.
▶ No.8855
>>8834
because the antifa are only at riots to avoid being shuffled down the ponzi, boredom and to justify cringe aesthetics. only people weak or dull enough to be tricked or forced by institutions into trading their future for lies can join their ranks. this leads to sunken chest performance levels. problem is that these people are completely dependent on the systems that got them there. the poeple recording the event where never going to call them pathetic anyway.
those car meet bois just there for thrill an know they can get away
watch a few china uncensored vidoes on yt
▶ No.8859
>>7951
<reading through this thread I'm realizing this board is full of mentally ill people
These folks are not mentally ill. At least most of them aren't. Theyre emotionally ill. But then again, the mind is surprisingly fragile.
If anyhting I've learned, white men seem to have divine adoration for tragedy and conflict.
>"Hard times create heroes, good times makes cowards."
>" Kids need bullying to toughen up"
>" A free woman is a dangerous woman."
> "Youths with no rebellious streak are sheeple."
White Protestants love to attribute any natural, economic, industrial or social disaster to God's wrath.
They are the biggest prudes, yet praise veterans for worldiness and scorn square men.
For them, hell is a perfect utopia where people need nor want for anything: family, money, marriage, sex, ethnic tribalism, drugs; where theres no hidden agenda to drive people apart.
They are natural edgelords. Sometimes when they crack roasting jokes, I wonder if they're dropping hints of their true colors or just being jovial.
And contrary to popular belief, alot of these edgelords/trolls have long since graduated high school.
▶ No.8871
>>8838
>Antifa, both the US and European version, is heavily funded by Soros and friends. This also ensures them media support since those people own much of the media.
No it's not and no it doesn't.
I haven't seen any actually positive news coverage of antifa in the US. Nazis get negative coverage because they're Nazis. That and they'll periodically still stab/shoot random people in America, and they do it more often than antifa… who mostly just brawl. It's only when antifa guys directly attack high-profile Nazis that anyone in media sympathizes - the mainstream media here did not depict the car burning or bank window crashing or garbage can flipping as positive acts, as cool as those things all were.
The actual problem with antifa in America is how much of the action is just random groups of leftists in leftist-heavy towns gathering to cockblock random bands because they have nothing better to do and no actual fascists to fight.
▶ No.8873
>>8316
People will not naturally love their country, that is why you must force them to cooperate or perish. This is why libertarianism does not work. Democracy is in fact weak in this regard as well, due to the fact that leadership is perpetually divided and fractured. It's worse when there's only two parties, as the masses proclaim themselves "libertarians" but use tyranny by the majority to justify authoritarianism.
Honest tyranny is the only good political system.
▶ No.8877
>>8159
The internet wouldnt exist anymore if I had my way, so have your lols in now while you still have time.
Nigger.
▶ No.8878
I get your point even though Posadas is memeworthy himself. Funny nuke d's nuts alien guy
▶ No.8879
The 3rd one I do agree with to an extent I must add
▶ No.9106>>9770
>>7951
You retard, the president needs to approve the launch of any nuclear weapons or else the bombs won't be armed.
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▶ No.9770>>10513
>>9106
The point of posadism is to encourage nukes being thrown, not to throw them yourself.
▶ No.9809>>9831
ARYAN TRASNHUMANISM
a racial caste system to planetary scale,like our ancestors once did thousands of years ago in india we must close the circle and trasfer the will to power to other groups .
im not larping thou my father has a hotel where 54 people work , i have contrated africans latinos and muslim giving everybody a work based on their perceived strenght as a race and the only people at the top are aryans while the administrative job is done by asians
▶ No.9811>>9814 >>9831 >>10514
national syndicalism or trade unionism
anti-conservatism, anti-religion or in other words no institutionalized larping
all modern "traditional" values are imperialist shit anyway
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▶ No.9831
>>9809
The world already works like this. However this time around, the Jews are the Brahmins.
>>9811
Based post. "Trad" is the new Trump- a Schelling point for half-hearted cucks.
▶ No.9845>>9851 >>9852
I created my own political ideology. Here it is:
There should be a country for each of the different political ideologies. Socialist countries, Capitalist countries, Authoritarian Right countries, Islamic countries, anarchy countries, etc. The only caveat is that borders are kept open so everyone can emigrate to the country that best reflects their own values and interests.
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▶ No.9852>>9854
>>9845
Now that's what I call autism
▶ No.9854
>>9852
can you really expect anything else from the dude who created urbit?
▶ No.9989>>10048
I care little for the octosyllable names and gay little flags people dress their ideas in. I'm just waiting for God to wipe the slate clean.
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▶ No.10161>>10191 >>10512 >>10532
>>4554 (OP)
It’s extremely zoomer to treat political ideologies as if they were a class in an RPG videogame. Anyone I’ve met who treats an -ism as a sports team or personality filler are usually autistic on some level.
▶ No.10191
>>10161
this
that being said, Marxism
▶ No.10512
>>10161
whats wrong with being autistic?
▶ No.10513
>>9770
I always though Posadas was a funny guy for being a Trot.
▶ No.10514
>>9811
I'm like this but anti-atheist. like Baron Ungern.
roving atheist and jew murdering bandits.
▶ No.10529
>It’s extremely zoomer to treat political ideologies as if they were a class in an RPG videogame.
That is just how reality works. Human beings have the freedom to choose their set of beliefs.
▶ No.10532
national socialism
the state's priority is the growth, wellbeing and happiness of my people
happiness is not cummies and retweets, it is a state of satisfaction with existence that most people achieve through work, marriage and child rearing
>>10161
>autistic on some level
where do you think you are?
▶ No.10575
My political attitude changes as frequently as my mood (maybe I'm actually fucking Borderline or something), yet I always return to right-wing socialism. I hate using the term National Socialism, however the label fits my beliefs perfectly. The government should help ensure the well being of everyone, but only if it ultimately benefits society as a whole. We should promote class-cooperation instead of class-warfare. Cultural unity should have a higher value, and we should strive to homogenize religion, language, race, etc.
Although I do identify with these beliefs the most, I can't help but only half-support it. Maybe I'm just scared to completely swallow the black pill, but idealism is comfy, and I always secretly hope that I'll eventually become the alpha male straight-edge conservative that I idealize.
▶ No.10577>>10580
>>7378
>anti-capitalist
>don't really know if I'm a socialist or a communist
>I like the thought of there being true freedom
Doesn't free enterprise count as a freedom? How can you be free under communism? I would understand syndicalism or even socialism, but that still wouldn't be "true freedom". Not trying to flame you, just genuinely interested in the lib/left mindset .
▶ No.10580
>>10577
freedom it's a fucking meme made by dark matter niggers
▶ No.10603>>10604
I just wanted to say that everyone who says "we should have X" or "we should be given Y" in politics, is either a literal nigger or a white nigger. You cannot be guaranteed that the guys in power will give you X, Y, or Z, no matter who they are. The guys with the big guns owe you jack shit and will always do what they want. In theory your ideology will amount to nothing but a childish fantasy of being pampered by some parental authority, and in practice it is cucking out to ambitious psychopaths who see you as nothing but a statistic on a piece of paper.
The act of "surrendering" to someone else is by its nature something very feminine. Instead of surrendering your personal power to every political group with good intentions and cool promises, you should do everything you can to win it back for yourself and your countrymen.
▶ No.10604>>10696
>>10603
Real power is in numbers, you can't fight for just yourself because you will be overrun.
That being said, I guess I'm somewhat NazBol. But I think I would only be NazBol if I moved to Europe. I am disgusted by degeneracy and capitalism that enables it but I don't fully believe in the communist mission and I think there's a better way to be anti-capitalist, and all communists/socialists here in America are gigantic faggots anyways. They just believe in generic humanism like the neo-liberals but with more free stuff.
Actually, I think that's my real political identification, I'm anti-humanism, anti-progressivism, and anti--anything that removes the dignity of straight white men who are the true kings of society, the Deposed Lions of the Jungle,
who have lost their crown due to the their Queens feeling sorry for Zebras.
▶ No.10696>>10697 >>10702
>>10604
<Real power is in numbers,
<I'm somewhat NazBol
<degeneracy and capitalism that enables it
<there's a better way to be anti-capitalist
<muh super unique and special snowflake version of socialism
And people still ask me why I hate black people.
▶ No.10697>>10702 >>10705
>>10696
Yeah okay, libertarian enjoy having everything taken from you.
▶ No.10702>>10705
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>10696
>i hate black people
>wtf is nazbol sounds like snowflake anti degeneracy shit lol
>>10697
this
▶ No.10705
>>10697
Yeah, thanks. Nigger.
>>10702
>>10703
lmao, another retarded zoomer. Did you at least finish high school yet?
▶ No.10715
>>5786
>caring about other people
lol gay.
I do it for myself. not for others.
▶ No.10722
>>8129
what is the song?
>>8129
▶ No.10724>>10725 >>10818
I choose none. Every single one of them stupid idealogies are nothing but actual garbage, none of them have any basis in reality whatsoever. Ever single one of them is flawed human thinking. Left right libertarian and authoritarian, literally none of it exists nor has ever existed, all it ever is and was is power and the struggles for that power. The world is divided into groups of people who can be divided down into groups until you get to an individual. Within all of these groups there is inward competetion for power and co-operation for power. To enforce their power and to grant them more they create and destroy entities such as states and laws. That is why there is no utopian anything, there is no government system that could ever even govern at all really. People like to say communism looks good on paper but terrible in practice, but I believe that is true of every attempt. When you think of the world as a never ending clusterfuck of different gangs and gangs within gangs fighting over resources, I guess the world makes a lot more sense. Bit troubling though when there isnt5 much chaos in the world, cuz that means a few people control mostly everyone else and force them to get along.
▶ No.10725
>>10724
>>10724
>>10724
>>10724
>>10724
>>10724
Whatever anything is is relative to where they are in terms of power and who has it and who doesn't.
This why I don't argue about it anymore, it is a waste of time, because it is goong where it is and nothing can be done to stop it, slow it down or speed it up. I'm better off spending my time learning to shoot fire from my hands.
▶ No.10734
Christian-based Fascism is the closest thing to reality but like all human institutions and systems it will collapse and decay into nothing.
Granted it's just the best in theory, Europe and most of the civilised world is far, far too degenerated for any political system to fix, we need judgement from God in the form of mass destruction or some form of mass awakening, people are too comfortable to do anything while the vipers drown them in poison.
▶ No.10739>>10772 >>11062 >>11108
Since I'm a NEET, basic income is the only issue I care about. I will vote for anyone who promises to give me free money for doing nothing. I'm left-wing on everything except race and immigration, and even that I don't really care about much anymore since I literally never leave the house except to buy more fast food. It would also be nice to be able to own a gun to defend myself against inbred methhead bogan white trash, too.
▶ No.10772
>>10739
Based and neetpilled? I have nothing but indifference towards democratic processes but I'm willing to actually get dressed and go vote right when some sucker will promise me free gibs and solid passive income. Capitalists can suck ass, I would totally let them pay me for living.
▶ No.10818
>>10724
Hobbes and Grotius said similar things, though Grotius was more Idealistic and bureaucratic and Hobbes felt more Pragmatic and down to earth. I feel closer to Grotius though, he was a proto-Totalitarian. I think some people need their individualism stripped in order for a state to function. His one flaw was having too much faith in humanity, through, for such a bureaucracy to function but what do I know? No snitchin' was a juden tactic to weaken law enforcement.
▶ No.10819>>10882
I.e., Grotius led to Kant, Hobbes to Nietzsche.
I disagree with Machiavelli that religion should be used as a tool, Grotius made sense due to his just war theory descended from St. Augustine that war should be only made as priority for peace, not as a top for taking the rights of others (something that would echo in anti-imperialist communist rule) and nothing else. Haven't really got into Hobbes' theories on that. Hobbes removed himself from the classics too much and was liberal for his time.
▶ No.10882
>>10819
Why do you disagree that religion should be used as a tool? Also, isn't "just war" kind of an oxymoron, because no war can be fought if both sides are not sufficiently convinced of their righteousness, as in war can only be fought by the willing and the willing need to perceive themselves as right and correct in doing so? Where do you draw the line on the taking of other's rights? A soldier forfeits his right to absolute protection by being a soldier, sure, but is a general justified in confiscating some peasant's food to save his own army from starving? Or is he only justified if those peasants are the enemy's?
Machiavelli understood that for a tyrant to have too rigid a system of ethics infinitely complicates matters and is akin to a death sentence.
What is the use of religion if not to be atleast a tool for informing or distracting/entertaining people?
>No snitchin' is a juden tactic
Honour among thieves is a meme to weaken those with a shred of idealist optimism.
▶ No.10883>>10884
The hottest new political philosophy is escalationism.
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>>10884
Incorrect, allow me to explain the difference. Accelerationism is the idea that if we vote for our enemies they will make things so bad for us that it will cause people to revolt. My question for people who advocate accelerationism is, how will voting for leftists precipitate such a massive decrease in standard of living that people will finally wake up? Sure, our taxes will go up, but we already pay taxes we just won't go out to eat 3 times a week and cut it down to 2. Sure, there will be more brown people with more brown babies, but that is par for the course, all cities are non-homogeneous hellholes already. I mean seriously, think about it, we have transgendered kids, illegal immigrants getting away with literal murder (california case where dude shot girl at the pier), 13% of the population commits 52% of murders, english isn't even spoken in many areas and the family unit has completely collapsed. And the fucked up part is, nobody cares enough to do anything about any of these things. The only thing leftists could do is try to take our guns. Other than that, they have already done just about everything else they can to piss us off, and we have done nothing. (written from an American Perspective)
Escalationism is direct action, street protests (like yellow vests) and real world organization. Think the early yellow vest protests where the French were really going at it. Then, think of other things that would escalate those protests further, you get the idea. Voting in more clowns won't change anything, the police massacring civilians will.
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>>10914
>Accelerationism is the idea that if we vote for our enemies they will make things so bad for us that it will cause people to revolt.
Oh man, I would answer your question but I'm wrong kind of accelerationist. I just want to fuck everything up so there won't be even a chance to fix anything/revolt and this system will collapse. I'm not scared about people, they are like cockroaches, they will survive even nuclear holocaust. People revolting usually means they will just replace pigs up there on top positions and delay our misery. I hate to say it but Varg is right at least in something. I wouldn't complain so much if actually leftists would take over because that would mean free gibs but the group which already took over is worse. I don't want AI, I don't want surveillance, I don't want IOT, I don't want all this crap, that's why I will gladly die somewhere while looting shit with hope, the strong and healthy will replace my degenerate ass.
▶ No.10922>>10923
>>10919
A systemic collapse is going to come. The question is, will the present power structure hold onto power, or will it be destroyed? Everyone right now is talking about a massive financial crisis in the next decade or so leading to a world wide digital currency (no cash just card). This would lead to the present oligarchs keeping power. The alternative is a DOTR type scenario where the plebeians rise up against the oligarchs. I am sure there are other possibilities too, but those are the ones I see. Shit needs to happen, I don't care what it is, but stuff needs to be on fire (buildings, not trash cans).
▶ No.10923>>10925
>>10922
>A systemic collapse is going to come.
To be quite honest? I more hope than rationally believe. It seems to me as majority of people are nowadays so dumbed down that you can take a shit in their mouth, then tell them proudly about you just shitted in their mouth and they will just keep on going. I see maybe some revolutionaries trying to fight their fights but I think this is great opportunity for illegalists to actually start doing something as well without all that political nonsense. It will be harder for both groups to do something precisely of how much power establishment has nowadays and it will get even worse with more advanced technology, such is AI face/voice recognition etc. The answer is chaos and nothing else. Hundreds of groups fighting for their own interests together dismantle this rotten system, even if it might not be their primary goal. It sounds terrible for normalniggers but I would love to see power going down to people who can either be individual self-governing entities or groups/unions which would together reclaim what is theirs. I won't fight with ancoms nor with ancaps, I won't fight with left or right leaning revolutionaries, I won't fight with separatists. Just dismantle this monolith by any means necessary and rule yourself, your streets, land or whatever the hell it's yours.
▶ No.10925
>>10923
This. On top of that, though, i do hold strong political convictions as well, so i support other people when they do something that helps dismantle the system while proposing my own.
▶ No.10926>>10927 >>10941
>>10914
Yeah, you got it anon, it's the leftists that are constantly increasing the power of the rich, it's the leftists that are trying to weaponise the police and military against ordinary people. The TRUE AND HONEST conservatives trying to give the surveillance state yet more power and hand your tax money directly to corporations and the wealthy are your friends :^)
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>>10926
I can understand the red soldier, the jew and the illuminati but who the fuck would blame the failings of capitalism over aliens and satan?
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>>10927
Christians blame satan for the destruction of society/culture by capitalism and you'd be surprised what insane qanon schizo types believe out there. (this image is prolly in satire but based on real shit I hear now)
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>>10928
Forget about boomers with their crazy christian meltdowns. Forget about us, millenials, creating memes which only we understand because we all have useless philosophy degrees. Zoomers are already taking the wheel and they will drive us to total insanity because they don't need any actual knowledge or meaning. You think the right conservatives can have crazy theories? You think left has tons of meme movements and ideology directions? I can imagine zoomer kids will come shilling for some trans-broccolism just because they seen some funny meme on discord without any meaning at all. You might hate zoomers but I absolutely adore them sometimes for being the purest of pure cringe reflection of absurdity of reality we live in. If zoomers read this, please come up with a lot hot senseless tasteless memes and all your crazy movements, it's way better than actually participating in democratic processes.
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>>10929
zoomer here, i have never made a meme and will never do so thank you very much
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>>10931
Well that is a way as well, I just hope you don't go vote AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>10926
I don't know how it is in the UK, but leftists are responsible for multiple groups of US oligarchs. The biomedical/pharma oligarchs are a result of socialized medicine (medicare) giving a blank check to medical companies, and is responsible for the absurd healthcare costs in the US. Same thing with housing, section 8 (low income subsidized housing) has made many rich slumlords and drives up the price of rent for working people. As for the police and military, yes those are both leftist pursuits. In America, people who believe in the constitution and the founding principles of this country advocate for small government, military for defense only and an armed and mobilized populace (militia). I think you are confusing right wing people with (((NeoCon))) scum.
▶ No.10942>>10947
>>10941
To expand upon this, Woodrow Wilson and FDR getting us involved in both world wars went directly against the wishes of the founding fathers who advised Americans to "stay out of europe's wars." Both also advocated first the League of Nations and then the United Nations, enacted the first social programs/state economic intervention this country had ever seen, and prior to Wilson there was NO federal income tax. These two men and their policies are irrefutably leftist and directly responsible for the rise of the "military industrial complex" you seem to associate with the "right wing."
▶ No.10947>>10962
>>10941
>>10942
Also Abraham Lincoln wanted to fuck Karl Marx, they sent each other love letters, Lincoln was actually going to establish a communist utopia the next day after he was shot, but obviously he had a bit of a headache that morning and cancelled everything.
▶ No.10961
>>10941
Based Brotha. The Cletus-Jamal alliance is coming together nicely.
▶ No.10962
>>10947
>cancelled everything
TIL that the whole DSA cancellation culture goes way back…
▶ No.10964
>>10941
To this I would add that all the anti-trust acts, far from their intended purpose of reining porky in, actually created a system of collusion between the largest corporations and the government-- this allowed for strike-breaking during the progressive era, and allows for surveillance capitalism today. The two world wars then brought the armed forces and the intelligence agencies into the mix. The Cold War and the Civil Rights era birthed the twin folk demons, "commie" and "racist" that was used to tar any opposition to this arrangement. Most damningly, it redefined the United States as a proposition nation (lol) committed to spreading enlightened capitalism (a bigger lol) throughout the world. We all have been suffering ever since.
▶ No.10965>>10981 >>11005
>President FDR and Wilson
Those are only 2 of the worst traitors.
The other 2 are Nixon and Clinton.
Nixon allowed the Chinese to get strong and build an industrial base because america was broke after the vietnam wars and they had to keep up the illusion that they are still a rich country. Therefore they said John Doe can now buy chinese plastic crap for cheap and think he still has purchasing power.
Then with President Clinton the final nail was hammered in the coffin in 2001 when he allowed China to enter the WTO and finally sold out the american middle class to China. All jobs have been exported to china and the remaining ones were filled with immigrants. All those policies are simple cash grabs by the corporate elites for suppressing wages and maximising profits while fucking over everyone else in the process.
▶ No.10981>>10982 >>11004
>>10965
I would say the traitor list goes like this
1. Woodrow Wilson, the fountain from which all this flows (income tax, WW1, league of nations, treaty of versailles, the federal reserve was created under him)
2. FDR (ww2, military industrial complex, "new deal," RIP Hitler)
3. Lyndon Baynes Johnson (Vietnam escalation into war with draft, immigration act of 1965, forced integration of the south, social security, medicare, USS Liberty treason)
4. Clinton (NAFTA, repeal of Glass-Steagal)
5. Nixon (just because he made china big, the jews really did hate him and the gold standard was being manipulated by jews to fuck the US treasury)
▶ No.10982>>11002
>>10981
honestly, I wouldn't even include nixon in the top 5, I would probably say Jimmy Carter because he let all the cubans in and I am in south florida so I hate him because he ruined miami (total shithole, never go).
▶ No.11002>>11073
>>10982
Carter was better than Reagan or anything after.
▶ No.11004
>>10981
Nixon was as close to fascism as we got (at least in office) very economically centralized conservative
▶ No.11005
>>10965
Clinton was an all around POS. I even said that in the 90s. Didn't have many friends because of it.
▶ No.11007>>11075
>>10941
I don't think here it goes far enough. I actually hate small government and am very right wing in a social scale
▶ No.11008
>>10919
I'm accelerationist in the non-transhumanist way
▶ No.11062>>11181
>>10739
Gun rights are fucking gone so I'm numb to the fact that my guns will be taken away. We should have been buying privately instead of through an FFL anyways. Niggers and spics are apparently the future so I may actually move because if I'm going to be forced to learn another language I want to at least choose which language that is. I fucking hate lefty faggots and trannies but I realize that being a NEET as a white man is the best rebellion against the system you can have, as long as you aren't paying taxes.
▶ No.11073>>11144
>>11002
in what way? pls give examples.
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>>11007
I either like small government with only white, landowning men voting or National Socialism. Is that what you mean by liking big government?
▶ No.11087>>11096 >>11113
No idea anymore.
I became a gun nut and then interested in firearms. I was a conservative for a bit and mindlessly thought Israel was cool. Then I became an extreme libertarian which evolved to NAZI. I think an cap would be cool for a bit but who fucking knows.
I just want to fuck my wife, have drugs, shoot full autos, be left alone, and want my country left for Canadians. Not chinks, pakis or any other scum.
Indians get a pass.
▶ No.11096>>11113 >>11174
>>11087
>Indians get a pass.
lol why?
▶ No.11108
>>10739
Does Australia have their Andrew Yang?
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>>11087
>mindlessly thought Israel was cool
Funny how "extreme" left and right in certain cases can agree when it comes to hate towards Israel. For different reasons, of course, but still it's funny world we live in.
>>11096
My guess is something like pic related. I can't think of any other answer which would make any sense.
▶ No.11114
>>11113
Somali Bae get a pass for being anti-Israel.
▶ No.11134
Temporal ideologies are for fags.
Each man is different, each group of men is different, each people is different. Religion aside, every country and region will have a different means to reach their moral, spiritual and material potentials, individually and collectively; although Morality exists, it's universal and it's given to us by God - there's some relative morality as well, but that's minor, temporal, stuff and should be given minor attention.
If you are interested… I'm bad at explaining, that's why my post will be long, will seem complicated and crazy. But I have met people with similar views about the best way for my country to be governed.
Not having a centralized totalitarian system burdening its people is a must for Brazil, given the differences from our peoples, the country's extension and the obvious failure of Democracy in this case. Having organic means of organization and, at same time, a strong authority are necessary for our monkeys to reach their best.
The best I can think for my country is a semi-absolute Catholic Monarchy ruling and moderating above a non-totalitarian system of federal government most compatible with our people (which can change at any time) who would keep harmony, progress and organization over many forms of decentralized means of political organization, which could include democracy as a mean of choosing its representatives and leaders. That would keep the totalitarianism (including the disgusting Democracy totalitarianism) away from my country.
So the best I can think for my country is a Catholic Monarchy to harmonize stuff, protect the Family, protect very basic individual freedom, keep the flame of Nationalism and our identity, intervene as necessary and guarantee long term success; an open kind of political regime under it; and some kind of federalism and municipalism to decide over rules, laws and local planning. The decentralization on decisions (municipalism, probably with democracy) and strong moral authority above everything (the Emperor) are meant to keep totalitarianism away and let each people to find its best path.
To add to all of this, fascist and catholic groups leading people to their maximum potential, not necessarily always working inside politics, but working alongside Brazilians.
And I like privacy and liberty for speech and the Internet, so that would be included in the protection of the Emperor or the leader below him.
Believe me, I'm not alone in this kind of thought about our politics. I've meet many Brazilian anons with the same mentality, usually they are pro-Monarchy and Integralism.
I've just detailed it a bit to our current reality and my personal taste. It's not an ideology as a whole, it's each ruling or influent group who are having their own ideologies under such system.
Personally, I'd be in a "non-totalitarian extreme right" political position, where some level of socialism (but not too far as to be heretical or to take over the country) would be allowed to exist in regions its people want it to exist.
▶ No.11143>>11153
>>11075
No. National Communism. Pathocracies. Acceleration with the goal of becoming a Primitive Third World Shit Hole. Mad Max but with despotic rule.. You get my drift
▶ No.11144
>>11073
Actually pro worker, anti Zionist, anti war, pragmatic.
▶ No.11146
>>10941
That image though reminds me of a quote by Tom Metzger, "I do not hate the black worker, I'd rather hate the white capitalist" dude was NS as Fuck but I'm sure he was redpilled on the jq as well.
▶ No.11153>>11190
>>11143
Whatever floats your boat, I hope for a better future to rise from the ashes. I could also go for a neo-luddite Amish reactionary/fascist future. Mad max is too Africa tier to be realistically practiced among whites.
▶ No.11164
>What is your choice of political ideology, /doomer/?
esoteric Ryderism
also, I am libertarian
▶ No.11174
>>11096
Indians like wagon burners.
May as well let them run free in the woods.
▶ No.11181>>11191
>>11062
I can't relate, we don't have guns in Australia. And I would say Asians are the future. Blacks and browns will end up destroying themselves.
▶ No.11184
>>4635
>this but such that the social collapse leads to anarcho-primitivism or eco facism
Not Eco-Nihilism/Eco-Extreemism. Sad.
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>>11153
I dunno these results say a lot about me
▶ No.11191
>>11181
Sweet sweet yellow meat
▶ No.11192
accelerationism that will lead to the death of modernity and the birth of a Divine absolute Monarchy. The most successful society is one closest to God.
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>>11199
just kidding found it
▶ No.11232
>>11190
>>11200
Here's mine, anons.
▶ No.11397
>>11240
continuation of >>11200
▶ No.11954
Every doomer living in the (((west))) should be an accelerationist.
▶ No.13151
Deep ecology/eco-fascism.
▶ No.13335>>13336
Eco-Fascist Ethno-Nationalist Galactic-Imperialist
It is our biological imperative to remove all non-whites from the Earth before they destroy it, then to cherish our home while realizing our Faustian Spirit and embarking on the colonialization of the final frontier: space
For if we do flourish and seize our destiny then eventually all intelligent life will cease to exist, and then all the niggers will cease to exist, and finally life altogether will cease before this barren rock is engulfed by the sun and all light will have gone out forever.
If we allow this reality to become realized then everything truly is meaningless, nothing which you nor anyone else does will ever matter.
A library can be rebuilt from fire, the knowledge relearned, but a race cannot be rebuilt, its achievements to be lost forever.
▶ No.13336
>>13335
>For if we do flourish […]
Meant to say
>For if we DON'T […]
▶ No.22521
>>4584
anarcho capitalism is fucking based