/doomer/ - Doomers Club★

I'm currently setting up a robust system to yield veggies without any inputs once set up. I started with planting clover and various flowers I like in order to help overcome the grass that was growing all over the lot I'm starting with.

Tips/tricks I can provide are pretty self evident since I'm comparatively speaking a permie n00b, but in general what I like to do is apply a landrace principle to my gardening style. I don't really mantain or weed often since I'm rarely at home due to uni, so I just chuck out seeds in recently weeded spots and see what survives. Increasing the biodiversity without worrying too much about productivity helps the wildlife around, so if you decide to pursue apiculture it's really worth it to not only plant human-fodder, but also plants with good value for wildlife.

That aside, plants that I have so far and would reccomend: rugosa roses, thyme (use as groundcover directly underneath smaller bushes and the such to prevent them from being overwhelmed by all the other tall shit), violets (another groundcover).

A big tip? Invest in some clover seed to help replace grass, but for fucks sake don't get the deer stand type because that stuff grows knee high and makes it hard to walk around without wanting to take a weedeater to it.

When it comes to animals, I currenlty have hens for eggs. Rhode island reds are a fantastic breed--they lay nice, large eggs on a regular basis. Productivity takes a plunge in winter, but hey, sustainable protein that's low effort. Next up I want to have rabbits, but I still have to figure out how to keep them in a non-fragilized system. Eventually i want to get a small flock of sheep so i can get a source of fiber and milk and meat, but that's a more long-term plan for a few years from now. In the meantime i plant trees and chase my boomer off the lot with my florists spade.

Uhhhhh also plant chives and just let them go wild and reseed. I just set some seeds out and will report back on results in a couple months, but i have high hopes.

>>19392

If you're willing to put in more work upfront to have less later, look into forest gardens. The idea is to essentially plan a rain-forest with mostly food-growing stuff in in, and, like rainforests, they just handle themselves afterwards, with the exception of having to pick up food.

If you pen them in and are careful with what you grow, you can even let meat animals run free in them without giving a shit until butchering time comes.

>>19366 (OP)

It's been a couple years since I've looked into it, but I think it was about 1.2 hectares per person, given raised beds.

Rabbits are the best kcal in/kcal out for meat, goats if you want meat+milk, but goats are cunts and will escape.

If you truly want to sustain yourself, floury stuff like grains are the main problem. Get used to potatoes and acorn flour instead.

If you're actually Austrian though, you're gonna either need to move to a different country or grow a whole lot more to sell, because our laws are designed to strangle people fucking off from society.

>>19398

Echt welche Gesetze meinst du?

Really wich laws do you mean?

>>19392

Thanks man helps alot

>>19444

Property tax, the Flächenwidmungsplan making it basically impossible to live in the middle of your fields since you're not allowed to build outside villages and property in villages where you're allowed to build being massively expensive, houses having to be connected to water and sewage and electricity lines (all of which have most of their cost in the subscription payment rather than usage, so you have to pay a lot even if you don't use it), the mandatory municipal waste collection payments even if you don't have any waste for them to collect, the mandatory checks by the chimney sweeps for wooden ovens being quite expensive, the building codes that essentially make it impossible to build your own house unless you are a certified master-builder.

There's probably more I'm forgetting, these are just off the top of my head.

>>19398

I'm on my way to developing the higher stories of the garden, trouble is trees cost moneys and I am in pentacles hell right now. That said I do have some paw paw started, and look forward to the day when I uproot the shittier apple saplings in my dads orchard to replace them with hardier, local heirloom varieties.

>>19470

Fug wäre zu schön gewesen….

Welches Land wäre zu empfehlen?

>people want to do home farming

>Serbia is wild west country

>I could buy a piece of land and do whatever I want there

>but entire country is shit

>and to get anywhere you need a car

>and people drive their cars like lunatics there

>and people steal like it is some national tradition

>everyone tries to fuck you over, you can trust noone and have to double-check everything

you see, there is benefits and disadvantages in living in a shithole country

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Austrianons, be happy about Austria and the regulations

I was in Bosnia last few days. It is wild west and freedom. You could buy hectar of land for €10K and do there whatever you wanted, nobody gives a flying shit.

Next to my uncle's house, people just occupied government land and built houses on it and have goats eating grass on the land.

But in winter people burn everything to keep warm. And by everything I mean:

>Wood

>Charcoal

>Shitty Charcoal that stinks like hell

>Also shitty stinky woods

>plastic

>old automobile tires

>old carpets

>house garbage of any kind

and you really smell it. The very moment the plane opened its doors, you could scent this charcoal grill vibe in the air. After a few days there, your backpack stinks, your clothes stink, your samsonite stinks. Everything stinks. And this is nothing about water pollution yet. Water is polluted as well and companies use this polluted tap water in their products.

I was there in May. The air is still polluted. It always is. But in winter, you barely can breathe. You really don't want this believe me.

Freedom is something for cultivated and civillized people. Nothing for subhuman IQ90 farmer people.