/doomer/ - Doomers Club

>>10133

They're just a symptom. The root cause is decadent Western capitalism. It cheapens and commercializes everything to the point where life is almost entirely reduced to economic relations. The collapse of the Soviet Union and the defeat of communism was the death of civilization.

>>10135

Do you think Warhol did what he did ironically as response to it all or he was genuinely part of it? In other words, was he just playing character and try to be Dalí or he was genuinely into all this art?

>>10133

Warhol was brilliant, as were the Velvets. Both were emblematic of a time when the distinction between the commercial and the avant-garde, the utopian and the commercial and hell, even that between capitalism and socialism was paper-thin. They represent a potentiality that is forever lost to us.

>>10137

It wasn't irony. It was a reaction against abstract expressionists who were the real CIA NIggers. Warhol showed them that art could be simultaneously accessible and radical.

Anyway, what are the chances that Moe Tucker browses /pol/? Embed related.

>>10135

>The collapse of the Soviet Union and the defeat of communism was the death of civilization

lmao, do you edgy zoomers ever wonder why the pseudo-capitalist countries you live in aren't the complete and total shitholes that socialist ones were?

eh, likely. though grunge is his fault. most of those bands sucked. punk is good, hc is good but I'm iffy on grunge.

>>10158

except they kind of are.

I'm too old to be a zoomer anyways, I'm gonna be in my late 30s this June.

>>10133

>Were they the cause or the symptom of cultural downfall?

neither. they are unimportant. warhol was a hack who somehow "made it." only lou reed had talent, but im sure he is jewish, and as a faggot im sure he "earned" quite a few record contracts too.

niko i never understood the infatuation with. not that hot, and talks too damn much.

>>10461

I would say the only person with a talent there was Cale. Reed pretended more than what he actually had. And I guess Niko wasn't even the biggest icon, wasn't Edie Sedgwick bigger deal?

>>10461

Desertshore is amazing. Big influence on Death in June and other neofolk bands.

>>10135

it's called dialectical materialism because it is a purely materialistic worldview

>>10472

>Reed pretended more than what he actually had

All artists do this to an extent.