/cyoa/ - Choose Your Own Adventure

>>16141

I dunno, I feel like the employers are vastly more evil than the residents or the powers and honestly all the powers suck a beefy fart directly out of a cows butt. I did make an effort to read the whole thing though, and I am kinda sad that I can't ACTUALLY befriend the residents and help them feel better and become better and actually get better so that they can be happy but still have all their cool abilities and stuff, and I'm sad that the only options are betrayal, because the way it's worded implies that all friendships are actually fake ones that end in betrayal. Overall, it was interesting, but it left me feeling thirsty for more, disappointed, and depressed. It felt incomplete, and far too short, and the theme and style kinda just felt… not-vet-cohesive. I guess. I hope this review helps. Have a good day.

>>16146

>not-very-cohesive*

>>16149

Hey thanks, that's really cool. I'm probably going to come back later and really try to rethink and post a story based on my choices after the stuff you told me/cleared up. Maybe the DLC will help too. that's really cool.

>>16141

>>16152

>>16149

Warning to everyone! my links contain anime or animations that has lots of bloody and scary and creepy stuff. It's just that type of crazy japanese anime, or animation in general. basically horror movie gore but animated. If you don't like that, don't click the links. I've seen plenty of cyoa here that are intense in many ways so this shouldn't be a problem anyway but if you don't like that type of thing, seriously what are you doing here anyway?

Okay so again thanks for the clarifications.

I guess what I will be doing is giving you a really cool story based on my own sort of head cannon I suddenly feel inspired to kind of make up for the game. I may be bending the rules a little bit here to make it more fun for me and also give you a better story. I really hope you enjoy it.

>powers

I'm combining two powers into one power the (heart eater) and the (imaginary friend) turned into the blood powers from the anime

"dead man wonderland"

https://invidio.us/watch?v=oZHU23kOlaQ (good examples starting at 5 minutes)

Then, I'm taking the compulsive groper and turning it into the powers nico robin has from the one piece anime

https://invidio.us/watch?v=MKAfDtr2GZ8

where I can grow any body parts on anything. Technically I can grow and ungrow hands or other body parts out of surfaces, and that includes the surfaces of other hands or body parts. Essentially I can suddenly grow myself a giant meat-mech the size of godzilla made out of a million arms and legs. I'll also combine it with the deadman wonderland blood powers to give me perfect shape shifting, age shifting, immortality, and regeneration.

next, I'm taking mind melder, but making it so I can use it in a more stable way so that I don't lose myself but can still use it to understand or impart understanding, basically share copies of knowledge and understanding and feelings both ways and all that

Then, I'm also doing a weird combined version of mind meld/imaginary friend/compulsive groper that turns into a different additional power that basically gives the me invisible weaponized psychic tentacles/limbs from the old flash animation

"The Castle Series"

https://invidio.us/playlist?list=PLV6dBUhNIkxgaTpSPFo53A_0ZCCm1s2Cq

or the anime "Elfen Lied'

https://invidio.us/watch?v=y6wtMrXrbpA

I'm basically going to go around befriending all the weird people like me and helping them all get stronger and healthier and overcome their issues and become better people and then form a team of basically super heros that don't need no satanic corporation/dark "UNE-SEMMM" HUE HEU HURRRrrrrrrrrr ops group to keep us chained down and all that sheet. heh. Possibly we make good examples of ourselves and say "hey listen you leave us alone, maybe we leave you alone too kapeesh?" but I doubt they'll go for it and let us just live in peace and self treat and heal on our own so there might be a war between the supers and the illuminati kek keke kekekek you know? Then we'll take over the illuminati and become it, and become the un-illuminati but we wont blind people with false light, or blind them with darkness. We'll just be cool and make good stuff happen all the time for everyone, and stop all the bad guys and save the world and stuff. Also maybe troll people with the one guy that can become hitler, have him come back and actually turn out to be a pretty cool guy nobody could have guessed just for the lolz.

I hope you liked it!

>>16156

>>16157

>>16158

This is super cool and I guess I get what you're going for, your description is an interesting system. I can't wait to check these all out and give you my answers on what I chose. Maybe I'll give a within the rules to the cyoa style answer, and another one of my "do whatever I want" answers too so you can hear both of my ideas on what I might choose.

I'm already starting to read them but I gotta make some food so I'll probably really read them slowly and think hard about it and eat something but then take the time to really write out a good answer when I'm done.

Thanks again this kicks ass!

>>16159

Just a heads up! I'm taking a long time to read all of these and write a thing on them. It's much bigger than I expected so I need a lot of more time to finish it, but I am doing it. It's really fun aside from a few issues but really fun. I might need another day or two, or maybe only a few hours. I'm not sure.

making progress

To be honest, I actually got really upset and rage-quit the game because so much of it turned me off and ruined the immersion. Instead of things being OP in a fun kind of way, A bunch of characters or other things are stupidly OP or hypocritical and contradicting in the most un-fun ways possible that would immediately result in any kind of good or constructive experience to end very quickly and painfully for the main character playing the game before they could even breath for a second, or at the very least make it completely impossible to achieve any sort of goals of any kind without someone ruining it and turning the whole thing into a nightmare.

What is the point of super powers if some people have SUPER-super-powers that are the very definition of "no fun allowed"? Seriously this game just crushed the mood, ruined my fun so bad and made me have a really bad day. fuck. It has cool things about it too, and it's even further ruined since it has potential but kicks me right in the, the moment I start to have fun of any kind. I even wrote out this big thing and I put so much effort into it and even roleplayed as 4th wall breaking version of my own character but I deleted it because nothing I said would even matter because the game would just ruin it anyway.

These three granters of powers are severely flawed. Why would I choose any of them? They all praise you for following their will but punish you for contradicting them, but they all seem to be content with constantly contradicting themselves.

The brave red one praises those who refuse to give up, but punishes them when they will inevitably make a mistake and say "sorry I regret this" as anyone logical would eventually do at some point or another. They seek to get rid of all weakness, however they contradict themselves by punishing people for having a strength. The strength to tell the difference between right and wrong.

The blue logical one praises those who are intelligent but punishes those who feel any emotion, perhaps even the good feelings that come after victory as a result of the use of that very intelligence. They seek to get rid of all that inhabits the mind. If there is no emotion, then what is the point of victory if you can't even enjoy it? If you can not be instinctual, then those who have good intuition will eventually succeed where cold hard logic can not. And then again, is logicality not instinctual to the blue logical one?

The miserable darkness praises those who suffer and perpetuate suffering, but punishes them if they succeed and feel anything good from their victory. This is a massive contradiction and the most profound irony that the being that wants to remove all feelings of goodness and safety from existance still needs to give others "good" things as a reward to make more bad things happen. It's like a bank robber that compulsively feels the need to donate half of their "winnings" to childrens cancer research hospitals while simultaneously claiming that they hate kids.

basically they're a bunch of hypocrites.

Madeline Ambrose is insanely OP to the point where they feel like a really power-trippy moderator with a literal delete button for anything they don't like, even thoughts or powers or memories or people. Why doesn't she just delete all of the threats to humanity? That's it! the game is over. Thise whole cyoa has no reason now. Imagine you get into a fight with her and she just deletes you or something. If she has powers that OP, then others must also have crazy OP powers too, and they do, but it doesn't make it any better, only worse somehow.

How did she even capture this deleter person without getting deleted? If everyone has extremely unfair cheesey OP powers like just deleting people without even having to fight or something, then it's like a wild west shoot-out with nukes. Everybody's gonna lose no matter what and fighting is guaranteed eventually, so it's just a ticking clock until everyone decides they've had enough. This shatters my immersion and ruins the fun of the entire cyoa.

in regards to theodore, why is he 58 if he was a bodybuilder before world war 2? when does this cyoa take place? or did he just stop aging at a certain point?

wishgranter vagabond dude seems too OP like the other one

malifsa also deleted, more mood killing total turn off levels of BS OP garbage

I'm just going to stop mentioning characters, because everyone seems capable of "delete button" powers in this whole cyoa game.

>Hey an enemy

>"lol deleted u"

that's the whole game

>"lol deleted ur powurs"

full on bullshit, it actually makes me mad how bad this is.

I just could not keep reading on after the companion section. It's just the same thing over and over again. There is no "fight" that happens, it's just "everything is doomed and everyone loses instantly" -the game. just awful, I am depressed now on a scale of 1-10 it's an 11.

>>16162

>>16163

The CYOA is open-ended to your definitions, anon. You're also ignoring the powers you have available to yourself.

>eggregores

For one thing, you can ignore the Eggregores and be Neutral, powered by your own self. Sure, it costs points, but it's the difference between being a PC and an OP NPC.

>Ambrose

As for Ambrose, the grab-bag power Metaphysical Armor was specifically made to counter "bullshit" such as being deleted, and Mystery Box A makes it so that even reality manipulators need at least an hour to erase you with all the bullshit in the multiverse. Additionally, you can counter that dude with a variety of ways, including invisibility, teleportation, mind control, or simply silencing her before she orders him to do anything. You just have to act before she/he does.

The reason why she doesn't use him to spam deletions is most likely A) He can erase *nearly* anything, and B) He needs to know what he's erasing.

And remember, most of the people in the hotel exist in defiance to her will. They managed that even as low level supers. Fighting her directly may be hard, with how many supers she has on her payroll, but defying her is not as impossible as you make it out to be.

>How did she even capture this deleter person without getting deleted?

Tranquilized him before he even knew she was there, and woke up lobotomized?

>it's like a wild west shoot-out with nukes

It sorta is. Except there are Titans about to keep the more powerful supers busy, as well as threats from beyond. You're not likely to have to deal with problems above your paygrade, the same reason why Daredevil doesn't have to worry about Skrull invasions or Thanos smashing him into bits. A little suspension of disbelief is paramount.

>Everybody's gonna lose no matter

World's big enough for both kinds of lifestyles. The CYOA gives you the option to pursue whichever one you want.

>why is he 58 if he was a bodybuilder before world war 2?

I'm guessing somewhere between the 70's and 80's? The images seem to indicate so.

>wishgranter vagabond dude seems too OP

He is, but he doesn't fight directly, and you can basically ignore him. It's like worrying that the nearby airforce base has a helicopter that could level your house if it wanted to.

>Malifsa

Grab-bag powers: Power Locks and Psychic Blocks. Just two points, and she's helpless against you.

>I just could not keep reading on after the companion section

You should. You're missing out on the powers *you* can get. None of the companions are beyond what you can create as a player. You can take on enemies that are within your level, or just take on simple weaklings you can beat around with a stick. It's your choice.

>>16164

Look I'm not even mad, I'm just being 100% honest here okay.

>The CYOA is open-ended to your definitions, anon.

Yea but the other overpowered characters still exist in the game don't they?

>You're also ignoring the powers you have available to yourself.

It doesn't matter what powers anyone has if everyone is able to scream "3 2 1 NOT IT!" and delete everyone else like 5 year olds arguing with each other over who farted and who didn't. Everyone will just delete each other and that ruins the fun.

>For one thing, you can ignore the Eggregores and be Neutral, powered by your own self. Sure, it costs points, but it's the difference between being a PC and an OP NPC.

Yea but they still exist in the game are are severely OP to the point of not being fun anymore

>As for Ambrose, the grab-bag power Metaphysical Armor was specifically made to counter "bullshit" such as being deleted,

Yea but even if I'm immune, all my allies and even my enemies are not immune, so before I can even use my superpowers and do anything fun, the rest of reality will just cease to exist and I will be sitting around just as bored as before I started. So I could just give everyone immunity, but why go through so much effort and trouble to make everyone in the world immune to bullshit (which would be nice) rather than maybe just not including bullshit in the first place? I don't like it when people create really frustrating and unnecessary problems just for the sake of selling me back a solution. It's like ea, ubisoft, bethesda, activision blizzard etc making their games suck and then selling me a loot box to fix the game or dlc spamming their customers like other companies. I rather just not deal with the bullshit to begin with.

>and Mystery Box A makes it so that even reality manipulators need at least an hour to erase you with all the bullshit in the multiverse.

So what if I'm really far away or I get stuck and can't make it in one hour to stop the bad guys? Game over! Why should I have to worry and stress over that, every single moment in my life, even while sleeping someone far away could be preparing to delete me for any reason or even no reason at all, or just mentally torture me from 9000 miles away or ruin my friends minds. It's total bullshit.

>>16164

>Additionally, you can counter that dude with a variety of ways, including invisibility, teleportation, mind control, or simply silencing her before she orders him to do anything. You just have to act before she/he does.

It's just a "no fun allowed-button". I never want to deal with it, or the possbility of someone else running into power like that. Why even accept that as a thing that can be out there somewhere? Imagine I'm about to save the world and some jackass deletes me at the last second. That would suck for me and the whole world. Nobody wants that shit. If they can't beat me in a fight or something, no easy cowardly tricks… just no.. ugh..

>The reason why she doesn't use him to spam deletions is most likely A) He can erase *nearly* anything, and B) He needs to know what he's erasing.

That doesn't stop her from walking the deleter dude around on a leash and pointing to everything "delete this" "okay delete that" "Oops delete them quick they want to stop us!" poof poof poof

It's like arguing with a child throwing a temper tantrum, except they're as dangerous as a black hole.

>And remember, most of the people in the hotel exist in defiance to her will. They managed that even as low level supers. Fighting her directly may be hard, with how many supers she has on her payroll, but defying her is not as impossible as you make it out to be.

The only place an immature power tripping monster with insane deletion powers should exist is as a moderator of 4chan or facebook. Ambrose isn't even the only one. I kept reading through the companion section and kept running into "can rape your mind from 9 million miles away" and "deletes matter" and "can kill the whole world in 1 second by turning into a black hole"

Think about the avengers movie. I know… ugh.. but still, if all the heros and villains were that difficult, 99% of all the movies they were in would not exist. There would be one movie where everyone just blows up the universe and it's game over. Then you have thanos. He's basically the designated edgy brat that deletes everyone. It took the whole damn universe to take him down and half of everyone still died. Thanos is not good for story or even an interesting enemy. He was just an overpowered loser that made everyone have to go through the worst and most horrible bullshit to just get rid of him. This cyoa has like a million thanos's and even worse. the first cyoa is extremely underpowered in some ways, and the second one is so overpowered that it's not fun anymore. it's just full on "no fun allowed"

>Tranquilized him before he even knew she was there, and woke up lobotomized?

And this guy was just some normal looking guy who was just minding they're own bisiness and got kidnapped? Can anyone in this cyoa just go grab some dude off the street and delete the whole universe with him? How many of these guys are there? why? why?

>>16164

>It sorta is. Except there are Titans about to keep the more powerful supers busy, as well as threats from beyond. You're not likely to have to deal with problems above your paygrade, the same reason why Daredevil doesn't have to worry about Skrull invasions or Thanos smashing him into bits.

Imagine I'm the daredevil and I accidentally cross ambrose and she just deletes me or my powers. Couldn't have seen it coming, just game over. It's like a poorly designed video game with artificial difficulty that intentionally kills the player over and over again in ways that they couldn't have avoided. It's just a rage-generator. (and some people actually like that) I don't..

>A little suspension of disbelief is paramount.

I just can't. It has to be fully immersive or fully silly, or it's just a huge buzzkill. I can understand guardians of the galaxy level humor mixed in, but the fact that things can just go full hue hue off the rails and in the worst ways possible just ruins the fun of it. playing this cyoa is like playing "real life" but only slightly more interesting but just as awful in every way.

>World's big enough for both kinds of lifestyles. The CYOA gives you the option to pursue whichever one you want.

But that's the part that gets me because none of my options matter if anyone else can ruin my options. when I play a cyoa game or read a book or play a video game, I take it very seriously and try to allow myself to be immersed as much as possible (and not the cringey buzzword "immershun" that fake gaming journalists throw around) so I really get deep and analyze every piece of information I'm being provided and I care about the fact that something that I read, even if I don't choose it, is somewhere out there in the game waiting to get me. It's really uncomfortable and I'm unable to immerse myself and just say "Oh well maybe I will never meet ambrose lol", no, she's out there. waiting to ruin everything. I dislike her even more than these titans which are also probably insanely overpowered too.

>I'm guessing somewhere between the 70's and 80's? The images seem to indicate so.

Oh. well I didn't feel that at all. There's all kinds of different styles and hints that indicate otherwise so I didn't really pick up on a set time other than "somewhere in the more advanced but near future" not too distant but still maybe a few hundred years from now.

>He is, but he doesn't fight directly, and you can basically ignore him. It's like worrying that the nearby airforce base has a helicopter that could level your house if it wanted to.

All someone has to do is wish for him to do something horrible, which could happen at literally any moment. I could beat up a super villain and then they could get butthurt, or one of their friends could get butthurt and wish for something horrible to happen to me. This is why wish granting doesn't exist on earth in real life other than god answering someones prayers or something. Wishes probably used to exist, but were probably used so irresponsibly that someone had to wish for wishes to not be possible any more to stop evil people from abusing them. It's not like giving everyone a gun to defend themselves, it's completely different. Giving people wishes is like putting the remote for a universe destroying doomsday villain weapon into the hands of a very grumpy baby with a poopy diaper.

>>16164

>Grab-bag powers: Power Locks and Psychic Blocks. Just two points, and she's helpless against you.

Unless everyone in the entire universe takes these points too (and wastes points they could have used on much cooler powers) then everyone and everything except for the few who took the immunity will cease to exist in an instant or be plunged into hell or something. I would just make everyone automatically immune to bullshit and give everyone more """"realistic"""" powers that are at least cool and require active participation like going out there and throwing punches or shooting lasers or something, but why should I have to do that?

>You should. You're missing out on the powers *you* can get. None of the companions are beyond what you can create as a player. You can take on enemies that are within your level, or just take on simple weaklings you can beat around with a stick. It's your choice.

Even if I had unlimited points and could spend them on whatever I wanted, this game would still be ruined for me because all my allies would be doomed, and all my potential enemies would be doomed or too OP that I wouldn't want to risk fighting them, and they would probably erase me anyways even for no reason. The whole game is rigged to set up player 1 for guaranteed failure, even if they win in the end, they will lose everyone and everything they care about to overpowered whiney immature universe destroying tempur tantrum bad guys that can delete anyone or turn people crazy or against each other. It's just "no fun allowed- the game"

>>16169

>Grab-bag powers can make that a non-issue.

It's not a non-issue because overloading people with completely unnecessary endless bureaucracy and red tape in order to solve problems that didn't even have to be a problem in the first place isn't fun, it's just a huge headache.

>Also, you could argue that this would be the case in a world where Superman or the Flash exist, but it isn't.

There's always some sort of pre-defined and pre-written story with huge amounts of complicated plot armor that make that always go a certain kind of way in general. It's usually more fun to watch something like that than be a character trapped in some horrible doomsday scenario with no plot armor at all.

>You can tank for them.

Enemies aren't forced to pay attention to me. All potential enemies that could have made for a cool plot or fight of some kind are destroyed before anything interesting can happen, and all potential allies are enslaved or killed or driven insane. It just makes me sad.

>You're in luck: Setting Change is a free option that lets you edit the setting to be more fun for you, if there are certain details that don't sound right.

Well that is kind of nice, but I guess it's frustrating when you have to really go to such extreme lengths to re-imagine entire pieces of the cyoa to make it not frustrating anymore. I mean, I usually end up saying "forget the points I'm just going to choose all the fun options" and sometimes I even do like to get really creative like the previous posts in the thread, but still it does get me really grumpy that some things are just so unfair. Again I'm just sharing my opinions. I am in no way telling you what to do, this is your creation, and this is just an opinion. Please don't be mistaken by my honesty. Just saying just in case.

>Befriend a telepath/teleporter, or become one yourself.

Eventually this entire thing just becomes a game of choosing all the "counter-bullshit" powers to make myself immune to all the bullshit, rather than just creating my dream-hero and having loads of fun, of course with a good challenge, but not an artificially difficult and unfair meat grinder run.

>I prefer to see it as a "game over if detected" setting, kinda like stealth games.

I could just play minesweeper

>Alternatively, you could just befriend her in the first place?

I only like to befriend people if they're actually worthy of my friendship, and I'm also worthy of their friendship. There have to be good reasons why we get along and care about each other, or it's just a painfully hollow and soulless ninja-ass-kissing-spy-game and it's terribly dishonest. I'm just going to be some persons best friend to get something that I want, or prevent them from doing something evil? Doesn't feel right.

>>16169

>Unlike Thanos, neither of them is somehow immune to a sniper bullet. If they hire a super that has forcefields, you just need to git gud and plan a course of attack. Many forms of media deal with a seemingly unbeatable enemy that is felled by a well-thought out plan. That's the fun of it.

There's a difference between good plans and strategy and basically a minefield simulator. What can happen, can eventually and might actually happen. Russian Roulette is not a game I want to be playing where so much is at stake.

>If you don't find it fun, see above, pick the free Setting Change option.

I mean, I really could ignore all the points, and go through the whole thing, take every single immunity power, and bend the rules and give 100% of allies and enemies immunity to bullshit and still have insanely OP powers, but just not delete buttons, but after that I already have a sour taste in my mouth. I'm not trying to be difficult, but I honestly can not force myself to enjoy it at that point, no matter how hard I actually want to enjoy it.

>If she's aware of your mind. Either befriend/become an equally powerful telepath, take Psychic Blocks, or just don't take her as an enemy.

But she still exists in the game universe and I might meet her, or someone very similar to her one day by accient.

>"deletes matter"

>Shoot antimatter.

But now I have to memorize countless "counter-powers" to use against everyone with bullshit powers. Even If I pick them all, can I even actually remember them all?

>"can kill the whole world in 1 second by turning into a black hole"

>He's a goody-two-shoes. He'd never actually do it. Besides, he'd be killing himself too, since there would be no food nor air left.

He's also got a bad temper and might do irrational things when he's angry. Somebody will take advantage of that, and when they do, that's it, everyone loses.

>the first cyoa is extremely underpowered in some ways, and the second one is so overpowered that it's not fun anymore

>The CYOA operates under the comicbook law of powerscaling. You're never going to run into an enemy that you cannot conceivably surpass or suppress.

So If I try hard enough even as the weakest character, I can resist all the bullshit powers and unwill my own deletion just from going HNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG enough?

>You should read the comic book The Boys. Shows one example of how relatively normal people could take down supers.

Maybe I will research it some day. Thank you.

>>16169

>Imagine I'm the daredevil and I accidentally cross ambrose and she just deletes me or my powers

>She wouldn't. She'd just send a team of low-level supers to take you down. The deleter is her bodyguard, not attack dog (even if he was, you're just one low-level nobody out of thousands).

Until she decides I'm annoying or persistent enough, then she will abuse that power as a last resort. All people are the same when it comes to some things.

>So you don't want any sort of potential hardship? You just want an auto-win powerwank fantasy?

No not at all. Challenge is good, when it's fun. As soon as it stops being a challenge and goes into full on bad-game-no-redo gitgut teabagging territory, it's not even just only simply "unfair" anymore. It's a whole different animal.

>I really get deep and analyze every piece of information I'm being provided

>Except, you have not, by your own admission. "I actually got really upset and rage-quit… I just could not keep reading on after the companion section".

I did rage-quit… This time. But you could also take my rage-quit as proof of the fact that I was paying attention close enough every step of the way to become turned off enough to enable my feelings of rage-quit to erupt in the first place. If I was a bad observer, I wouldn't notice as much, and then I wouldn't be reacting the way that I am. It is good to observe. an existence of pained awareness is not better than an existence of painless ignorance and neither is the opposite true. They're both the same, except for the only difference being that in one situation at least you know what is going on, and that knowledge is better to have than to not have.

>If you want to judge a cyoa, or a game, as bad, do so after you read every pertinent detail. This could've been trivially resolved if you chose to self-insert into Marvel/DC, which is a *free* option.

I don't really want to limit myself to only one kind of thing like marvel or dc or anything, but I get what you mean. I really am being critical, hopefully constructively… I think, I hope… but I'm not really judging. I think. You're right about detail yes. Sometimes you read things and start to get a general idea of how it's going to be.

>There's all kinds of different styles and hints that indicate otherwise

>Nazi girl that was indoctrinated by actual Nazis didn't tip you off?

No because there are interdimensional constructs and multibillion dollar space stations and giant country sized bases that didn't really exist around that time period if I'm not mistaken. heh.

>>16169

>All someone has to do is wish for him to do something horrible

>And they'd have to provide him with an equally important payment. Again, grab-bag powers.

I know but people are not logical all the time. Some crazy bad guy or even a good guy having a bad day would eventually lose their shit and wish for something without caring about the consequences, or believing that they're totally fine with them in the current moment and only regret it, or blow it off as unimporant later as innocents burn in their wake.

>I'm sorry to say, many others have played this cyoa, with varying levels of seriousness, and had fun. It sounds to me like you're the one not allowing himself to have fun in the CYOA, which is fine as your own decision.

Hey whoever likes it, likes it. Good for them. No problems. I'm just sharing all my thoughts about how I experienced it.

>I just hope you don't accuse people who enjoyed it for not thinking the setting through.

forgive me I don't understand this part so well.

>>16169

>the first cyoa is extremely underpowered in some ways, and the second one is so overpowered that it's not fun anymore

>The CYOA operates under the comicbook law of powerscaling. You're never going to run into an enemy that you cannot conceivably surpass or suppress.

>So If I try hard enough even as the weakest character, I can resist all the bullshit powers and unwill my own deletion just from going HNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG enough?

Also, technically speaking, does everyone playing this cyoa game have automatic plot armor?

>You're never going to run into an enemy that you cannot conceivably surpass or suppress.

?????????????

>>16170

>overloading people with completely unnecessary endless bureaucracy and red tape

People differ. You might find an adventure with absolutely any possible bad ends to be horrific, but some relish the challenge of staying under the radar. The cyoa was made to allow you to customize your adventure to almost any variety possible, including being an NPC.

>complicated plot armor

Is an actual power you can grab.

>Enemies aren't forced to pay attention to me

Take a meta or psionic power that forces them to.

>re-imagine entire pieces of the cyoa

Self-insert into Marvel/DC/real life then. Also, you don't have to reimagine everything, just name the stuff you didn't enjoy and replace it by what makes more sense to you.

>a game of choosing all the "counter-bullshit" powers to make myself immune to all the bullshit

Some people -myself included- relish the challenge.

>I only like to befriend people if they're actually worthy of my friendship

John Kirov romanced Ambrose so he can one day replace her.

>>16171

>good plans and strategy and basically a minefield simulator

In most games, it ``is`` a minefield simulator. You stealth around or make a plan, and if you get caught and shot, you're dead.

>ignore all the points, and go through the whole thing, take every single immunity power

Dude, they cost like 3 points total.

>memorize countless "counter-powers" to use against everyone with bullshit powers

You can take a high level meta power that allows you to counter any abilities used against you. One possible weakness -to not make it a boring "I win" button- is that it only works with one power at a time, so if they have multiple powers or come in large numbers, you need other powers to survive. It's been done before multiple times in fiction.

>can I even actually remember them all?

Take a Mental Power. Tier-1 should be enough for perfect memory.

>everyone loses

I'm sure you can easily surmise he isn't the only superhero of his level in the pantheon, much less the world. If he gets out of line, they bring him back. Batman to Superman, so to speak.

>I can resist all the bullshit powers and unwill my own deletion just from going HNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG enough?

Or you do get deleted, but with the power of friendship -and some keyblade bullshit- you're willed back into life. Maybe one of them makes a wish from that wish-granting guy, and when you reappear you have to help them pay him back, starting another adventure?

>>16172

>Until she decides I'm annoying or persistent enough

Good luck achieving that, the qualities that make her the undisputed leader of UNCEM suggest she's near-impossible to shake.

>she will abuse that power as a last resort

If you're stupid enough to face her down without a plan or backup, yeah. Other than that, people don't use shotguns to take out cockroaches (or at least, Ambrose isn't mentally unhinged enough to be one of those people).

>bad-game-no-redo gitgut teabagging territory

So, no death?

That's the comic book set of laws I was talking about.

>paying attention close enough every step of the way to become turned off

But as has been made apparent, you missed out on important pieces of the cyoa that would've answered at least half of your issues. I'm not going to claim that it's perfect, or that you'd be unable to find fault or issue with it if you read it to the end, but you could at least try?

>giant country sized bases that didn't really exist around that time period if I'm not mistaken

The nazis are hiding behind the moon. Beware!

>>16173

>wish for something without caring about the consequences

Read the description for Vagabond, again:

>genuinely intended to make their recipient have a better life

He's good natured, not an asshole genie.

>if you should have a positive relationship with Vagabond… he will refuse to grant wishes to those who would wish to disadvantage you

That means he has a will. He isn't a mindless wish granting machine.

>he is the only entity who can grant wishes… in the multiverse

No risk of other genies.

>certain limitations on the scale of wishes.. If you have nothing left to lose, or nothing valuable enough to you to be worth your wish, Vagabond will be unable to grant it

>Vagabond cannot grant large-scale wishes, such as destroying worlds, granting absolute immortality, or bestowing omnipotence/powers, and will outright refuse and be unable to grant the majority of wishes at such a scale

In the end, if you take Metaphysical Armor and Psychic Blocks, even if you somehow make an enemy who is capable of contacting him and convincing him killing you is a good thing, the worst he can do is harm your loved ones, and at the level you'd need to be operating on to run into that sort of trouble, you should have access to revivification technology/magic/powers, or know someone who does. The Punisher never had to deal with Magneto because it'd be a curbstomp battle. Law of comic book powerscaling.

>forgive me I don't understand this part so well

Ignore it, I was in a bad mood.

>>16174

>If I try hard enough even as the weakest character, I can resist all the bullshit powers and unwill my own deletion just from going HNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG enough?

No, but unless you seek out people who are so obviously out of your league, you're unlikely to run into them over the course of your life. See Magneto/Punisher above.

>does everyone playing this cyoa game have automatic plot armor?

Anyone playing the Power Creator cyoa can buy them if they want. NPCs in the setting have access to the lower form of grab-bag powers at best.

>>16175

>>16176

>People differ.

Yes.

>You might find an adventure with absolutely any possible bad ends to be horrific,

That's not really the point I'm making.

>complicated plot armor

>Is an actual power you can grab.

But why should I have to?

>Enemies aren't forced to pay attention to me

>Take a meta or psionic power that forces them to.

But why should I have to?

>re-imagine entire pieces of the cyoa

>Self-insert into Marvel/DC/real life then. Also, you don't have to reimagine everything, just name the stuff you didn't enjoy and replace it by what makes more sense to you.

But why should I have to?

>a game of choosing all the "counter-bullshit" powers to make myself immune to all the bullshit

>Some people -myself included- relish the challenge.

I understand.

>I only like to befriend people if they're actually worthy of my friendship

>John Kirov romanced Ambrose so he can one day replace her.

are you serious? Man that sucks.

>good plans and strategy and basically a minefield simulator

>In most games, it ``is`` a minefield simulator. You stealth around or make a plan, and if you get caught and shot, you're dead.

Yes, but it's how it's done that makes the difference I suppose.

>ignore all the points, and go through the whole thing, take every single immunity power

>Dude, they cost like 3 points total.

3 points I can't spend on something more fun or useful

>>16175

>>16176

>memorize countless "counter-powers" to use against everyone with bullshit powers

>You can take a high level meta power that allows you to counter any abilities used against you. One possible weakness -to not make it a boring "I win" button- is that it only works with one power at a time, so if they have multiple powers or come in large numbers, you need other powers to survive. It's been done before multiple times in fiction.

I still have to memorize things that I can't memorize.

>can I even actually remember them all?

>Take a Mental Power. Tier-1 should be enough for perfect memory.

I guess.

>everyone loses

>I'm sure you can easily surmise he isn't the only superhero of his level in the pantheon, much less the world. If he gets out of line, they bring him back. Batman to Superman, so to speak.

I know, but it's the equivalent of everyone being a hot tempered loose nuke cannon. walking on eggshells for the entire game is extremely detrimental to fun and the entire experience. I wouldn't go around being rude to everyone but the moment I need to get anything done or save the world, the whole world just explodes. It's just not fun for me.

>I can resist all the bullshit powers and unwill my own deletion just from going HNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG enough?

>Or you do get deleted, but with the power of friendship -and some keyblade bullshit- you're willed back into life. Maybe one of them makes a wish from that wish-granting guy, and when you reappear you have to help them pay him back, starting another adventure?

But this would turn into an ever more complicated re-pay-back-re-re-re-re-re-re-pay-back nightmare like John Wick where nobody can ever truly "get out" of the game. It's literally hell. It's like the federal banking cartel printing out infinite money out of thin air and charging every country in the world infinite interest on it and keeping them in debt forever.

>But as has been made apparent, you missed out on important pieces of the cyoa that would've answered at least half of your issues. I'm not going to claim that it's perfect, or that you'd be unable to find fault or issue with it if you read it to the end, but you could at least try?

I skimmed through the entire thing and It's just a headache that I don't want to endure. I crave fun, but the game with all it's frustrating endless loops and knots and bureaucracy and red tape and egg shells to step on and all the insanely tedious frustrating overcomplicated catches and strings attached to everything completely ruin the fun so I don't want to play it. I don't even want to think about it. To me it's not even a game anymore. It's a chore.

>>16175

>>16176

>wish for something without caring about the consequences

>Read the description for Vagabond, again:

>genuinely intended to make their recipient have a better life

>He's good natured, not an asshole genie.

as if it's impossible to trick him or abuse his power?

>if you should have a positive relationship with Vagabond… he will refuse to grant wishes to those who would wish to disadvantage you

>That means he has a will. He isn't a mindless wish granting machine.

But if I don't want to be his friend, or I am his friend and there's another one like him out there, possibly with less morals…. I'm screwed.

>he is the only entity who can grant wishes… in the multiverse

>No risk of other genies.

I doubt that

>In the end, if you take Metaphysical Armor and Psychic Blocks, even if you somehow make an enemy who is capable of contacting him and convincing him killing you is a good thing, the worst he can do is harm your loved ones, and at the level you'd need to be operating on to run into that sort of trouble

So I guess super heros are not allowed to have friends or family because bad guys will just automatically be dicks and hurt them to torture the hero

>If I try hard enough even as the weakest character, I can resist all the bullshit powers and unwill my own deletion just from going HNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG enough?

>No, but unless you seek out people who are so obviously out of your league, you're unlikely to run into them over the course of your life. See Magneto/Punisher above.

But it's silly to assume that just because people belong to a specific power level that they will never run itno anyone stronger than them. Things don't actually work that way, villains are often like bullies, not always, but they usually pick targets that they know they can succeed with, which is usually someone weaker than them…. so… If this whole thing is true then villains in this entire game can't ever actually function because if nobody will ever run into someone stronger than them, then villains will never attack their intended weaker targets, or they will only be able to attack targets that are equal strength to themselves, resulting in a huge amount of failure on the part of villains and very little success, making for a vastly less active super hero world/experience since the bad guys are about as OP as universe swallowing dragons, yet about as effective and annoying as those birds that walk into 7/11 and grab a bag of chips and fly away without paying.

my head hurts

>>16177

Ohhhh…. I thought sand made… what…

Well thanks for dropping by. I guess everyone has a different definition of OP you know?

I like it when people with superpowers fight other people with superpowers, or maybe fight overwhelming non-powered forces also.

The moment anyone is able to

>lock or remove someones power

>delete someone

>rape someones mind or erase it

>pretty much anything that's cheap

I instantly lose interest.

I get really turned off by all the extended universe and some of knights of the old republic mentions of (even though there are parts that really enjoy of those games and books) where they talk about cutting people off from the force or how in x-men they use drugs and gene-mods to take peoples powers away or prevent them from being born with powers.

In my head I'm always screaming

>THEN JUST MAKE A MOVIE OR BOOK ABOUT NORMAL PEOPLE!

It always completely takes the fun out of everything when people essentially have cheap zero effort moves to just ruin or end anything in a second.

At least have a lightsaber fight, use the force on each other, have a really good battle or duel or showdown or something.

cheap version: lol I dont like u so I take ur powers away

whenever this happens in any book or movie, I just get disgusted at the intensely low quality of the writing and the lack of imagination. It's like everyone just woke up in the morning and turned the lights on to brush their teeth and said "EUREKA! the light switch! THE LIGHT SWITCH! YES! I will just turn peoples powers on and off, they has never been done before!"

I just cringe so hard that it hurts.

I really like it when super powered individuals, and individuals without powers actually have to make an effort to win instead of using cheap cheesy tricks. It's like playing monopoly, everyone gets upset they're losing and just delete the game and smash the whole thing into the wall. Of course, it's monopoly so I really don't blame them, and I might even help them smash the game too. haha but it's never a creative way to actually end a confrontation in movies and games.

>>16181

>>he is the only entity who can grant wishes… in the multiverse

>I doubt that

It's literally written in his description though.

>just because people belong to a specific power level that they will never run itno anyone stronger than them

If you break down any setting into its specifics and remove plot armor, you get nightmare fuel almost all the time. The only way you can get the enjoyment you wish for in a setting is either plot armor, or a nigh-omnipotence.

>nobody will ever run into someone stronger than them

Whoa there, I did not say that. I said "out of your league". That means you're not gonna be a human grunt facing Galactus, but you might find yourself Snake facing down Metal Gears.

>villains will never attack their intended weaker targets, or they will only be able to attack targets that are equal strength to themselves

The thing is, a weak villain can reasonably defeat a stronger hero, because villains have less morals holding them back. You might have to defeat the villain non-lethally, or at least with minimal collateral damage, while they can just spam nukes (assuming that's the powerlevel) until you're dead, and fuck Geneva.

>>16182

>I thought sand made

I made Super Hotel. I based the cyoa after a faction me and a couple of friends made using the Power Creator cyoa, which was made by MythicLegendary aka PowerCreatorAnon.

>>16183

doesn't really save it for me

>>16386

Looks pretty good.