No.49048
Originally saw this "leak" posted on /v/. All of this is unverified right now, but the concepts presented here seem solid. The /v/ thread was targeted by D&C shills within minutes and the whole thing went to shit almost immediately.
A few things I want to point out here:
1. The AI apparently uses voice analysis to determine things like mental state, a history of responses to in-game events and content, and (for women) menstrual cycle
2. The AI will use this data to craft user-specific marketing, and determine what time is best to present these advertisements to players
3. One suggested tactic is to have an AI-controlled user in an MMORPG pretend to be a player and manipulate other players into buying microtransactions (for example, by bragging about finding good drops in pay-to-play dungeons
4. One slide talks about "Out-Of-Home advertising", which combines things like cellphone location, facial recognition, and internet-connected advertisement platforms (e.g. billboards, in-restaurant TV screens, etc) to present user-tailored advertising. I think that this has been discussed here before so it's interesting to see it included here.
5. Another slide discusses using AI-controlled accounts and bots on various types of social media sites, including imageboards.
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No.49049
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No.49050
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No.49051
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No.49056
>>49048
>AI-controlled user
>AI-controlled bots
holy shit, it's nearly begun. they might start botting their own games. there's no way that won't be picked up on by some people, but will it be enough to cause an issue?
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No.49057
>>49056
We don't know how many bots they could run simultaneously. It could potentially be tens of thousands at a time. If they can only effectively pass as humans five percent of the time, I imagine it's still profitable.
This is pretty shitty to see in games but I'm slightly more concerned about its applications outside of that. What about shit like Facebook, which is filled with stupid and gullible users? What about the obvious stuff like Yelp? What about dating apps? I bet a guy is going to be more open to ordering himself some "adult novelties" if a cute girl's profile is telling him to.
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No.49061
They can't even make Quake3/UT level bots in shooters anymore, literary last century technology has been lost to time.
Is that because they were working on this shit instead this whole time?
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No.49062
On the one hand I want to poke some libertarians with this and see what they have to say.
Is it still a voluntary and mutualy benefitial exchange of goods and services when one side has mind control powers or something as close to it as it gets?
On the other hand during youtube's Adpocalypse drama someone mentioned that businesses that dropped advertisements didn't see a significant drop in sales and therefore ads are useless and this whole ad business scheme is just elaborate snake oil con that can bust at any moment.
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No.49066
>>49049
>women would buy more in the [last 2 days of the luteal phase of their menstrual cycle] when the AI used aggressive upselling/advertisement strategies
Poor women. They're slaves to their bodies in ways that we can't even imagine. The ultimate good goys – no wonder there was such a push for their "independence" in the way of "letting" them enter the workforce and "allow" them to have their own spending money.
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No.49068
>>49062
It's the fact they're collecting data on others that seems pretty invasive to me. Are you not entitled to privacy? I'd consider being tracked and documented as much as we are is already a gross violation, let alone this shit.
Thankfully, the more automated things become, the easier they are to tinker with. Maybe this will open up some interesting doors. Also some ads are nice, good way to make brouzouf if they're not interruptive or hijack you. It's up to you to decide if you really want the product in the end.
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No.49095
>>49066
Even if you're just trolling, you're doing a drek job of it. When that push was happening, whatever manipulative patriarchy you're implying wouldn't know enough about menstruation to exploit it with fucking advertising. That push started so long ago that masturbation was still a fucking cure for "hysteria."
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No.49117
This looks like pure dark pattern design to me, as in, no positive influence for the user and maximum pressure on exploiting a weakness in order to trick a user into paying more money.
> Is it still a voluntary and mutualy benefitial exchange of goods and services when one side has mind control powers or something as close to it as it gets?
It's not entirely mutually beneficial if you're tricked into paying for a service you don't want. If 250lbs of muscle called "Vinny" comes up to you on the street and makes you an offer of "not breaking your jaw" for 200$, it's not really a good offer. This marketing ploy is like creating a closed neighborhood filled with these types of Vinny people, then building a bunch of parks, libraries, and playgrounds to lure people in. Yeah, some people will relax and have fun, but many will meet Vinny and lose brouzouf or their jaw.
It's disgusting because something like this could only be thought of by pure type A marketing people who don't give a single fuck as long as their numbers are good.
Surprisingly, the same tools that are used to spawn these scams can be used to help avoid them. It's astounding how much easier to use ML has become in the past 5 years (my horizon of interesting).
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No.49120
>>49048
>All this AI talk
>the end result is literally what freemium mobile games have been doing for years
So basically PTW: Pay To Win
>and (for women) menstrual cycle
How the fuck you do that? detecting levels of bitchiness? I know chicks who're bitchs 24/7 so this shit wouldn't work
>determine what time is best to present these advertisements to players
The best time would be when they're stuck and keep losing. Its like in GTAV when if you suck ass and keep dying it gives you the option to skip that part which is why kids and game journos liked that game way more than old GTAs where you had to play the whole thing even if you used cheats
>One suggested tactic is to have an AI-controlled user in an MMORPG pretend to be a player and manipulate other players into buying microtransactions (for example, by bragging about finding good drops in pay-to-play dungeons
I see that as very difficult to pull off mostly because the bot would've to be able to speak like actual gamers and marketers are fucking clueless
See for example videos from MP ubisoft games like the division or siege: the actors pretending to be players are talking more like actual operators than like real gamers. Is like they never even heard cowadoody kids else the presentation would be nothing but a squeaky 10yo voice yelling shazbot and nigger all the time
>user-tailored advertising
Isn't that already a thing? I remember a few startups doing that shit using bluetooth to detect you.
>including imageboards
They don't have the balls to run something like tay and they plan to do this?
Good luck
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No.49130
>>49120
>the actors pretending to be players are talking more like actual operators than like real gamers.
This was not an example of marketers being clueless, this was deliberate decision to sell kids on the idea of being cool adult operators just like those guys in the presentation, instead of their 10yo squeaky swearing selves.
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No.49131
Im glad this only affects AAA gaming and terrible indie developers.
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No.49135
>>49120
>How the fuck you do that?
There have been some studies conducted that suggest you can actually determine where a woman is at on her cycle by analyzing minute differences in her speaking patterns and pitch. At this point it's still somewhat inconclusive but the last study I saw on it was something like 70% accurate which is pretty good.
>the actors pretending to be players are talking more like actual operators than like real gamers
That is a good point, but (as >>49130
said) I think that's because they're trying to sell the "operator" fantasy rather than the video game playing fantasy. I think under the right conditions a competent marketing department would have no issues mimicking gamer speech patterns, especially if it's a tech-savvy marketing company that has access to chat logs.
>>49131
You should be more scared about how this tech will be applied in other fields outside of gaming.
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No.49146
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>>49130
Not really, its mostly older "serious" gamers who do that, mostly because they think they're too old to talk like a shithead. And they're right.
>>49135
Yeah I missed that slide my bad, now I see how it works. Creepy af tho, funny how feminazis are okay with this. Guess their corporate sponsors payed them well enough to stay quiet.
Knowing ubisoft and how far up their own asses they are it is entirely possible they are that dumb/clueless. Consider this video: one would think people who are supposedly industry veterans would be more aware of the market and yet they so out of touch its painful to watch.
I honestly think they are sometimes completely ignorant of what their customers want. It reminds me of the murrican auto industry of the 1970 and how the japanese destroyed it mostly because detroit didn't get buyers didnt want any more bigass stupid bad quality cars with awful fuel consumption
>>49131
The indie market is already corrupt af with award judges pumping awful games they're investors to drive sales. Also most devs in this space already resort to similar tactics so you can bet they are going to use these too.
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No.49147
>>49135
> You should be more scared about how this tech will be applied in other fields outside of gaming.
Somewhat related: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/opinion/algorithm-compas-sentencing-bias.html
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No.49154
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No.49172
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So tell me chummers, have any of you ever hacked into a system IRL?
I done some dumb stuff, mostly pranks like making people think I deleted their data or changing passwords on wifi networks, mostly to send the message that they need to stop halfassing their security and learn the basics, but no actual harm done
Right now I want to do something bigger: I'm suspecting someone at my college staff is changing grades of students. I don't know if he does it for brouzouf from idiots who need to pass but can't be arsed to study, or if he does it out of spite, who knows
But its beyond my current abilities
Anyway how about you?
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No.49174
>>49172
Ignore this post it was supposed to be a thread and I fucked up
>inb4 deleted
Can't, on Tor
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No.50360
>>49062
>someone mentioned that businesses that dropped advertisements didn't see a significant drop in sales
Any good scientist can tell you the big issue in this statement. A company dropping advertisements is a company that ran advertisements, so it's not a great control.
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No.50361
>>49120
>How the fuck you do that?
You've clearly never lived with a woman.
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