[–]▶ No.48850[Watch Thread][Show All Posts]
It may not even be cyber. Am I alone? I come across loads of different cohorts of people. The same things always happens. The destructive tendencies of one or all kills it. It's like something is wrong with global consciousness. Something is different about people now then it was 10 years ago and Human interaction is worthless. How many times have you been blocked this week? I jump in an out of different circles of friends cause people are Vampires and usually worth avoiding. Starting to isolate… So, is there like some frequency being beamed across the globe or what? 5g? WiFi, or some conspiretarded shite… Maybe it's the culture of fear. There is this patent I'll drop a pic of for you all to check out. It is easy to look up for yourself hense my lack of effort here, but just a diagram I feel should suffice. Ai? Microdust… who knows… Sheeple are Sheeple again, whats up?
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▶ No.48851
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▶ No.48852
Some other Patent stuff there… I don't even know where I'm going with this. I just feel like all of a sudden a lot of people have just stopped using dey brainz and are literally thinking through the TV screens. Trump Trump Trump… Lulz… who cares bruh.
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▶ No.48855
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▶ No.48861>>48871
I don't think it's a conspiracy. Technology just took a worse turn than any sci-fi author could imagine. Our little outdated brains can't keep up with the flow of information; on the other hand, information is replicating at record speed, like a virus. Companies engineer their digital environments to keep you trapped in and scrolling at any cost.
Eyeballs = dollars
The only winning move is not to play
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▶ No.48864
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▶ No.48865
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▶ No.48871
>>48861
>Our little outdated brains can't keep up
I think its that our brains have inherent flaws/biases, and the internet and information wasn't designed around these flaws, so as things are accelerating the effects of those flaws are now becoming apparent.
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▶ No.48886>>48888 >>48899 >>48908
I have always assumed this is the final phase of the Eternal September phenomenon. The network created by and for tech minded people like us has been swamped by people who have no interest in tech/science/engineering/whatever else but have now started seeing the internet as a way to engage in their good old fashioned status rituals. /cyb/ types are still around and are numerous as ever but as a whole the population of the internet is dumber than it was. That's why communities like this one are so important. The fact that they ostensibly exist to serve a niche interest like cyberpunk keeps out the hordes because cyberpunk is not cool.
The fall of reddit is a good example of this. When it started, default subs included programming etc. but now the front page contains posts filled with grammar and spelling mistakes, shower thoughts that fall a little short of profound realisations, and so on. Comments often just rephrase the parent's statement without adding anything new.
Trolling and negativity happen because trolling is a cheap stand-in for satire, and cynicism is a cheap stand-in for criticism. Both appear at first to be the genuine article and the plebs can't tell the difference.
I won't spite dumb people their gathering places, but I'm not joking when I say it's absolutely imperative to keep them more or less out of ours. Smart communities, or even communities that aspire to intelligence, are hard to find, and if the renaissance promised at the outset of the internet age is to come about, people worth hearing have to be able to find one another.
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▶ No.48888>>48910
>>48886
>and if the renaissance promised at the outset of the internet age is to come about, people worth hearing have to be able to find one another.
That's beautiful, user.
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▶ No.48899>>48908 >>48912
>>48886
>I have always assumed this is the final phase of the Eternal September phenomenon
I think that's a pretty good way to describe it. At this point the tech has achieved peak normalization and it's been integrated into society at large. I hate to drone on about "normies" but over the last 10 years the internet has gone from a place for the tech-savvy to just another entertainment service in the same vein as cable television.
I agree that it's important to keep our communities untainted during this time but we also have to be weary of allowing ourselves to die out. It'll be more important than ever to find likeminded individuals and bring them in.
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▶ No.48908
>>48886
>>48899
Culture, science and society at large benefit greatly from network effects, so the more the merrier.
Downsides only start showing up when we oversaturate the messaging channels, and with the internet we are very far from that point still, despite everyone feeling entitled to streaming 4k 60p hdr video with no lag 24/7 straigt to their computers.
"Normies" and Eternal September are not the reason for internet sucking today, we will have to look somewhere else.
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▶ No.48910
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▶ No.48912>>48915 >>49334
>>48899
> it's important to keep our communities untainted during this time but we also have to be weary of allowing ourselves to die out
I think you have hit the nail on the head. Selective growth is a self-contradictory requirement, and I'm not sure where I would go if I wanted to tell people about this board. Hackaday is pretty good for crusty old electronics wizards, despite the new management's efforts to ruin it, but our hardware chops would not impress them. Programming boards might be a better place to start.
On the other hand, the biggest service /cyber/ provides is that it acts as a hub. If I want to learn beginner-level programming or find new music I can come here and ask where to go. So the growth problem is one of back-linking from destination sites.
I would also like to solve the problem of fragmentation. Sites like this one are always collapsing for lack of funds and it would be nice if I could get in touch with people from e.g. progrider after the site went down. Some kind of out-of-band pseudonymous people-tracker searchable by site affiliation or common interest maybe.
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▶ No.48915>>49223
>>48912
I think what's most needed is a way to find communities like these. It's hard to find new and worthwhile websites these days, considering the pollution. Every search returns dozens of junk results and """articles""". Smalls sites are hidden (for better or worse) and often nearly dead. It's difficult to find like-minded people outside imageboards. And I'll never buy into the Discord cancer.
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▶ No.49223>>49256 >>49425
>>48915
The easier it is to find new and worthwhile websites the quicker they'll be polluted. I don't share information about good places over http because the search engines will index it.
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▶ No.49224
Eternal september was counteracted with innovation and fear, it is inevitable that user-friendliness conquer anything of substantial use, but the unknown is the greatest asset to fear. Not too long ago the 'darknet' was seen as something too terrifying to go into. A good way to keep communities up and running is through more basic lack of user friendliness and an aura of unfamiliarity, which need not be edgy but unwelcoming. IRC is kinda like that in its simplicity, but one step beyond, where some form of pre-requisite knowledge has to be there. It should be a slight challenge to reach these places, IE, like how 8chan is off google's server list so is therefore unheard of by thousands of normalians. Only real problem I can see with it is there's a lot of /cyber/ types who aren't particularly tech savvy such as myself, I'm in small engines and radio. I know enough to avoid the bog but not enough.
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▶ No.49256>>49258
>>49223
But 8ch is https ;)
Google indexes https too btw
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▶ No.49258>>49327
>>49256
> but 8ch is https ;)
https is http over some crypto.
8ch is still over http.
> Google indexes https too btw
that is why I did not share any good links on 8ch.
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▶ No.49327>>49328
>>49258
>https is http over some crypto.
>8ch is still over http.
By this logic, you just don't share anything on any website then.
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▶ No.49328
>>49327
Maybe the web isn't the answer.
Other options include meshnets, BBS systems, custom apps, etc …
There are lots of ways to keep things from exploding with kids, the only real issue is that you have to choose to keep it that way.
All this complaining about communities online instantly flooding with retards is disregarding the basic truth: Those websites are, for whatever reason, trying to get as many people as possible to go there.
Meanwhile, there are custom, invite only, chat systems that only have an IP address.
The problem isn't that that websites become polluted as soon as you discover them.
The problem is that you're the pollution. You're the guy who shows up in Thailand and complains about all the tourists, with no sense of irony.
Those communities exist. They just don't want you there, and that's why you can't find them.
I'll give you a hint, though: If you want an invite, you have to give one. I've seen small communities build up over time, in parallel, and after enough people are invited from one to the other that they have basically the same community, they often just merge.
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▶ No.49334
>>48912
>Some kind of out-of-band pseudonymous people-tracker searchable by site affiliation or common interest maybe
Before 8ch there was offhand discussion on /v/ to the point of, if 4chan disappeared, how would we find eachother? Considering 4chan felt like a home some of us had never had before, and arose organically. How, without a centralized point, would we find eachother again? That was a scary thought. In the end, when 8ch spawned, I found out about it through some spam on 4chan. But it seems like these days sites are basically functionally the same, the only difference is the tone/attitude/culture.
For example, "private messages" are DMs on Twitter, Facebook messages on facebook, direct messages on Discord, not sure about Asks on Tumblr. You can post publicly with a Tweet or post to your wall, or post on tumblr. You can Follow someone/friend request them, etc in different ways on the different sites. But its all functionally the same. But no one would say that the content posted to Facebook or Twitter or Discord, or LinkedIn is in any way interchangeable.
I don't have a point but with what you said about people from like minded communities, it seems doubly true since our interests are the only thing that makes a site unique, now.
Well, imageboards are an exception. No private messages, no following/subscribers etc. It shows how normies are all about their "personal brand" since there are so many sites where your made-up identity is central to things, and only one successful site that is anonymous.
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▶ No.49425
>>49223
man, come to freenet. maybe it's weird at begin, but in less than few minutes you'll understand everything. If you are interested, enter @freenetindex in telegram i will contact you and help or, you can search by yourself
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▶ No.49427>>49429 >>49430
>Well, imageboards are an exception. No private messages, no following/subscribers etc. It shows how normies are all about their "personal brand" since there are so many sites where your made-up identity is central to things, and only one successful site that is anonymous.
Names allow me to describe a series of common properties in one go, without having to list off a great number of them, and without having to fetch proof. For busy people this is extremely useful. "Seabiscuit": The horse - It runs fast.
Not "Seabiscuit": Prove that it is a horse - prove what is not a horse - prove what running fast is - prove that this horse is indeed fast at running. Busy people make assumptions and don't always verify.
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▶ No.49429>>49433
>>49427
Which is better under which circumstances?
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▶ No.49430>>49431 >>49433
>>49427
It's not like you can't use names on imageboards if you need to.
The field is right there.
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▶ No.49431>>49433
>>49430
Outside of 4chan-o-sphere it isn't even always throwned upon.
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▶ No.49433>>49435
>>49429
When stuff doesn't matter. Otherwise: Always Verify And Verify And Verify Again
>>49430
By your nature of being a collective anon, you have no common properties
>>49431
That's true, but can you think of a single circumstance in which namefagging, whether virtual or real, is absolutely essential?
Fistly, some things should not be rushed. Transportation purchases for example. Far better to look at the manufacturing standards and the safety data than to assume things from the "Suzuki" logo. Are we really so busy that we should rush that?
Secondly, is giving credit really important? I could eat some really nice oranges, but the noun describing where they came from would be more useful to me than the noun describing who grew them.
I'm trying to figure out "what's in a name?" or why they are necessary.
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▶ No.49435>>49436
>>49433
>better to look at the manufacturing standards and the safety data
You need a way to identify things before you even start looking this stuff up.
Here's a chip with all markings sanded off. Where was it made? What technology was used? What voltages does it operate on? What does it do?
You can kind of answer some of the questions by reverse engineer it in a few month with risk of permatently damaging it.
But if you had the name, you'd look all the info up online in a minute.
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▶ No.49436
>>49435
That example is a matter of great convenience - offering the difference between months and minutes. But that is the difference between no name for anything at all versus having one.
Suppose I gave you the name of the chip's outputs. How important is it to name the chip itself?
Or an author? In fact especially an author, whose common properties are perhaps less black and white or less mission-critical to a reader looking for a good book, than an IC chip is to an electrical engineer?
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