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"A future is not given to you. It is something you must take for yourself. "

File: 4496b6d9470bf22⋯.jpg (50.23 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, ITSDREAMINGANDTHINKING.jpg)

 No.47803

> be me, 1998

> log onto sega.net

> chat with African quake 3 players

Where have the good old sense of internet community gone?

 No.47804

You bonded around the unique experience of being on the internet.

Being on the internet is no longer unique.

The more esoteric the shared experience is, the stronger the bond.


 No.47805

>>47804

I've found that new bond through trying to revive online communities, getting a new sense of direction, and exercising.

Am I doing it right? Were my days of browsing older geocities websites that turned to masculine /fit/ style retrodreaming worth it?

please i need help


 No.47806

>>47804

I think this is very true, but the coolest thing about small internet communities is always forming new ones. There are a lot of upstart internet communities that are being created all the time. I love finding new people and new interesting places and having really long conversations about all sorts of fun ideas.

People always fret about internet communities dying or whatever, but people don't just stop existing. There is always more to experience.


 No.47809

>>47806

zeronet, bitmessage (no scrap that it's full of shitposting), onion sites.


 No.47814

>>47804

Basically /thread.

The only such (alive) community I ever came into contact with I can think of is Quake 1 community. These people don't have dramas or care for the "outside world". They just play and create. And it's fucking amazing.


 No.47817

>>47814

You haven't found a community of people you enjoy talking to since Quake 1 came out?

See I think this is fucking delusional thinking. Why are you on the internet at all if you don't at least enjoy some of the communities here? Why are you posting here if you don't enjoy the community here?

People always say that the internet sucks but then they refuse to get off of it because they are so busy chatting in random online communities.

I enjoy this community and many others. I enjoy the community on Tox inparticular.

the idea of the wired and being a fan of cyberpunk is that you like living online. If you don't like online, what is the point?


 No.47820

>>47814

I imagine that is because quake is from a time when the internet was smaller, and fell out of popularity (but maintained it's renown) before the internet became mainstream. Allowing it to keep a healthy but not overwhelming scale and a prevailing attitude of leaving IRL issues at the door.

I think that is what's changed from the first decade of the net. Once it started making brouzouf it got pushed on the masses, and the masses brought the real world in with them. I'm not sure if it is possible to create new communities with the same level of comfiness as quake and other old communities. The mindset of the average user is too different now, and you can't filter users too hard or it becomes and ingroup/outgroup thing and devolves into a hostile shitfest.

>>47817

He never said he didn't enjoy other communities, just that quake 1 has maintained it's early-internet comfiness. It's possible to like the new internet but miss the old internet at the same time.


 No.47834

There's always some small community of like minded people somewhere.

You just randomly stumble in to those most of the time.


 No.47859

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>>47834

Guess what? You're in one right now.


 No.47863

>>47859

This. Since progrider went down /cyber is the only place like this I know about. Also progrider was full of psychos even at its peak.


 No.47864

I find that small hacker communities still have this sense of retro net aesthetic. They tend to have a fair number of people who have a longing for old cyber culture. BBS's are still a thing if that's what you're looking for.


 No.47883

>>47863

This chap's correct. We're a rough community, but a very unique one. Extremely creative, too.

Things didn't really change that much. You got the pioneers, the early adopters and the mainstream. No matter if tech or subculture, that's always gonna be the way humanity moves forward.


 No.47884

>>47817

>You haven't found a community of people you enjoy talking to since Quake 1 came out?

No, of course not. I've started playing Quake, like, two years ago or so and just found out that it has a really great community.

>Why are you posting here if you don't enjoy the community here?

Sure, I enjoy 8chan but nowadays it's more of an entertainment for me. The more time passes the less like-minded people I find on this site. /cyber/ is OK but big boards like /v/ are quite low-quality.

Besides, where would I go? See, this is another issue. Finding a community that suits you is no easy task. For example, I fucking love Half-Life and everything around it. And I tried joining their Discord server… only to see a set of thought-police rules. Sure, I can live without saying a word "nigger" and disrespecting someone's prefered pronounces but I simply do not want to. I don't have to censore myself when I talk to my friends and I wouldn't want to do it when talking to like-minded people online.

I'm glad you could find yourself a community but I'm yet to find myself such "virtual home".


 No.47886

>>47884

>And I tried joining their Discord server… only to see a set of thought-police rules.

Reminds me of that faggotry on the GTA V mod FiveM, god I can't believe how many bans I got just saying "nigger" or "fucking degenerate" in the chat, lol.


 No.47897

File: 2e3b321ed7ce103⋯.jpg (1.62 MB, 1600x1200, 4:3, Lain Connected.jpg)

Forums got replaced by Facebook for the most part, and the ones that didn't gradually changed as adherents grew older and normie standards started taking over the Internet in earnest.

By way of example, I used to be a fairly well known member of a very tiny Playstation gaming community that started in 2000. At our peak our forums had about 1500 users, with 2 or 300 online at any given time. Everybody knew everybody, it was comfy, we talked about everything and even did our own tournaments, some of us flying cross-country to attend.

But by the time 2008 rolled around, the community was dying. Everyone had migrated to Facebook for their daily dose of Internet chat, and cliques started to form amongst those left. One of our members was going to college in California and turned into a complete fruitbat - what you'd call an SJW today. He starting bringing social justice and political discussioin in, hot and heavy, and the board fractured along political affiliations. Conservatives were in the minority and it showed: "Liberal" users could get away with murder, but if you so much as raised your voice while arguing with one, you'd get a warning or a ban. One of the admins permaderezzed me in about 2010 for posting a meme he found offensive and I never posted again. I check up on the old place about twice a year, and the only people left are a half a dozen of the old guard who sound, without exaggeration, like NeoGAF.

I left that community and became a regular in another nice spot. We had a lot of International peeps and some really good discussion took place. But it came tumbling down a couple years later when they started an IRC. A clique formed in the IRC chat, consisting of the admins, mods, and a group of popular users. The whole tone of the place changed, where shit-talk, egos, and personal drama got carried over from the IRC and onto the forums, and people outside the clique were made to feel unwelcome. That site died entirely in about 2015.

Feels bad, man.


 No.47899

>>47897

Remind me why I should invent something related to the "Bathtub Curve" but then for internet communities?


 No.47900

>>47897

>Facebook

Saw a nice series of longreads on the subject:

https://thezvi.wordpress.com/2017/04/22/against-facebook/

tl;dr facebook accidentaly made a very addictive Skinner Box

>A clique formed in the IRC chat

Oh boy, that sounds so familiar. Except in our corner of the internet non-clique-affiliated admins won by ramping up the moderation to untolerable levels of dictatorship, and permabanning everyone left and right.

Also, another series of longreads that might be of relevancy: http://charlottelennox.livejournal.com/887.html

tl;dr Harry Potter shipping community gets destroyed by a single person


 No.47906

>>47900

>Except in our corner of the internet non-clique-affiliated admins won by ramping up the moderation to untolerable levels of dictatorship, and permabanning everyone left and right.

It would have been way better if the clique had been outsiders and the admins had derezzed them. Our place mightve survived if that had happened instead. When the admins are the ones doing it, they haze and ban newfags until nobody joins the forum anymore. Then when they all get pissed at each other from infighting in IRC, they all start quitting too until one day there's 20 people left using the forum and the server bill doesn't get paid.


 No.47907

>>47906

Our clique weren't outsiders, most of the mods and some admins were in on it.

Then they started fighting.

Then non-clique admins started banning everyone who used IRC memes.

Then clique members got proxies and new accounts and started using euphemisms.

Then admins started banning new account for using euphemism.

And then purity death spiral locked itself and which hunts began.

Mods got so sensitive I saw them being triggered by the words "trolley" or "good" by the end of it.

No newbie would be able to navigate minefield of our local politics, and even veterans who stayed around untill the end prefered to post on only safest of topics (mostly roleplaying as Azumanga characters all day every day).


 No.47955

I'm a member of a small online community. We all share a similar sense of humour and have our own internal memes and culture. It has survived at least 7 years although many come and go.

Being in one is quite cathartic and therapeutic. I've encountered other ones, but ideological differences create schisms, and the more metaphysical/spiritual/ontological/political the difference the greater the schism. If the culture is based on something niche and non-divisive by nature (e.g. hobbies, shared sentiments) it will last long.

Gwern's writeup https://www.gwern.net/The-Melancholy-of-Subculture-Society deals precisely with this topic quite well.

The internet did used to be a wild wild west. Search results were much less conglomerate in nature, long-form content was the norm, and there was always a new website to discover.

The big few major sites around swallowed everything up and began to control its discourse. The high standardisation of web technologies can also be a source of control (e.g. React.js licensing).


 No.47974

There are no good communities, only barely tolerable ones. The exception is anime, where even those don't exist.


 No.47977

>>47974

>There are no good communities, only barely tolerable ones.

I keep telling myself that one day I will find good community to be a part of. But it seems like that day might never come. If anyone knows where I could go, please let me know. I am EE student with reasonable programming abilities, but pretty much nothing else as I was never part of anything. If real life student groups would be more tolerable, I would join them, but because everything is done through facebook, I can't really access them or want to be a part of. Is joining a free software project a good idea? For instance wget is looking for C developers.

>The exception is anime, where even those don't exist.

Perhaps it's just in the nature of anime that having a nice community is impossible. How would a good anime community look like?


 No.47982

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>>47977

A good anime community would be populated by people who unironically like anime, watch anime, understand anime, and can think critically and produce coherent sentences that aren't drowning in buzzwords, memes and boilerplate. This is impossible for all but a tiny handful of outliers, so there can never exist a good anime community.


 No.48007

>>47982

This is impossible because there's only one or two half decent anime produced in a year, and everything else is a sum of boring tropes and fan service adding up to a cheap brouzouf grab.

I used to love anime because it was the only place to find really weird ideas on screen. Now it's the same old shit, over and over again, with younger and younger little girls panties being flashed every other frame.

We went from artists making incredible films, to hacks marketing directly to pedophiles.

Hayao Miyazaki was right. Anime was a mistake.


 No.48012

>>48007

There's only one or two half decent anime produced in a year by the standards of a person who think anime starts at Akira and ends at Cowboy Bebop.

What you're saying here is just rote repetition of what everyone else is saying, and what you all have in common is a profoundly narrow view of anime that never moved past Toonami, very rarely actually watching or looking into any shows, and constantly reinforcing each others' beliefs until you are all saying exactly the same things using exactly the same words and phrases (the fake Miyazaki quote, the obsession with panties, "same shit," "tropes," "fanservice," "cheap," "moneygrab", "pedophiles"). I could go to any anime community and see this same post repeated over and over again. This is what I meant when I said a good anime community cannot exist. It's not because of anime, it's because of you.

There are two separate anime industries. There is the anime industry that you people have simply invented in your e-circlejerks over the years, and then there's the real anime industry of the real world which is known to very few people.


 No.48022

This >>47982 and this >>48007 both apply to every single possible hobby.


 No.48032

>>47803

>dreamcast

>good ol' internet

Didn't need these feels today

>Where have the good old sense of internet community gone?

For all the bullshit about diversity the reality is most normies don't give a fuck about other cultures nor want to talk to them, specially if that culture has anything remotely alien that could be offensive to them

In social media normies follow other local normies in their own province or country, they rarely follow non-famous non-rich foreigners. And because social bullshit is more profitable than the old web the old communities are dying and being replaced by faceshit groups that can be made for free

>>47806

Which communities? can you recommend any?

>>47809

Onion links plox


 No.48072

>>48032

Since we're on the topic of the Dreamcast, you all should Google RetroPi. Come join the resurgent Dreamcast online scene over broadband with your Dreamcast's modem and an open source raspberry pi project.


 No.48077

>>48032

http://atlayofke5rqhsma.onion

>Atlayo

>inb4 herp derp needs javascript. Which is does. YMMV.

vrimutd6so6a565x.onion

>The Dark Lair

http://danschatjr7qbwip.onion/chat.php

>Dan's Chat

http://torbox3uiot6wchz.onion/bbs-en.php

>TORBOX HAS A FUCKING BBS RUNNING!

>nothing-there.pc3

w363zoq3ylux5rf5.onion

>Galaxy2 has gone down. Server troubles.


 No.48080

>>48077

> darknet

> all the sites are php sites

> probably already owned


 No.48082

>>48080

Don't fucking use them then you fucking spastic.

Fucking cunt. Jesus H fucking Christ.


 No.48088

>>48082

> getting this angry on the interwebz

This actually made me realize that there's a need for high quality web-related software built specifically to run as a hidden service. Stuff like discussion boards, ready-made secure configs for stuff like qmail etc.


 No.48091

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if you goto https://wiby.me/ there are some old websites on there from the 90s. it looks so comfy


 No.48125

Reading through some of your experiences definitely brought back memories of my own.

I've sort of buried them, for whatever reason. I think the reality of growing up.

It saddens me to look back, simply because some of the people are no doubt dead, many have moved on to other things, and most of all, I've lost the time to invest.

Niche forums pertaining to electronics, some maker-type hacking, and old programming languages, etc. Some real sage advice from the older gurus.

Where did it all go?


 No.48130

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