/cyber/ - Cyberpunk & Science Fiction

>>46626

I believe the word you're looking for is Post-Cyberpunk, like Ghost in the Shell.

>Psycho-Pass

>Not dystopian

nigga what?

>>46628

No, not really. Antiutopia is a society that seems like a utopia on the surface but actually usually turns that it controls the minds of its subjects somehow or manipulates them. Kind of like Orwell or Huxley where most people will be actually happy to some degree but when the characters are confronted with information about what life could be they see how it really is. On the other hand dystopia is just one a society has degenerated, the governement is week, corporations gain too much power, people are dying on the streets etc.

>>46626

>Does cyberpunk have to be dystopian or can it be antiutopian?

AFAICT, antiutopian is a proper subset of dystopian.

>>46626

>Is Psycho-Pas cyberpunk

dunno, but it's certainly shit.

>>46658

Explain.

>>46723

for the most part psycho-pass hits alot of points towards it being cyber punk but its missing a heavy dose of

low life

that and the music score was a heaping pile of trash that did not fit AT ALL with the show

i watched only the first season and hated it by the end

lain, gits and bubblegum crisis 2040 are the anime that id say without a doubt being cyberpunk

>>46723

> If you idealize cyberpunk, you end up saying every piece of fiction that tries to be cyberpunk is crap, except for some small sacred list - probably starting and ending with Neuromancer.

it has nothing to do with cyberpunk, psychoshit is just shit as a standalone work, as a cyberpunk work, as everything really, it's just terrible.

>>46724

>missing low life

nigger, half the cops are ex-cons/people who would be executed in their own system if they weren't the cops

>captcha HKgun lolol

>>46627

>>46628

>Ghost in the Shell

>Not dystopian

nigga what?

>>46777

Trips confirm.

>>46777

In what world would GitS be considered dystopian? I think it's a pretty clear example of a post-cyberpunk work (which isn't a bad thing).

>>46723

>>46658

It took a bit to get going, but I think the first season was great. The last episodes were fantastic and that ending sequence was art. Season two was fun but not as good as the first.

I would argue it is a cyberpunk fiction though. It's a "utopian" society, but it's held together only by convicts who can commit to doing the dirty work. Plus, the AI holding together society is actually a bunch of sociopathic human brains networked together. I think that's enough "edge" to qualify for the "low-life" requirement.

>>46636

>a society that seems like a utopia on the surface but

>thinking that that society even appeared to be utopian at any point

get a load of this shazbot

>>46894

>In what world would GitS be considered dystopian?

The one of people who actually watched it.

>crime everywhere

>corruption rampant

>human rights thrown out the window

>corporations more powerful then nations

>environmental devastation

>massive wealth gap

>whole setting post nuclear world war

>>46727

Still, the question wasn't whether it's shit or not, just whether it's cyberpunk and it is. It's also one of the better cyberpunk anime works, when you consider how much of the genre is really, really bad. I mean not every show is Ghost in the Shell or Lain, the majority of it is stuff like Genocyber.

>>46901

After watching SAC, it doesn't seem as if GitS is dystopian, just a less-desirable reality. GitS 1996 seemed more leaning on the dystopian side, but really only because it had a set piece that was dirtier. And even then, it's more like Detroit or maybe Flint, not close to dystopian. That being said, cyberpunk does not have to be in a dystopian setting at all. Hell, that would make DADoES the first cyberpunk novel.