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File: 9bde3b1e2584c1c⋯.jpg (35.47 KB, 802x600, 401:300, 1470683916213.jpg)

 No.43899

Hello fellow chummers,

I just found this article about youtube (therefore google) to train 5000 kids in the 9th and 10th class (most of them will be around 14-16 years old) to detect hate speech on the net. This may sound like a good idea, but let me tell you why I think it is not. The article (german) and a tl;dr can be found at the end of this post.

Most of you know this already, but germany made bad news the last months, because "we" opened "our borders" to "welcome refugees" from war zones, mostly of syria and such. I just want to clarify some things before I come back to google, because they are important (at least to me): "we" did not want this. The whole thing may be a monumental act of kindness, but it lead to a lot of problems and anyone who thinks that the last months of terror in europe do not correlate to the unbelievable high number of refugees is, in my honestest opinion, blind. Of course, there was and is resistance: People who don't want that, but they are marked as idiots, assholes, nazis; you name it. But to be fair, there are a lot very right winged people here to refugee-bait (reading: jew-baiting for refugees). The aforementioned article does not pick up this debate and problem at all, but since they want to fight hate, discrimination, and insults. My point is: Some ultra right winged people do these things and the state should take care of them, if they harm someone, but just being against something is one's right of free opinion and speech. But it is a dangerous thing to do, because a lot of people already lost their jobs because of this, so the most people keep quiet. The refugee crisis and this project are highly connected, but I fear that it does not stop there. It will serve as a cloak for the things to come.

Some of you may remember the DDR aka. the German Democratic Republic (short GDR), I do not, but their methods were as effective as vile. In short, everyone who was unpopular (to the system, to one's neighbours, to ones colleagues at work) has to be _very_ afraid of being denounced; often without proof, imagine a modern witch hunt in the 1990s. And the media lies. Call me a scaredy-cat, an idiot, whatever, but we live in a time of mass-media control: We are told what we have to know for whatever reason "they" think of. Free speech dies piece by piece on every level of our society and with all this angst in mind I see this article.

Google wants to train around 5000 kids to locate "hate speech", but they do not clarify what hate speech is. I have a bad feeling that some 14-16 years old kids (call bs on this statement, but around 95-99 % of of kids this age can't be taken serious at all) are in charge to point their fingers at something a multinational concern defines as "hate speech", "discrimination", or whatever for them. Where does it begin? Right winged posts about actual political topics? Very likely. But what in the long run? Gender debate? Religion? Or something as simple as one's opinion about anything. I fear a state where you "hate" because you have a different opinion. This is an instrument which should not be given to anyone, especially not to kids. Ok, they just say that the user "cuddle-mouse" said something about some topic, the post will be deleted, that's it. But will that be all for the next years? I think this project will be successful: Increasing its manpower and expertise (better staff, more topics), more mandatory courses on schools (hard coded in the curriculums) and so on. The worst case would be, if the system establishes rights to "hurt" individuals to go to court because someone hurt their feelings; I remember the anecdote of the PTSD-fêmme. These adjustements are very unlikely the next 20-30 years, I think, but what then?

tl;dr: Google trains 5000 kids to detect hate speech without defining the scope (google-media only or other sites too?; what topics? what consequences for the "bad apples"?), leading to a small GDR-like taskforce of an international corporation and the german minister of women.

This really frightens me. What do you think? Will this idea backfire?

Also: What search sites and mail providers are worthy to look in? I want to turn my back to google as a search engine and mail provider, but their search results and mail service is too good in my opinion.

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Here the link to the article (german only)

http://blogs.faz.net/deus/2016/09/29/google-youtube-und-schwesig-mit-grundrechtablehnung-an-die-schulen-3746/

 No.43900

I thought they were already pulling this shit on kids in Germany. What surprises me is that it would start now of all times, and not already be well established.

That being said, it's a predictable move, and I'll avoid pointing out the obvious correlation to 1984.

Your country's in a shitty state, and getting worse by the second. If big change doesn't happen soon and fast, your only hope will be if Russia decides to invade Europe and march right through you.

On your other note, I personally reacommend openmailbox as a mail provider. I've had them a for a little over a year now, and I'm pretty satisfied.

With all that out of the way, what is this doing on /cyber/ of all places? This may be dystopian and low life, but it's not high tech. I'd recommend a more politically oriented board for this.


 No.43901

File: d7143a266b972ee⋯.jpg (34.01 KB, 492x456, 41:38, funny-pictures-cat-uses-te….jpg)

Yes, the high technical aspect got lost a bit, but it's as simple as straightforward: Google, THE high tech company right now with everything from an internet search engine to an autonomous driving car wants to train kids to find "bad apples" on the (their?) web.

In other words: A multinational corporation starts working with governments to train kids not to learn complex (= high tech) technical aspects of social internet platforms, but to report and punish unwanted user behavior. So, this corp. does define moral definitions like good and bad, which is the job of society and its members. It's only natural that this corp. wants to save the integrity, wishes, and hopes it has for its tech and platforms, but it is not the job of trained kids. This is high tech as it is concerning.

This is even more concerning as the selection of named corp. products, services and their quality (not gonna lie: Their stuff is simple and good) increases year by year and will affect even more aspects of our lives in the future (they plan to join the public healthcare system from HISs to medical visualizations).

So, as the high tech aspect got motivated in retrospect, what tech can we use to be not be dependent from their products? We can't drive their cars, use their phones, or wear their glasses, but what about the software and service aspects on the web? I'm honest: If I want to find something, I search with their engine and I even find it when I used semantic differences.

So openmailbox for mails, but what about the search engine? University research for articles and papers (scholar.*), maps and stuff? I don't want to depend on them anymore.

I guess >>43900 is right about that this may be the wrong audience, but on the one hand I think there are a lot of techs here that share my thoughts and dreams and plan or already live outside of this corps fangs. On the other hand: Yes, a more political forum may be better, but I don't want to focus on the social and political aspect here, but on the technical possibilities and alternatives, which I thought this all is about. And I'm frank and honest in the end: Halfchans /g/ and /pol/ suck.


 No.43902

Is this connected somehow to that Youtube Heroes thing?

>what about the search engine?

Pick your poison: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_search_engines


 No.43904

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>>43900

Cyberpunk is first political. I don't understand your point. Google, the biggest head of the hydra created by the CIA is trying to influence the young generation into pure delation (Orwell…).

How is this not the purest cyberpunk?

Do you think cyberpunk is just about fun, computer, and "edgy kids"?

You don't understand what true cyberpunk is. True cyberpunk is a pure liberal capitalistic unified world. It's the vision that defends the libero-mondialist of today: A pure liberal world, with a new world order, centered on jerusalem. A world in which you don't use a gun to rob a bank, but a computer from your bed. A world when you're watch to the paroxism. A world when the compliant is deified, and the resistant passed as a terrorist.

Leave from here if you just want to implant yourself with RFID chips or cut off your legs for a prostetic one. You're just the pure product of this society I'm describing. Cyberpunk is resistance.


 No.43905

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>>43904

I get your point but I did not mean it that drastically when I created the thread, but on the other hand it's even funnier (read: ironic): I understand google, or whatever big corp. for that matter, as a functional part of society, as it has a bigger responsibilities regarding society and its morals (and stuff). And in some way the project I criticized does that: They teach the kids to fight the things that are wrong on the web, some sort of cyber-police. And some part in me thinks, that this is a good thing (I even thought that when I created this thread), but I fear, that this sort of new power is used as a tool of indoctrination in the long run, leading to the snowball I mentioned twice before. They even criticize the government and law, because there are no rules and breaks to take care of "hate speech" or whatever they want to fight.

That being said, the whole thing becomes ironic as they used their current location in ireland as a safe haven for taxes; the system is more complex as my following joke, but they kinda cut the financial help for all the kid's caretakers, that they will teach (I know that I'm talking about two different nations).


 No.43907

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>>43905

I understand you. You're gonna be really disappointed about the world, if you think yet that what you're fearing of is not the actual goal of this program.

Read this very well made article:

http://archive.is/wW5kb

You'll understand what is the real problem with the "hate speech" and "trigger" culture.

Besides this article, the goal is to apply a pure control other internet concerning ideology and good thinking. The goal is to reproduce the "big firewall" from china which ban everything which turn down the general propaganda, but in a none perceptible way (like the USA always did with everything. You can make the same comparison between USA/USSR. One had goulags, the other psychatric hospitals).


 No.43909

>>43907

Thanks for the good article. But with the thread's main article in the opening now the industry aka. the part they should be prepare for steps into the ring and fuels the fire of anxiety.

Furthermore a lot of working places complain about a paradigm shift in teaching, which is similar to the critique in the article: The young students don't learn hard skills like reading, writing, calculus and stuff but soft skills and "competences". That means that they are not able to apply pythagora's theorem, but they know where to look it up. This plus the circumstance that emotional feelings are more important than facts will lead to a crippled society.

There should be projects to teach kids the complexity of social networks, graph theory, technical aspects how to create a system on a sheet of paper and what are the necessary steps to make it real like requirement analysis and so on. And the irony is: Google would be THE company to ask these questions, because the answers are most likely best-practice and top notch. But they prefer to teach these kids how to detect "hate speech" and criticism until they will come to this special point in life where someone says "NO" to team, or things like "Asshole". They never learned to cope with that and some of them will break.


 No.43931

>>43899

>This may sound like a good idea

No, it doesn't. Now, stop posting walls of text you fucking autist. I don't have time to read all that shit.


 No.44393

>>43901

But even if they would be the best to teach kids useful stuff, why would they? Would it be profitable to Google? Probably not. Remember the last words heard by Comrade Kuze: "Your country has no need for charismatic leaders that can't be controlled. Docile consumers, that's the ticket."

Also you say that deciding morals is the job of society, but the line between private and public, or corporations and state gets blurred as the former gains power. What is good for the state, eventually becomes good for big business in a later-stage capitalist economy.


 No.44400

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>>43899

tl;dr: plebs are blue-pilled perma-goyim that listen to mainstream media, don't care about their rights and have been shielded from all the "bad things" this cosmos of retardation can throw at them. The result is that now no one can function outside of safespaces and thus they all happily agree to mark even the slightest confrontational comments with different sociopolitical views (ones that go against the "status quo") on the internet as "hate speech". Hell, they'll actually believe it should be banned. They're so fucking lost to their societal programming they can't even see political opinions other than theirs as anything but illiterate racist rednecks.

I'm tired of normies, everything they touch turns to actual shit.


 No.44404

>>43901

>>43902

Your options for a search engine since I already went through that list:

Searx

Qwant/Qwant Lite

Startpage/ixquick

MetaGer

Yacy

Unbubble.eu

base-search.net (for academic research)


 No.44405

>>44400

Dubs means is true.

No but really, I keep hearing this "hate speech" thing and it sounds like downright censorship. When did people give up the idea of "free speech" and started accepting the idea of "hate speech" as something that should be censored?

What's worse is that blanks will actually defend this so there's mostly no point in trying to talk with normales about it, even remotely.

I asked my mother why Mein Kampf (and I'm not even a /pol/kid or a nazi or anything) is illegal, and she said "hate speech", so it is indeed another word for censorship…

cyberpunk times we're living brahs, for real, it's funny how it is not remotely fiction anymore.


 No.44408

5000 german kids is little more than a token gesture. The real concern are deep learning algorithms doing that same job unrelentlessly, without an option to appeal, without you even knowing. If you can't access information it might as well not exist…


 No.44442

Nobody should be allowed to voice their hateful opinions


 No.44718

I don't the problem is people are giving up free speech in order to fight against hate speech, I think people still think they have free speech. But what they consider to be hate speech is now getting broader. I bet in some schools in the US you could get in trouble, or at least have people try to get you in trouble, for questioning if a racist or sexist attack really happened. I mean, wouldn't you get in trouble in Germany for questioning if the Holocaust actually happened?

What you're saying about a global megacorp having this kind of power, to decide what is hate speech and then already controlling the mechanisms by which removal/deletion would be carried out. And then to be recruiting people so young as to not know any better, it does seem dystopian. It's an amazing world we're living in, comparable or competitive with our imaginations.

I'm hopeful thanks to Donald Trumps victory. It shows that just because the people in power are drinking their own kool-aid, doesnt mean they have absolute control. They said everything they could about Trump, and he still won, hasn't been arrested for hate speech, etc. So while the elite may be moving at full speed, it doesn't mean they actually have tangible control, they've only convinced themselves they do.


 No.44738

It's really interesting to read the crazy amount of juggling and rationalizing you chummers need to do in order to be "against corps" while keeping your racist ideas at the same time.

>if corps are doing it, it must be bad!

Corps promote multiculturalism because it's the inevitable consequence of globalization. But the fact that they are privatizing the social commons doesn't bother you as much as the fact that they are doing it in a way that goes against your white supremacist prejudices. You'd think people that are at least a little familiar with transhumanism would have gotten the point that all humans are equally shitty…

>muh free spech!

Gee, guess a perfect society should just let religious obscurantists brainwash people with their bullshit, or let tarot and palm readers rip off the ignorant. No. You have to take your stance on what is truth and right and leave behind the liberal bullshit of "I disagree with your opinion but I'd give my life for your right to say it" because that's just what the corps want you to think.


 No.44741

>>44738

>It's really interesting to read the crazy amount of juggling and rationalizing you chummers need to do in order to be "against corps"

>that's just what the corps want you to think.

He says.

Unironically.

In the same breath.

All while screaming "racist".

Don't worry my dude I have what you came for. Enjoy this (You) while you still can.


 No.44743

nice argument chummer


 No.44745

>>44738

Being free to say what someone else wants you to say isn't being free.

The idea behind free speech isn't to be nice to each other and promote multiculturalism, it's to be able to speak your goddamned mind. Nobody benefits from having to toe the line.

After all, if you have to toe the line, it puts power in the hands of whoever draws the line.


 No.44753

>>44718

Or perhaps they do have control and trump is a red herring


 No.44964

>>44442

>>44738

You two must be trolling.


 No.45125

>>44404

May I ask what is wrong with DuckDuckGo?


 No.45129

Next on the agenda is fake news to target facts. Ghost banning is also becoming a popular censorship method on social media.

The racism/hate speak route has somewhat lost its effect in some regions due to the overall backlash against the refugee crisis, but it still has some power. Especially when tied to wageslave work situations, as being labled a racist could make you lose your job.


 No.45131

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>44738

I'm from a full-on dystopia third world country…

Believe me, there's no crazy juggling/rationalizations going on. I know plenty of 'muricans are racists. Still, I prefer to know their actual believes/prejudices/… towards me instead of foreign megacorps feigning reality so rich people from first world countries(even your poor are rich to us) don't feel 'unsafe'.

>white supremacist prejudices

>religious obscurantists

The fuck are you talking about??? There's an actual world outside of wherever you echo chamber around


 No.45134

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>>44405

Companies like Google and Facebook essentially control the populace's perception of reality because they are in a position to add or remove news from the public eye. They're using this "fake news" thing as an excuse to purge dissenting opinions.


 No.45135

>>43899

the war is coming

the rebels will be those least collectivized


 No.45137

>>45125

https://8ch.net/tech/ddg.html


 No.45510

>>43900

>what is this doing on /cyber/ of all places?

Next step: Google trains neural networks to detect hate speech.

don't forget what is Google is


 No.47553

tl;dr

German reunion was a mistake.



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