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As someone who has abstained from Apple products since becoming even remotely tech literate; Does this change how we feel about Apple?
https://archive.is/vpMeg
I still resent them and use strictly modded Android and Linux because I believe in it. It's just that the world isn't as black and white as our heroes like to paint it.
▶ No.40630>>40665 >>40704
>>40627 (OP)
I struggle to see this as anything other than a PR stunt.
Apple wants to look like it cares about users privacy and fix it unsecure reputation after hashtag fappening.
ALPHABETSOUP wants to look like it's not as powerfull and omnipresent as it is and fix it's reputation after Snowden leaks.
They calloborate to stage a fake trial, where Apple "protects users from FBI" over some shitty screen locker gimmick.
Meanwhile ALPHABETSOUP lauthes and masturbares all over your nudes, having direct access to your iCloud storage.
▶ No.40637>>41013
>>40627 (OP)
>Does this change how we feel about Apple?
No.
The point is that if you're using a proprietary OS you can never know if it has a backdoor or not. It may not have a backdoor now, but they can put it in quietly in next update.
The fact that you can never be sure if your OS has a backdoor is good enough argument to not use it.
If you want to be sure that your OS has no backdoor, you have to use open source OS and check its security hash.
▶ No.40638>>44077
apple is still a fascist control freak surveillance corporation that supports illegal drone assassinations.
and they allegedly asked the FBI to make their request under seal so that apple could comply without anyone knowing.
you'd have to be an idiot to think that apple changed.
▶ No.40649
>>40627 (OP)
No. It's pure marketing and PR. If there's any sincerity and real security, it's solely to capitalize on the growing push for privacy.
▶ No.40665
>>40630
This completely
the whole FBI - Apple fight is a meme. The NASA has been completely quiet because they know they can break that shit whenever they want, they probably know all existing Apple backdoors. Think about it, who wins more with all this? Fucking Apple. All people everywhere will be like "wew lad, Apple cares about my privacy dey gud, let's buy more crapware". marketing and PR and native ads at its best.
▶ No.40694
If anything it's made me a bit more sympathetic towards the government
▶ No.40703>>40704 >>40706
Prepare to engage full tinfoil mode.
I believe it's purely show, on both sides and both sides know it's all theatre. The FBI can crack that phone and knows that phone has nothing of value on it, they were just two crazies who did something in the name of something. Apple is already in bed with every government agency, but is allowed to put up this show for their PR.
But it's not just PR for Apple, it's also PR for the gov't, to pretend like they're not already all powerful, when in fact they already fucking are.
▶ No.40704
>>40703
Oops, kinda missed >>40630 which said pretty much the same.
▶ No.40706
>>40703
yeah, now all crooks and terrorist be like "dam I just use iPhone coz it's uncrackable".
Like that "we can't snoop on skype calls" shit that was spouted a few years ago. Until Snowden leaks proved that they always were able to snoop on Skype.
Don't trust anyone.
▶ No.40895>>40902 >>40906 >>40908
FBI cracks phone without help from Apple
https://archive.is/lkUCF
Told ya.
Hotwheels let me post you nigger.
▶ No.40902
>>40895
I'm only surprised by how fast this showed up.
I expected them to milk this drama for at least another month.
▶ No.40906>>40919
>>40895
I am utterly disgusted by Apple: "Our phones are uncrackable buy our products."
"Halp silicon valley FBI is bullying us."
"We are cool, we no longer need to go to court with the FBI, buy our products."
So much PR and advertisement.
▶ No.40908
>>40895
Like the FBI ever need help anyway with it's own cyber division at hand. The NSA would probably happily help them anyway if asked.
It's theater.
▶ No.40919>>41218
>>40906
>implying Apple stated their shit is unbreakable
>implying Apple asked for help from the tech industry
>implying Apple pushed for sales because of all this
nice facts, shazbot
▶ No.40920
They just had yet another case of dumb sluts getting their vag pics haxored out of icloud
Not saying this situation its entirely PR, just that apple decided to signal boost this shit in order to use it as free publicity
▶ No.40962
US says it would use “court system” again to defeat encryption
https://archive.is/uiQbB
Apparently, somehow, in some mysterious way they see this as a precedent, although there is none, since they decided not to sue Apple.
Not to mention the FBI's rhetoric about how it was not about setting a precedent, just about Unlocking One Phone®.
▶ No.40976
Hasn't Apple unlocked phones as a result of court orders many times before? Now they just refuse because it looks good to protect a minority under the spotlight.
Unfortunately most people will eat it up, despite the fact that Apple could very well have endangered more lives by refusing this court order.
Apple will never be better by refusing court orders like this. They still hold the key to the user's property. The users themselves are most safe when the primary method of security is in their hands alone.
▶ No.41013>>41033 >>48269
>>40637
>If you want to be sure that your OS has no backdoor, you have to use open source OS
Don't perpetuate this nonsense. You should assume that every security vulnerability can possibly be a purposely placed back door. And there's been a lot of high profile cases in the various packages and libraries that make up a modern Linux system. I mean, look at fucking glibc.
▶ No.41014>>41020 >>41022 >>48269
I know someone who works in law enforcement, he says that encrypted iPhones can be decrypted with software in the hands of law enforcement already.
▶ No.41020
>>41014
Anything than can be encrypted can will be decrypted.
▶ No.41022>>41023
>>41014
>my dad works for nintendo
▶ No.41023>>41045 >>48269
>>41022
>implying it's not true, regardless.
▶ No.41033
>>41013
Not the User you're replying to, but a backdoor is different from a vulnerability because it is an intentional vulnerability. With closed source software all you ever get is an executable blob which could be chock-full of backdoors -- or not. Open Source software give you the opportunity to prevent this from happening, of course this is only possible if you take the time to verify the authenticity, otherwise you'll be as fucked as those people who downloaded Linux Mint from the hacked website.
It's not a silver bullet, at all, but it is a good protection against intentionally placed backdoors as opposed to trusting MegaCorp Inc. to not fuck up your shit.
Also the reasoning because there have been vulnerabilities in [random FOSS project], you might as well install Windows 10, Skype, get a Facebook and Twitter and link them to your Google account, is like saying you're going to jump into a lukewarm mile-deep pool of shit because a bird shat on you.
▶ No.41049
>>41045
Read a book. Or at least the news.
>Try harder.
▶ No.41173>>41202
Top FBI Attorney Worried About WhatsApp Encryption
https://archive.is/Ez1Qw
Oh look the FBI is 'worried', who still believes anything those three letter agencies say?
▶ No.41202>>41204
>>41173
So what's up with them enabling encryption for everyone? Tech-literate brownie points?
▶ No.41204>>41206
>>41202
Marketing. It's probably still knee-deep in your metadata, and maybe even in your actual data. There is no way you can trust them with your data, seeing it's Facebook we're dealing with here.
▶ No.41206>>41212 >>41215
>>41204
>no way you can trust them with your data
So what exactly are the hypothetical ways they could access the contents of the messages? I'm assuming the open source encryption protocol they're using doesn't have room for a "master key" or a way to figure out users' private keys, so is the only other possible backdoor that the proprietary app doesn't actually use the protocol?
▶ No.41212>>41215
>>41206
not that guy, but as long as we can't build the app from source, you can't really trust it because there's no way of knowing what they're doing internally
they could log the random seed or the numbers used to calculate the private keys, or force the algorithm to use random numbers that they know part of, meaning they'd still have to brute force it, but it could be trivial to do for them and whoever else has the random numbers
heck, for all we know they could be mitm-ing their "end-to-end" encryption, it's hard to know unless you can check what's going on internally in the app
▶ No.41215
>>41206
I am that guy, and I agree with >>41212
Not to mention the app may send a copy (encrypted or plain text) to their own servers for indexing.
You simply have to trust them to not fuck your shit up, which I don't trust Facebook with, at all.
I hoped the Signal app would be the answer, since even your mother could use it if she could use WhatsApp, but sadly enough it uses the Google services, which renders it unusable for me.
▶ No.41218
>>40919
Apple fanboi detected. After all this shitstorm who do you think ended up being the good guys, freaking Apple.
▶ No.41330>>41341 >>41382
In the end, the only safe internet browsing machines are Thinkpad T420s through VPN and i2p.
Also, don't use javascript.
Basically, alphabettis have potential access to everything, but because they're a government agency, they are severely incompetent. Most of their high-profile busts are lucky guesses or mistakes by the perpetrator. If they managed to pull something amazing off, they wouldn't tell us.
▶ No.41341>>41361
>>41330
>Thinkpad T420s
Why this particular model, anon?
I agree on the notion of JavaScript, be very careful with the stuff you enable on your computer (uMatrix works wonders).
▶ No.41361
>>41341
>T420
I just got that, lol.
You know, I used to know this Australian small-press cartoonist, Clint Q-Ray, a former youth worker who drew in a Vaughn Bode/graffiti style, and one comic he did was "Terminator Bong", a robot bong sent back from the future to get us wasted.
His model number totally should have been the T-420, lol.
The actual laptop seems pretty good, magnesium rollcage chassis, spillproof keyboard, even a fingerprint scanner on some models.
▶ No.41382>>41458
>>41330
>VPN
wtf why would you do that? VPN totally undermines your anonymity.
▶ No.41454
FBI Couldn't Tell Apple What Hack It Used, Even If It Wanted To
https://archive.is/3SFDo
It's like the FBI doesn't even need credibility, they know they can do whatever they want and get away with it. As long as it doesn't spell out exactly what their intentions are they can just hide behind whatever shitty excuse they can come up with just so it can 'hold up' in court.
▶ No.41458
>>41382
Depends on how you use it. If it's paid in brouzouf and you're merely using it as a first hop to obscure your location then it can be useful. Defense in depth.
VPN is also the simplest way to not get hit with copyright fuckery, which is becoming a bigger threat than it used to be.
▶ No.44077
>>40638
Yet many forget Android is owned by Google, which is either as corrupt, or more corrupt than Apple, in privacy and theater.
▶ No.48269
>>41013
This is a useless approach to anything. Why stop at technology. Assume your mom is spying on you 24x7 for the government. In fact, everyone is. Also there are cameras everywhere 24x7 monitored by active agents for you. Rooms all bugged. All interactions scripted with government moles. You can't even buy an ice cream without buying from government worker in disguise. Whole board is gov run. All computers. All operating systems. There is infinite risk, and so basically, just do nothing.
>>41014
>>41023
Assuming routine cops can keep any kind of secret. Shitty local law enforcement uses premade commerecial forensic tools not tao gear.
This whole board is just LARP.
▶ No.48270
I am Considering a G4 Power book right now. Non x86 , runs openbsd , has wireless, and modern digital video out (DVI).
▶ No.48278
>>40627 (OP)
Android is 100x worse than Apple. Over 90% of Google's revenue comes from online advertising, which in turn depends on mass profiling and data-mining. Their business model is built on selling out your privacy. By contrast, Apple's biggest sin is marking up their hardware excessively. Consumerism isn't exactly cyber, I'm not endorsing Apple, but remember you're living in the Information Age. Privacy is the most important thing you can own. Ideally switch to Sailfish OS, but at the very least, root your Android and clear out the bloatware.