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 No.406253

I wish to have an honest answer to the following questions.

Ignoring how "unnatural" homosexuality is.

>Is it contradictory to further support the traditional family and not express sexual preferences openly?

>Can sexual orientation in the end be just a detail that should not affect other characteristics of a person?

>Is it wrong to have "normal" attitude and only express desire in intimacy?

>Is it possible to live far from the LGTB Lobby and only be concerned about one' s self?

>Can I be " non straight " without being degenerated?

I'm sorry if these are dumb questions.

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 No.406254

>>406253

>Is it contradictory to further support the traditional family and not express sexual preferences openly?

Not necessarily. Had a teacher who was gay, he had a wife and two kids.

>Can sexual orientation in the end be just a detail that should not affect other characteristics of a person?

I can, but it does make up a lot of the characteristics

>Is it wrong to have "normal" attitude and only express desire in intimacy?

Define "normal". It is possible to have such relations, and it isn't wrong.

>Is it possible to live far from the LGTB Lobby and only be concerned about one' s self?

It is, and honestly it can be recommended in some cases.

>Can I be " non straight " without being degenerated?

Have you ever seen straight porn? Such stuff is sometimes degenerate to the point where being gay and taking it up the butt makes you look like a saint.

Only cause you aint straight…it doesn't mean you are a degenerate. Honestly that word is thrown around so much as a meme that it's lost it's meaning.

This all looks like "do I have to be flamboyant to be gay?". The answer is no.

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 No.406528

I don't give a shit what people do as long as it doesn't affect others negatively. For example, I don't mind two gays raising kids, the problems start when they try to convince the innocent kids that they're also gay or trans or whatever when they haven't even hit puberty and don't understand sexuality yet. Similarly, fags are annoying IRL when they make their sexuality their entire personality with the limp wrist and the meme lisp and dressing obnoxiously. I knew a guy once who was a perfectly normal adult male, particularly well groomed but it was a white collar office environment so I didn't think much of it. I didn't know he was gay until one day I jokingly said "what are you, gay?" and he replied "yeah." If all homosexuals were like him then nobody would have a problem with it. I try to emulate that since meeting him. I'd suck a dick, but nobody in my life needs to know that, unless I want to suck their dick. Why would they? There's no reason to bring it up. It's not staying in the closet, it's refraining from throwing my laundry all over everyone I meet. I also dislike hetero locker room talk, I think people's personal lives should remain personal. It ruins the intimacy of lovemaking when you go to your friends the next day and describe it. It's not special anymore because talking about it with someone other than your partner has reduced it to the same level as any other topic you'd discuss with them.

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 No.406539

So I've always held the opinion that yes you can still have a traditional family in a gay relationship. It's a bout a feminine and masculine personality. The problem with most gay couples is they aren't actually having that combination instead their children are being raised by two men or a faggot and a man. a faggoty personality is far different than a feminine one.

In public most people view me and my boyfriend as just friends because we don't shove it in peoples faces even our friends at the gun range have no idea. As long as you aren't flammingly gay or obnoxious everything can be on the down low. I don't understand people wanting to shove their gayness into peoples faces.

Fuck the LGBT lobby they can burn in hell for their filthy degenerate ideology. Just ignore them they are a cancer on society.

No you can't be non-straight and not be degenerate but you just have to know and accept that you are. Just mitigate how much of your degeneracy you display to others. Out of sight out of mind.

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 No.406556

>>406253

>Is it possible to live far from the LGTB Lobby and only be concerned about one' s self?

Of course.

"LGBT" is a load of bullshit, by the way. Sexual orientation and "gender identity" are completely different, have different goals, and have different underlying philosophies. One of the fundamental principles for acceptance of the LGB part is "to each their own". Some may find it distasteful, but it's none of their business. There's more of course, but that's part of it. Meanwhile, the T is entirely based in making it other people's business. If you ignore it entirely, you are their worst enemy. They demand that everyone must always, without fail, accede to their demands. Of course, the pridefags on the LGB side of things do that too, which is why it's all combined into "LGBT", but in their case the sexuality is just a means, and is not inextricable from the principle like it is for trannies.

>>Can I be " non straight " without being degenerated?

efine "degenerated" in a way other than "things I don't like".

When I describe something as "degenerate" in the context of sexual morality, it's because I view it as rejecting the important parts of sexuality in favour of lesser ones.

A person is degenerate in a sexual sense if they reject higher emotional function, humanity, and intimacy in favour of basal, animalistic, primitive physical pleasure, and I describe this as "degenerate" because it represents a decline or degradation, a loss of potential. It is like tearing down a building and letting the lot sit vacant and useless, filled with nothing but dirt, broken concrete, and garbage. I'm not remotely saying sex shouldn't physically feel good, I should point out. Only that it is bad for the pursuit of feeling good to lead you to disregard the things that make humanity superior. Feel good while making love, not by using someone else's body to masturbate.

None of that has to do with who's fucking whom, and applies equally well to any pairing of males and females.

Of course the LGBT lobby doesn't see it this way, and are only in it for hedonistic pleasure, despite all their talk of being about "love".

I leave out reproduction since it can go either way. In some cases it's simply fetishized, and in other cases the desire to start a family is driven by the same kind of emotional intimacy as the sex itself. In any event, while it's the reason sex exists, that doesn't require that it is or should be the main reason sex happens, an important distinction. Some argue that it's an important part of why they think homosexuality is degenerate, but I usually respond by asking if it's degenerate for a man to have sex with his infertile wife, or even if she's fertile but they know it's a part of her cycle where she won't be impregnated.

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 No.406559

>Is it contradictory to further support the traditional family and not express sexual preferences openly?

Nope and about the rest, it's a moral shit, people don't say around "heey, I like fish pussy, heeeeey, I'm straight, c'mon, suck my dick, bitch" like faggots do and make a parade walking naked with kids around. So, has a pretty much good reason to kill faggots even if you remove the "sin shit".

>Can sexual orientation in the end be just a detail that should not affect other characteristics of a person?

Yeah, it's just a detail, but people started to live around this shit. If I was there when the faggots gone out and said "heeey, stop kill me, I'm a human being too" and I just would kill everyone, not because they was horrible people and shit, but because the fact they was just MALES with the detail being gay I just would say "hey man, this guys are normal but they like dicks, I'm not a religious people, so, cool man" and this is the problem, this opened space for the currently faggots, degenerates animals and horrible people. Fuck, I hate faggots, just kill faggots.

>Is it wrong to have "normal" attitude and only express desire in intimacy?

IT'S THE FRICKING ETIQUETTE, PEOPLE THAT ACT LIKE TEEN WITH TONS HORMONES IN PUBLIC ARE ANIMALS, BEING FAGGOT OR NOT, JUST KILL.

>Is it possible to live far from the LGTB Lobby and only be concerned about one' s self?

It's the obvious thimg, if you have any moral shit, you will stay away of LGTB shit and if you have guts, you will do a massacre in any faggot parade, unfortunatelly I've not.

>Can I be " non straight " without being degenerated?

Do you want know? Being degenerated is not the problem, being degenerated in public is the problem, if you like bdsm (i like) and do this shit in your privacy place, anyone will care. So, as a etiquette shit, keep your private shit in your privacy.

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 No.406560

>>406539

>So I've always held the opinion that yes you can still have a traditional family in a gay relationship. It's a bout a feminine and masculine personality. The problem with most gay couples is they aren't actually having that combination instead their children are being raised by two men or a faggot and a man. a faggoty personality is far different than a feminine one.

If the most straight couple are not able to raise children, imagine faggots. Has so much problems about letting faggots to adopt children, even if the gay couple is able to raise a MAN (it's almost impossible any couple raise a MAN today, if he became a man, it's because he would will anyway) and principally don't rape him, it's a minority of minority, because gays are minority in the world and people that will raise a MAN are minority, then try out find a minority inside a minority.

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 No.406572

>>406253

Your questions are loaded with /pol/ ideology and memes. It is ok that you're posing those questions, but you might also wish to question all those assumptions behind them too. Are concepts like the unnaturalness of homosexuality, LGBT lobby and "degeneracy" really something that should be taken for granted?

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 No.406576

>>406572

*eye roll*

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 No.406578

>>406572

I agree, even if is CORRECT is necessary he nderstand the thing behind them by himself.

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 No.406579

>>406578

by the way, apply this shit in your whole life. Do you know that something is correct but why is it correct? This is a good thing for the people.

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 No.406615

>>406576

>hey maybe pol isn't right about everything?

>*eye roll*

much facts

such logic

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 No.406616

>>406253

Sexuality isn't rational at all. You don't rationally justify what turns you on or is attractive to you nor do you rationalize your lustful hormonal based thoughts, they're primal and instinctual.

As for it being unnatural the majority of biological science disagrees with that as it's constantly found in nature and can be justified from an evolutionary perspective. All this said yes you can be gay and not march n pride parades while throwing dildos at everyone. The meme of the gigantic flaming faggot is not the majority of gay people, the typical fag is indistinguishable from the typical straight in most cases.

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 No.406618

>>406615

>Thinks everyone who might possibly be different in political views are Hitler worshiping faggots

>Doesn't understand that using the argument 'But question everything bro' isn't a regurgitated and useless philosophical statement that doesn't move a conversation forward nor answer the question in a meaningful way

>Expects a facts based argument rather than just shrugged off because he totally brought a bunch of facts to counter argument what anyone else was saying in the thread or answer the OPs questions

Such Logic!

Contribute to the conversation next time.

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 No.406630

>>406618

>>Thinks everyone who might possibly be different in political views are Hitler worshiping faggots

And when did I say that?

>>Doesn't understand that using the argument 'But question everything bro' isn't a regurgitated and useless philosophical statement that doesn't move a conversation forward nor answer the question in a meaningful way

OP looks confused by his situation, it seems contradictory, but he doesn't seem to question the premises that brought him here at all. I don't feel the duty to explain every single thing to everyone, I've been in enough pointless and lengthy internet fights not to have interest in this. I simply wanted to call OP's attention to one aspect of his worldview that might use some rethinking.

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 No.408852

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This is an interesting topic. I find it very curious that certain types (yes, I refer to Christianity here, but implicitly also other Abrahamic faiths) try and memetically cement the word 'unnatural' to male-male affection. If my own personal sensory perception is any guide, I think most men are able to appreciate the esthetic of the male body, though many won't say so to save face. I am not promiscuous in my platonic habits (I regard loyalty highly in friends, and thus have few of them) and I don't think sexual promiscuity is the way to a proper life. Long term partners kept fairly quiet seems to be ideal.

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 No.408854

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>Can I be " non straight " without being degenerated?

Sodomy is already a sin faggot.

like god damn, at least KNOW what you're going to hell for.

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 No.408892

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>>408854

>going to hell

There's no such thing pal. Consider that calling something a sin fails to persuade anyone that doesn't believe in god.

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 No.408896

>>406253

>Is it contradictory to further support the traditional family and not express sexual preferences openly?

why would it be?

>Can sexual orientation in the end be just a detail that should not affect other characteristics of a person?

ideally it should be but i dont think it can be. its something that shapes the way we see things. However its an issue that plagues faggots and i hate it. it it isn't a personality characteristic and isn't something that needs to be expressed by either orientation.

>Is it wrong to have "normal" attitude and only express desire in intimacy?

no? why would it be?

>Is it possible to live far from the LGTB Lobby and only be concerned about one' s self?

yes. i think its the way we SHOULD live.

>Can I be " non straight " without being degenerated?

i certainly like to think so. i think the truth is no but where we are in society if you're moderately conservative (american standards) then you can be less degenerate than straights.

>I'm sorry if these are dumb questions.

i just wish they were written better. i like the idea of having this discussion; just wish i had more to respond to

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 No.408913

>>408892

nice fedora, LEAF

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 No.409845

>>406253

Homosexuality is actually very common in nature. Especially in giraffes.

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 No.410036

You know what I dont get? Why is it being gay, people go "youre a pedophile" yet alot of straight men want adolescent girls yet they're not called pervs bc of their sexual orientation, only their age preferences?

Anyway, hebegynophilia is not gross or sick but its overrated.

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 No.411536

>>406253

yeah. I do it. It's called not being a degenerate. Don't do X-raves. Don't do orgies. Don't ride the cock carousel. Don't HRT kids. Don't overdo the "Fabulous" thing unless you actually are, otherwise it looks like lipstick on a pig. Fuck the socialists whom's ass the LGBT lobby is currently eating. Socialists always turn on gays as soon as power is taken. And honestly the Lobby wouldn't even be half bad if we'd just cut the T's out and make it GBL(dykes come last). Literally we have good grounds by the SJW logic to do it - Gender dismorphia is a totally separate issue from Sexual orientation, and your conflation of the two by using a term like LGBT is confusing people into not understanding that boys who want to be girls aren't gay.

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