/cuteboys/ - Boypussy

>>383994

>caring about the quantity of sexual partners rather than quality

Sluttiness is never okay.

>wanting so called genetic prodigy

Is there any reason you can't have kids while being gay? Aside from a fear of the opposite sex, of course.

>transphobic

With good reason. Get off my board. You're just another threat to the mental health of gay people everywhere.

>thy shouldnt expect you to ay for hormones, but the fact that you mentioned it in this context makes it obvious that youre kind of a shitty person

Meh. Not even a big issue anyways. I won't force or even suggest my kid to do HRT though.

>dont let society tell you that having a sex hange is ok cause fuck what you want to do with your bdy it offends ME! YOUR GOD AND MAKER WHO DETERMINES YOUR LIFE CAUSE I SAID SO

>sex change

>not just overrated expensive genital mutilation

Seriously? Stop enabling self-harm. Just because an anorexic person wants a skinnier body doesn't mean you should allow them to get liposuction. Also,

>trusting psychologists and surgeons who sell pills and surgery to have what's best for somebody who is questioning their gender and sexuality in mind

This is just outragous.

>srsly dude youre trying to be supportiv but really your just exposing your own prejudices, I hope you dont have kids straight or gay cause you sound like a pretty shitty parent/person all round

Alright. I am a shitty person but only because i know that being nice is a great way to be used. I'd rather my kids not get used either.

>>383998

ok you remind me way too much of my dad

sluttiness is a learning exprience, if anything everyone wants too do it but it is not good trust me i know, letting your kid learn for themself is best, the best you can do is guide them in the right dirction and help them learn the important lessons in life

also you can ery much raise children whilst being gay or straight, spaking as someone who was raised by dysfunctional straight ppl, you dont need them to be enetically related to you or them to be good parents, or for thm to raise a good child

>transphobic, this literally speaks volumes

good that you dont expect them to get you to pay for them, really thy should support themseles, but I can tell it has more to do with you dissapproving with that stuff

sex xhangs are aailable for people who who want it, why does it matter to you what your CHILD does with their genitals, all the implications intended

>trusting doctors to care about their patients caus its not like thats thier job or anything

like im from england, trust me I know how shitty doctors can be, but really youre tho one pushing your own agenda here trying to stop people doing what is right for themselves cause of your preconcieved notions towards something that isnt towards your taste, just cause someone doesnt fit your bill, doesnt make that wrong, youre the same as homophobes hating something just cause it isnt what you want

ateast you admitted to being a shitty person, now take the next step towards rectifying that or just remain as one of the bitter gross shitposters who fuck stuff up for other ppl just cause you cant accept things outside of your little sphere

yes being nice is a great way to get abused, but people who grow up with shitty parents are usually the ones to take advantage of said niceness, honestly im glad that i was an impressionable little bitch as a kid cause atleast I managed to learn a thing or two about people like you and the poor kids they raised

srsly dont hae kids, you sound like a right cunt

>>384003

>ok you remind me way too much of my dad

Your dad must've been pretty wise if he really was like me, but you're probably projecting his bigotry, selfishness, stubbornness w/e onto me so you can compare me to a bad guy you know.

>sluttiness is a learning exprience, if anything everyone wants too do it but it is not good trust me i know, letting your kid learn for themself is best, the best you can do is guide them in the right dirction and help them learn the important lessons in life

Yeah, you know what, you're probably right. I'd rather my kid be slutty under my watch so i can tell them why they shouldn't do it in the future. It'd be hard to give advice after they leave the house (which they won't have to because i'm not a shitty person who wants their kid to leave the house and live a life pinching pennies and living in a cardboard box because i can't stand paying for my kid anymore)

>also you can ery much raise children whilst being gay or straight, spaking as someone who was raised by dysfunctional straight ppl, you dont need them to be enetically related to you or them to be good parents, or for thm to raise a good child

Was this portion a statement disagreeing with me? I'd love my kids to have grandkids directly related to them, and it doesn't matter if the kids parents are same-sex or opposite sex. In fact, it's probably better that i teach my kid how to parent regardless of who their partner is.

>transphobic, this literally speaks volumes. good that you dont expect them to get you to pay for them, really thy should support themseles, but I can tell it has more to do with you dissapproving with that stuff

No no. I'm fine with HRT as long as it doesn't make a person's dick unusable. Nobody wants that to happen.

>sex xhangs are aailable for people who who want it, why does it matter to you what your CHILD does with their genitals, all the implications intended

It matters not what they do with their genitals, what matters is that they don't lose their genitals because the trans community said it'd be a good idea.

>trusting doctors to care about their patients caus its not like thats thier job or anything

It's a bridge-builder's job to build great bridges, but bridges collapse all the time.

>like im from england, trust me I know how shitty doctors can be,

You're talking to an American. Our healthcare system is far worse than yours.

>but really youre tho one pushing your own agenda here trying to stop people doing what is right for themselves

Yeah okay. Because liposuction is just great for an anorexic person's self-image.

>cause of your preconcieved notions towards something that isnt towards your taste, just cause someone doesnt fit your bill, doesnt make that wrong, youre the same as homophobes hating something just cause it isnt what you want

Well i'll be. Here i was thinking i was extremely progressive, but now you're telling me i'm homophobic still? I'm bisexual as well. My life's deffo gonna suck because being a homophobic half-homo is just bound to create problems.

>ateast you admitted to being a shitty person, now take the next step towards rectifying that or just remain as one of the bitter gross shitposters who fuck stuff up for other ppl just cause you cant accept things outside of your little sphere

Where do you think you are? /cuteboys/ is a community for sane gay people. If you don't like sanity because it's rude sometimes, go away.

>yes being nice is a great way to get abused, but people who grow up with shitty parents are usually the ones to take advantage of said niceness, honestly im glad that i was an impressionable little bitch as a kid cause atleast I managed to learn a thing or two about people like you and the poor kids they raised

Still trying to decipher the hidden meanings here.

>srsly dont hae kids, you sound like a right cunt

No u

>>384005

>dad mustve been wise

no, youre literally missing the point that youre a shit person and would make a terrible parent

but atleast you would give your kids the space to develop as a person and grow from it

>not making your kids stand on their own feet

I take eerything good ie said about you back

also once again youre missing the point, genetic relation doesnt matter at all, its about how you raise your children and how they turn out, obviously your inability to een listen and understand proves that you would make a shit dad

>caring about your childs dick functionality

srsly youre saying this stuff yourself, why should it matter to you if your KID can get an erection (btw I take anti androgens, theyre doing their job and even despite that I can get hard when I need to)

>cause trannies said this that or the other

like poeple do that cause some fuckheads online said so, you know the kind of people who care about what people say online should probably be sterilyzed right, if someone wants their winky turned into a quinkle then so be it, why is it your fucking business?

>buildng bridges

I honestly hope your kids refuse commerce from you just based on principle, as they should

>amurecan doctors suck

well dont be poor then, or dont live in mureca

CAPITALISM

srsly hy do you care about lipo so much, if someone wants and can afford a bit of lipo why is that your business? this is the second time youve mentioned it, do you ae a personal issue that youre letting affect your involement with the outside world?

>thinking being bi makes you immune to being prejudice

thats just stupid

m8, im on a board called faggots ok, that kinda groups us up together and if anything its people like you that are a fucking cancer to our community, try not being an utter cunt and you might notice peope hating you less

just cause I take some pills does that make me any less or more of a massive faggot than anyone here? im bi too and ive dipped into the shallow end with another tranny before, would that make me too straight or too gay to be a member of your exclusive little club?

>still trying to decipher

god you really must be fucking thick to not understand something literally written out in text before you

>no u

I dont plan to m80, unlike you im self aware and not fucking retarded

>>384006

>no, youre literally missing the point that youre a shit person and would make a terrible parent

My point is that you compared me to a guy i don't know so you could project your hatred of him onto an anon on the internet.

>>not making your kids stand on their own feet

>I take eerything good ie said about you back

>kicking your kids out of the house is equivalent to "making them stand on their own feet"

Believe it or not, it's mostly an anglo thing wherein people actually hate living with their family most of their life. Only in the UK, America, Canada do you actually see people falling for the "move out and go pay for an expensive house at the age of 18 because you're a man now" meme. Everywhere else in the world people live with their parents until they die because moving out for no reason is fucking retarded in the first place.

>also once again youre missing the point, genetic relation doesnt matter at all, its about how you raise your children and how they turn out, obviously your inability to een listen and understand proves that you would make a shit dad

Okay. People can love adopted children just like regular children. But the condition set in the OP said "no adoption".

>caring about your childs dick functionality

>srsly youre saying this stuff yourself, why should it matter to you if your KID can get an erection (btw I take anti androgens, theyre doing their job and even despite that I can get hard when I need to)

It matters because otherwise they'd be sterile. Not to mention that people who "can't get it up" are regularly ridiculed by their peers.

>cause trannies said this that or the other

>like poeple do that cause some fuckheads online said so, you know the kind of people who care about what people say online should probably be sterilyzed right, if someone wants their winky turned into a quinkle then so be it, why is it your fucking business?

Why is it my business that somebody cuts themselves and fantasizes about suicide? Because their physical and mental health matters more than their personal boundaries.

>buildng bridges

>I honestly hope your kids refuse commerce from you just based on principle, as they should

>amurecan doctors suck

>amerucan

>well dont be poor then, or dont live in mureca

If you're not rich in America, you're poor.

>CAPITALISM

I don't like capitalism either. Glad we agree on that.

>srsly hy do you care about lipo so much, if someone wants and can afford a bit of lipo why is that your business? this is the second time youve mentioned it, do you ae a personal issue that youre letting affect your involement with the outside world?

It's because it's an easy explanation of how i feel about transgenderism. It all boils down to a person's self image. Transgenders don't love themselves just like people with anorexia or those who slit their wrists don't, and that's all a problem that matters to me as a parent (hypothetically).

>thinking being bi makes you immune to being prejudice

>thats just stupid

Never said that though. Homos can be homophobic out of a fear of loving themselves for who they are. Much like transgenders tbqh.

>m8, im on a board called faggots ok, that kinda groups us up together and if anything its people like you that are a fucking cancer to our community, try not being an utter cunt and you might notice peope hating you less

>he resorts to a "no u" argument

Aha.

Transgenderism is inherently harmful to the mental and physical health of impressionable gay children.

>just cause I take some pills does that make me any less or more of a massive faggot than anyone here? im bi too and ive dipped into the shallow end with another tranny before, would that make me too straight or too gay to be a member of your exclusive little club?

Could you elaborate on this?

>god you really must be fucking thick to not understand something literally written out in text before you

It's kind of hard to read the language you're speaking.

>my own "no u" argument

>I dont plan to m80, unlike you im self aware and not fucking retarded

Hmm…

>>384005

its like 8:30am and i havent slept yet but ill be back later for some tasty bant my dude

stay belligerent, stay murecan

>>384008

>tasty bant

Most people come to /cuteboys/ for the tasty cummies, but to each his own.

I would tell them that it's perfectly okay and I will support them in their pursuit of happiness unconditionally like a father should.

Also demanding grandchildren like that is extremely overbearing and shallow, you should rethink your priorities

>>384013

Hell, we're on a board for homosexuals, what kind of question even is that? It's obvious that we should support them, "throwing them out on the street for liking the same sex romantically is a shitty thing to do", of course it is, why would you even mention that, that's an utter atrocity

What's with the fucking trans hate on this board? Like, wtf? Do you really hate trans people that much that you forget that so many people on this board are also gay or bi?

>>383994

You, I like you.

>>384009

really? seems more people come here for awkward flirtation, doesnt seem like many people actually meet up from here

also im english, bant is our foreplay, and even though youre terrible at it I get the feeling the sex would be good

>>384007

I compared you to the worst aspects of a man you dont know actually, and its a air comparison, unless you think comparisons are some inherently immoral thing for some reason

personally I dont think living with your parents past 20 is a virtue, but if you want to idolize it then go ahead

>still missing the point of caring about genetic relation over raising a child right

also thank you for stating something youve already said, but thats what we're arguing about here, you really dont need to restate it, I would prefer you understood what im saying but that seems like too much to ask of you

and again, why do you care if your child is sterile? isnt it their life and their choice what they do with it?

what does cutting have to do with anything? you realise that een cis guys and girls, gay guys and basically anyone can be depressed right? I used to know a cis straight dude who cut himself (mostly for attention) and trannies who are perfectly mentally healthy, its not a tranny thing you know

I really dont know about the american economy but we're getting off topic here, not all doctors are bad and if your son/daughter wants gender reassignment then they sould be able to without having to deal with shitty parents (again probably too much to ask for but we can hope that maybe someday, people will sop being shitheads)

also I really dont give a shit about capitalism or anything like that, was just aking a witty remark

youre making way too many assumptions about transgenders, like you really dont understand it so try learning some stuff or just not being a thundercunt

you are prejudice, through misinformation and idiocy you are prejudice and have stated that you would allow your prejudice to affect the lives of others (your own children) negatively

>trannies are harmful to gays

srsly my boiwhy do you think this? is being a tranny really that threatening to your fragile way of life?

no

no i wont elaborate on how my mouth felt like heaven and I made her feel things she had never felt before

you fucking perv :p

also really not surprised the murecan doesnt understand english, heres a neat word for you *ahem* GIBBOUS

and I dont plan on having kids cause I know theyd grow up a cynical cunt like me, and probably a hipster

I fucking hate hipsters

also I hate kids, theyre loud and stupid and feral, and some of them never evolve into adults

>>384019

thankyou <3

>>384022

>doesnt seem like many people actually meet up from here

I met a boi on the map. We cuddled. Bf'd him hard

>>384031

Sounds cute.

I met someone from 4chan /lgbt/ but they were not exactly the best looking, and they were also a bit awkward.

I looked at the cutemaps, but there's only one person near me, and they're "more CD than trap". Everyone else on that map, I would have to catch a flight to meet them.

>>384037

But why would you cherrypick

>>384037

ok stop right there

tards are tards and some of them are trannies

some are also gay, straight and every other fucking letter in that dumb fucking acronym

>I expect kids from you

You can go straight to Hell with that shit. If you want kids, have them yourself. I don't owe you jack fucking shit, because you only decided to have a child for your own selfish reasons.

>>384052

Yeah, you can't treat your child like an extension of your ego.

>>384039

I'm not cherrypicking, I'm just posting this guy because it's funny.

>me

>having a child

>a very real possibility

Where do you think you are?

>I expect kids from you. They can't be adopted. You and your bf/gf should arrange for a girl to get pregnant for you/a guy to get you pregnant.

This is Middle east tier.

Look, nobody really cares about your blogging. Fuck off

>>383990

Sexy pic there anon. Damn fine little body and dick.

My oldest son is a CD for a girl he fucks. She posted some of his pics on a forum. I was a bit shocked and saddened that he never learned anything from me. I guess he likes humiliation at the hands of some low life whore. She's a real skank. I have no problems with him CD'ing by his own choice, not to get attention from a skank. So no. I have no issues with my kids being gay or whatever they feel they are. I hope they can just be honest about with me. Besides, his mother is a fat dyke. She will have no problem with it and may actually learn to love him because of it.

>>384019

Because trannies are more likely to have a plethora of other mental illnesses (gays too compared to the general population, but not to the statistical amount that trannies do) they make for bad self-centered shitty posters. Most people, imagine it or not, are on this board for boys not boys that think they're girls, unless they're a chaser.

>>383990

>don't expect me to pay for hormone therapy. That shit's expensive.

>50$~70$ a month without insurance is expensive

>one brand new video game a month it too rich for your blood

That's rather silly.

>>384120

I've just heard all kinds of excuses and the "it's too expensive" just for the hormone route sounds funny as fuck. This also makes me question if you'd ever get a job with proper health insurance if you're an Ameri because that makes it even cheaper.

>use their own allowance

Oh okay I get it now it's not a "I literally can not afford it" thing, you just don't want to directly pay it I understand.

>>384114

>for boys not boys that think they're girls, unless they're a chaser

What if I want to transition, but I get tips from this community, and I also love cute/femboys?

>>384124

>what if I'm a tranny

Than you're most likely a bad poster, anyone looking for normal cuteboys isn't interested in you, and you get to feel the lapping of "straight" chasers.

I don't mind MtF, traps, trannies, or whatever slang term you want to use. I prefer my girls have a little meat.

>>384126

>a bad poster

I keep gender out of anything I post here. Plus, I'm more interested in looking for cuteboys than attentionwhoring myself on this board. Also, I wouldn't mind a cuteboy chaser, so long as he was cute, and I mean CUTE. Also, he would have to be respectful, but that's about it.

The only thing I really do here is lurk and compliment cuteboys, is that a crime?

If tranny posts in a thread, and never mentioned they're trans, did anyone ever give a shit?

>>384132

>Well, at least I know you don't understand what a chaser is.

The basic definition of a chaser is someone who actively seeks out trans people to have sex with them and have relationships with them.

This loose definition means that people who actively pursue trans girls to date, but are pretty respectful and are nice, are considered chasers. Which means that unless you're a raging chaser bottom, and you treat trans girls nicely, you'll probably not be seen as a chaser at least, not by most of them.

Also this >>384133 This is the only thread on this board that I have talked about trans stuff. This is only because it came up, and I felt the need to respond.

>>384134

>This is the only thread on this board that I have talked about trans stuff. This is only because it came up, and I felt the need to respond.

See you're almost understanding now, why do people hate trannies so much? Almost as if, in general, much like furries, they feel the need to tell everyone they're trannies and that's why they got the reputation they have. You get no good boy points for not saying you're a tranny, because most of them are awful. And on a board centered around gay hook ups, it's interesting trannies think they belong. This isn't even going over the fact how fucking awful the namefagging trannies were post-exodus, and as someone whose been here for 4 fucking years, the trannies like fucking Chrona were awful attention whores. There was also constant posters recommending any and all crossdressers and traps to take pills, because wanting to wear cute dresses meant you want your penis chopped. If a tranny never mentioned they were a tranny, like >>384133 suggest, they wouldn't have the reputation they currently have.

>The basic definition of a chaser is someone who actively seeks out trans people to have sex with them and have relationships with them.

Most people don't use this definition of the word, I'll give you a hint, it's very similar to the way normal women use the word "creep".

>>384135

>they feel the need to tell everyone they're trannies and that's why they got the reputation they have

And yet when trans people don't tell you they're trans, it's all about that deception? Anyway, I don't talk about trans issues unless it comes up, or I'm asking a very specific question which I feel is relevant.

>And on a board centered around gay hook ups, it's interesting trannies think they belong.

I was under the impression that this board was more for admiring cuteboys, and that this was generally open to all. I mean, I see a lot of bi guys here, and I even see the odd girl, not including trans girls.

>because wanting to wear cute dresses meant you want your penis chopped

This is a /pol/ meme. There are a lot of trans girls who do not want surgery on that area, at least nothing beyond an orchi. I wouldn't ever tell people to "take your pills, Alice", as that's more a meme, but with that said, there are a good number of crossdressers and traps who do it as a coping method without realising they're trans. Eh, it's more for the fact that there are those people who don't transition young and then regret it later in life.

>they wouldn't have the reputation they currently have

I know what you mean, and I try my best to not add to that reputation, because it affects me too. I guess, it comes down more to appearing like any other person, which is what I would want, to appear normal.

>the word "creep"

That sort of chaser is one I would just call a creep anyway. Someone acting creepy is never desirable. The broad and loose definition though is one I would rather trust is being used, particularly since that's the one you see more often on 4chan's /lgbt/.

>>384137

What do you want me to address directly then?

And what do you want me to do about trans people? It's not a hive mind, I can only talk about me personally, not other people.

I dislike the trans hate here, mostly because I don't see much reason for it in the first place. I might be a newfag compared to some of you, but that's all I can say.

>>384138

A lot of posters here feel that someone who considers themselves a woman probably doesn't belong on here, whether that's fair or not is debatable. I personally don't mind transgender people here or even actual women however, a lot of trans people misrepresent themselves as cross dressers/boys and that pisses people off. There's also a vocal amount who will insist most of the posters here are transgender because they enjoy any aspect of femininity. There are a lot of feminine bottoms here and when you end up with someone saying "I understand what you like and how you think, you're transgender like me trust me I've been there you need to get on hormones before you regret it" when the person in question isn't actually gender dysphoric in the slightest and the trans person saying all this barely knows a thing about who they're talking to, people are naturally going to say "We don't want you here." It annoys people and puts people off in general since it seems like a weird "I need to convert people" complex and that's generally irritating regardless of what their point actually is. I've seen all of this on the board multiple times and it usually leads to a shit fest of fighting and no actual worthwhile discussion/posting, not that the bar here is high, but still.

trannies might be autistic and sometimes terrible people but so are most people here/online/ever

>>384150

>I personally don't mind transgender people here or even actual women

That's good to hear

>a lot of trans people misrepresent themselves as cross dressers/boys and that pisses people off

The boy aspect really only is ever relevant when a trans person is pre-everything, or is not passable yet, and will only present as a guy as it's more socially acceptable. Let me make this clear, those sorts of people definitely don't want to call themselves guys or boys, and would rather be girls.

>There are a lot of feminine bottoms here

Feminine guys are fine. Indeed, they're my favourite kind of guy. I would love to have a feminine cuteboy for a bf.

>when you end up with someone saying "I understand what you like and how you think, you're transgender like me trust me I've been there you need to get on hormones before you regret it" when the person in question isn't actually gender dysphoric in the slightest and the trans person saying all this barely knows a thing about who they're talking to

This is an interesting thing to talk about. I totally get the feminine male being a legit thing, and I don't have a problem with feminine men, I do think they should have at least questioned their gender at least once. I won't go out of my way on a fucking image board, but I might ask them about it once in a discord chat or whatever. Definitely, if someone is an egg, certainly they should realise it sooner than later, but if not, and they're comfortable with being just a feminine male, then what's the problem? At least that's how I feel about it. If I know someone is cis, then why try to convince them they're not cis?

>"I need to convert people" complex and that's generally irritating regardless of what their point actually is

Yeah, this is something I generally agree with. I don't want to convert people, because there is no point trying to convert someone who is cis, because they're cis. I can understand that it's annoying, which is why I would never try to convert someone. Ask them about gender identity, sure, but that's about it for me, and even then, that would be in a one on one conversation, not a fucking imageboard.

I'm here to admire cuteboys and learn about how they keep themselves looking so great, not to covert them to being trans.

>>383994

I think OP is pretty acceptable and reasonable.

>>384217

OP is not in any way reasonable, not is it acceptable.

Being this transphobic is fucking bullshit and should not be tollerated like homophobia isn't tollerated.

The other unreasonable thing is demanding children from your child. That is fucking bullshit right there, since you only value what your child will do for you, not what your child wants.

OP reeks of conditional love. The sort of emotionally manipulative bullshit I got from my own parents who only treated me right and supported me if I did exactly what they wanted. As soon as I wanted to do something else, they withdrew their support and just said stuff like "this hurts me", even though it's my life, and I can make my own decisions in life.

Fuck off with this bullshit.

>>384217

>>384208

your opinions are appreciated, and summarily disregarded

>>384223

I go onto 4chan more these days than Reddit, and I only use Reddit for a few subreddits which are about as niche as they get.

>>384226

I think I love you.

>>384227

>I go onto 4chan more these days than Reddit, and I only use Reddit for a few subreddits which are about as niche as they get.

whoawhoawhoa, does your mom know how hardcore her son is?

>>384228

First, nice bait

Second, I don't want to be "her son"

Third, I use 4chan for /lgbt/, /vg/ and /n/

Fourth, Germany is a nicer country than the hole that is Austria

>>384230

>Fourth, Germany is a nicer country than the hole that is Austria

Damn that sure made angry

Also, the wording of your second point is making it sound like there male genitalia attached to your body and you're probably larping as a girl because you've consumed too much anime.

>>384232

>Damn that sure made angry

Der österreichsche Akzent is hässlich. Ihr seid nur eine Kolonie von Bayern.

>Also, the wording of your second point is making it sound like there male genitalia attached to your body

This is correct

>you're probably larping as a girl

Nah, I just want to be a "tranny"

>you've consumed too much anime

Nice meme. I actually don't watch anime, I just play video games.

>>384222

>Being this transphobic is fucking bullshit and should not be tollerated like homophobia isn't tollerated.

Both of these patterns are healthy and correct. I don't agree why anyone should have pride in being diagnosed with a mental illness, or the condition of being a homosexual either.

>>384241

>Homo- and transphobic

>referring to being gay or trans as a mental illness

Looks like we have a stray from /pol/

>>384122

>comparing hormone treatments for sex change purposes to health insurance

>>384222

>Being this transphobic is fucking bullshit and should not be tollerated like homophobia isn't tollerated

These are hard things for some people (religious people, for example), and imo they have right to be against it (but it depends on how far they take it and what their actions are) Also, I think that people under 16-18 shouldn't be allowed to change their sex, because think those who are younger than can't make such decisions.

>The other unreasonable thing is demanding children from your child.

I think it's ok to "expect" your kids to get kids. By "expect" I mean that your would prefer them to get kids as opposed not to. But again, it depends on how far they take it.

>>384226

ok

>>384230

>Fourth, Germany is a nicer country than the hole that is Austria

Nice argument

>>384247

>Being this upset at an anon not taking shit from a /pol/tard

>>384162

Yeah I get you the problem comes when you start going into a fine line where you can't really tell the gender. Like take a crossdresser who looks totally passable, which there are a lot of in general. From my experience a good amount of trans people will assume you're trans and then just start projecting a bunch of stuff onto you. When you then tell them "Yeah this is just a for fun thing" or whatever they get really defensive and start asserting that you're trans like them or you don't really understand what you're doing or you're "an egg who's internalized something something" just a myriad of "You must be trans like me because I was just convinced you were a second ago"

There's a surprising amount of boys who make really good girls but don't actually want to change their gender. Sometimes it's fun to just roleplay being a cute girl for a day but a lot of trans people can't really see it that way since they have a different understanding of it entirely, which is fair for them but it's also why a lot of people here really don't like them. I've literally seen instances where someone refuses to accept the "It's a hobby for me" line and just went on a tirade of "You're trans, that's trans anyone who does that is trans" and it becomes super annoying when they're just projecting their own issues on everyone around them

>>384260

DSM is only officially recognised in the US. Under ICD which is internationally recognised, Gender Dysphoria is a Gender Disorder, a separate catagory. No European countries have adopted DSM-5 since it was written in the US by the American Phychiatric Association, with no international input from the World Health Organisation or anything else.

Under DSM-5, grieving over a dead relative is considered a "personality disorder" which requires medicating.

In the UK, Gender Dysphoria hasn't been classified as a mental illness since 2002. The British Psychological Society doesn't recognise the DSM-5 and instead uses its own classification.

>>384270

Why are you so against it being diagnosed as a mental illness if it requires medical intervention in the case of people needing surgery and hormones? Are you bigoted?

>>384270

>country that doesn't believe the condition is a mental illness has stricter gatekeeping than the one that does

That's funny as hell.

>>384271

>Why are you so against it being diagnosed as a mental illness

Because it isn't one? Are you going to say that people who suffer from hair loss have a mental illness because they require medical intervention for their hair, even though hair loss has a psychological impact? Are you going to say that erectile dysfunction is a mental illness because it causes men great distress?

>>384272

WPATH doesn't consider gender dysphoria as a mental illness either, and that's all about dealing with transgender patients.

>>384275

That doesn't change how funny it is that getting treatment in a country that considers it a mental illness can be resolved by walking into a clinc and signing a form while over in Britbongistan months of "real life experience" are required. You'd think people would be able to properly identify if they have a "condition" or not if it isn't a mental illness.

>>384275

I didn't know Britbong medical care covered hairplugs and other treatments as a medical necessity rather than a cosmetic confidence issue. I also didn't know Britbong medical care also covered breast augmentation for women self-conscious about their breast size either. It's amazing how many things can be covered by just stating they distress you.

>>384276

The main reason behind the UK not being open to trans people is the fact that politicians hate trans people, and even if they're on the left, they're TERFs. So, trans people are subjected to healthcare from the 70s in clinics. Proposals to change laws on the Gender Recognition Act has seen a few hundred TERFs quit Labour in the UK, and currently, the right wing part of the Conservatives is delaying the Prime Minister in her attempt to push forwards the GRA reform, in her brand of "inclusive Toryism".

Let me reassure you, that in France, Germany and Spain, where Gender Dysphoria is also not a mental illness, health care systems are far more open to providing health care. Particularly Spain, which can provide HRT on the first visit to a doctor, though that said, Spain also gives out a lot of prescription medicine without the weeks of "diagnosis" which the NHS does. The NHS took 3 weeks to diagnose me with asthma, and that only really needs one test to see if I can breathe properly.

>>384277

There's no need to be sarcastic at me. You do know that the NHS will only cover HRT and SRS after finally diagnosing a patient with Gender Dysphoria?

>>384270

ICD-10 still identifies it as a mental disorder, if you're talking about ICD-11 it hasn't been released yet. They've supposedly been trying to update those guidelines for years now but I guess spinning something as not an illness but requiring medical treatment on the levels of surgery is pretty tough even for leftists.

Nice try appealing to international standards though.

>>384278

>You do know that the NHS will only cover HRT and SRS after finally diagnosing a patient with Gender Dysphoria?

I just find it rather odd that a medical condition requires surgical intervention, as opposed to a disease or illness.

>>384270

I'm glad that Gender Dysphoria is considered just a medical condition like Asthma. When is Asthma pride month by the way?

>tranny mentions being a tranny

>entire thread starts revolving around trannies

There can't possibly be a connection here.

Stop bumping this thread

>>384281

The same month as eczema pride. In fact allergy pride is really popular, how haven't you heard about it? Is it because you're a bigot? Are you allergyphobic?

>>384283

I don't know why you're so obsessed with trans people. As soon as someone challenges transphobia in this thread, it turns into /pol/ here.

>>384284

>tranny wonders why there's only a gay board on 8chan and not a popular /lgbt/ board

>is confused by the type of people that go to 8chan

I'll give you 3 guess but you'll probably only need 1 to figure out what kind of people left cuckchan.

>>384284

I am in fact allergyphobic, people taking pride in things they don't have any control over, like being white, make me sick to my stomach.

>As soon as someone challenges transphobia in this thread, it turns into /pol/ here.

>being this surprised about /cuteboys/ opinions on trannies

You have not lurked at all have you? Have you even seen how many times a thread devolves into wanting the T removed from LGBT?

>>384285

>I'll give you 3 guess but you'll probably only need 1 to figure out what kind of people left cuckchan.

Global rule 3, no racism outside of /b/ and global rule 8, no complaining about the rules and moderation decisions.

8ch has only 1 global rule, and it's identical to 4chan's global rule 1.

>>384288

>You have not lurked at all have you? Have you even seen how many times a thread devolves into wanting the T removed from LGBT?

I am a newfag to this particular board because I've grown tired of the moderation decisions on 4chan. Plus, I really like /strek/ and /tttt/ even if that last board is just a bunker board for 4chan's /lgbt/.

The only T I want removed is Testosterone. I see this kind of stuff go up on /lgbt/ on 4chan only to see it be deleted for violating rule 1 on /lgbt/, which is "respectful discussion of LGBT topics". Your "remove the T" is as bullshit as it has always been, and is based upon an irrational hatered based on cherrypicking and examples of flamboyant behaviour which is just as visible among gay people and lesbian people, and even then, those examples are cherry picked.

I really have no idea about your obsession with me anyway.

>>384288

>I really have no idea about your obsession with me anyway.

>tranny finds it confusing that even though most of the board hates trannies they have the audacity to hate him

>>384134

>I've lurked for a while and never mentioned me being transgender

>>384290

<I am a newfag to this particular board

Always fun playing around with the mentally ill.

>>384291

You do know I'm only here to learn the tricks cuteboys use to be cute?

You know I'm also here because cuteboys are hot AF and I'd really love to have one as a bf?

You know I've only been on this board for about 3 weeks and have only started posting here in the last week?

>>384292

Fuck me please.

>>384293

I'm not a top.

Plus, I doubt you would want to go over to Europe just for that.

>>384290

>Global rule 3, no racism outside of /b/ and global rule 8, no complaining about the rules and moderation decisions.

>tranny can't even figure out why 8chan got popular in the first place

Two more guesses. I'll give you another hint, they are refereed to as exodus 1 and 2. Though this does tickle me

>the tranny is racist but gets upset when people hate trannies

That's funny as fuck

>>384292

>two weeks is lurking a long time

I can understand why you're having such difficulties accepting the situation. Almost as if you don't understand the board culture you're posting in because you've barely put any thought into it. It makes far more sense why you took so long to leave cuckchan.

>>384295

>Two more guesses. I'll give you another hint, they are refereed to as exodus 1 and 2. Though this does tickle me

My guess is that 4chan mods came to the conclusion that they would ban discussion about "Gamergate" and a few other things, and people left to come here.

If that's not it, then tell me, since I'm such an obvious newfag.

Next point is to ask when I was racist, since I never mentioned race here, indeed I chose no to engage discussions of it, because that's what /pol/ does.

>Almost as if you don't understand the board culture you're posting in because you've barely put any thought into it. It makes far more sense why you took so long to leave cuckchan.

Let me say this: I stick to blueboards on 4chan, and I still go there because the equivalents on 8chan are dead. Board culture is also a meme, usually perpetuated by oldfags who dislike that newfags come in and populate boards.

>claim this is a "male space"

>gender me as male

Which is it, boys?

Plus, you realise I like seeing you guys be cute? Do more of that, please.

>>384306

>Which is it, boys?

We've already explained why

>male when it suits xir

>female when it suits xir

Worse than bisluts even

>>383990

Only if my boipucci could get pregnant would I have a kid. I can't get into women at all, and too much of a submissive faggot to be a father

Can't believe no one ITT would fuck their gay son, fulfilling their doujin influenced fantasies.

I'd be totally cool with my kid being a slut so long as he actually uses protection and is smart enough to carry a gun he knows how to use (and practices with/maintains, for the love of god) when he meets random hookups. Safety first, dick second. Otherwise, just honor the rules of whatever relationship you're in (and if you can't do that, get out of it) and be an honest person. I would strongly prefer having a slut for a son than some sperglord robot who can't ever get laid because he's waiting for his perfect and pure waifu. I'd be deeply ashamed of having a moralfag or an incel son.

>>383994

t. tranny

>sluttiness is a learning exprience

If it's a learning experience you need before you realize how disgusting it is, then you're already worthless.

>>384703

For

>>384003

>>383990

>Yeah, you can grow small boobs/have a deep voice and not be transgender. If you do want me to pay for it, i will,

>but you'll have to convince me.

hmm…

Convice through anal means, I suppose? If you catch my drift. :3

@thread: board name is /cuteboys/, not /cutetraps/. And not /cutesluts/ either, as that is akin to a /circlesquare/. 2c.

>>384733

>Giving your kid some freedom and liberty while informing them about safety is bait

>Promises virginity to their "LDR husbando"

Anon, stones and houses etc

>>384704

>worthless

odds are most people here would disagree

and I dont get the feeling you get laid much :p

>>384702

lol nope, I just see prejudice for what it is, dumb

>>384738

And how is not getting laid an argument? That's kind of prejudice against virgins tbh, and that's coming from someone who gets a lot of [monogamous] sex.

Just drop the social justice narrative for a while and do try to understand: cuteboys is for boys who are cute. As a tranny you can post here just like everyone else as long as it is about boys and cuteness, and that is different from issues such as gender dysphoria and such. Hell we can even talk about common subjects we have, like panties and such, but in 8ch you can even create a board like /cutetrans/ or something like that, but derailing a board that already exists is kinda rude on your part.

Cuteness and feminility aren't synonymous, you can be cute in a boyish way. The world is not as black and white as many see it (like, man = brute and woman = cute). You should know that better than everyone.

>>384743

no I was just pointing out that his dislike of people being adventurous and exploring their sexuality probably stems from some kind of bitterness

and, for the second time, I am not transexual, pls remember that for future context

OP is the one who brought up the subject of transexuality and im continuing to discuss it, as it is literally part of the topic of this thread :3

>>384738

>odds are most people here would disagree

Yeah, because most people here are

whores. Of course they're going to defend their disgusting behavior and pretend there's nothing wrong with it.

>you must not do the thing you're saying you don't like so that must be why you don't like it

Quality argument.

>>384744

>(((adventurous)))

>(((exploring)))

That's such a disgusting excuse for being a dumb whore. You can decide you don't want to have any romantic value if you want, sure. But you can't just be a whore and then pretend it's justified and act like you still have any romantic value left to any self respecting man.

Also, trannies are literally subhuman and should not ever be tolerated when invading a community like they always do.

>>384558

>Only if my boipucci could get pregnant

How would that even work? Pooping out a baby would probably be really painful.

>>384748

excellent timing ;)

whore is a very strong word, one with a very negative connotation, makes it very clear how you feel about promiscuity

let me clarify

>sleeping with people for money

actual whoring, but who are you to judge

>sleeping with strangers for the sole purpose of sexual gratification

kinda sleazy but really most people would do that just because its fun, really if both parties concent then where is the harm, and what logical solution is there to be against it

you sound like you hold alot of negative feeling towards sex if you dont think that sex can be a way of exploring your sexuality, idk I guess if you dont want to sleep around then that is fair enough to you, but I dont see why you have to preach to others about it

also again with the tranny thing just keep it to yourself dude the only one making an issue about it is you

>>384750

>makes it very clear how you feel about promiscuity

Yeah, it's disgusting.

>actual whoring, but who are you to judge

A human being with common sense.

>but really most people would do that just because its fun

Again, most people are awful. Your point?

>if you dont think that sex can be a way of exploring your sexuality

The fuck is there to explore? It's sex. What else is there to it? It's just an excuse to be a whore.

>also again with the tranny thing just keep it to yourself dude

Trannies need to keep their mental illness to themself.

>>384750

>but who are you to judge

Someone with moral standards, perhaps, with the capacity to judge what's good and what's bad for me. Just because I'm a huge homo and enjoy some weird-ish kinky stuff in my private time, it does not mean that I have to morally support every kind of questionable or even dangerous behavior out there.

>most people would do that just because its fun

If you wanna be a slut because you think it's fun, hey, it's your life. But I find it even offensive to say that the noble cuties of this board are just like "most people" - as put above, most people are awful. Gays included.

>>384733

Nah it's not bait, just honest.

>there are more options then "slut, moralfag, incel"

Sure but within the context of this thread, that's the trichotomy being set up. If it's a choice between them, I would rather my child be a slut than a moralfag or an incel because the moralfag and incel are both asocial or antisocial losers. Moralfags mask their social disability by being upset other people aren't like them, which proves other people shouldn't be like them. Incels don't even mask their social disability, they're openly helpless.

Plenty of sluts are emotionally damaged and engage in promiscuous sex as a coping mechanism but of those three shitty options, at least they're doing something interesting or that gives them something to show for it (orgasm, a temporary sense of worth, money from Johns, etc) at the end of the day. Plus they're easily the closest to being normalfags, or *are* normalfags depending on the crowd. If my kid's going to be among society's dregs, they might as well be at the top of those dregs, getting money or climaxes or both for it. Yeah, I'd rather have a slut for a kid. If you're going to do something, do it right and do it all the way.

>I for example am voluntarily celibate, sort of

"Volcel" is just a sour-grapes excuse to be an incel so you feel in control. You aren't a volcel anyways.

>I dont care about random hookups, something in my brain just cant into casual sex so its impossible to go through with anything without actually caring about them a lot

So you're just a normalfag. That's not even an exception to the rule. The only reason you feel like you're special for that is because you're gay and gay men have a reputation for being oversexed, which is wrong, they just have partners who usually want sex to the same extent they do, unlike straight men.

Women never put out to the same extent men do because they have more to lose from that strategy, and even if they do, men are way easier to sleep with than women, so it's less impressive. If women were as into sex as men are, straight people would have sex just as often as gay men.

>>384752

>The fuck is there to explore? It's sex.

Hahaha, fuck, a militant vanilla! You're right, for you personally, there sure isn't anything to explore, except perhaps temperature play; I bet anyone wanting to fuck you would run the very real risk of frostbite.

>>384916

>a militant vanilla!

Who said anything about being vanilla? Just because you have things that turn you on doesn't mean you need to "explore" them by sleeping around with random people. You can enjoy what you're into with your bf. That's having sex, not "exploring". "Exploring" is nothing more than an excuse to be a whore.

>except perhaps temperature play; I bet anyone wanting to fuck you would run the very real risk of frostbite.

What does this even mean?

>>384922

>You can enjoy what you're into with your bf. That's having sex, not "exploring". "Exploring" is nothing more than an excuse to be a whore.

Very much this. And that's coming from someone who's into some fucked up shit.

>>384914

>I would rather my child be a slut

Stop. Please. Please get your head out of social justice for just one minute and reflect on what you're saying.

Instead of having a socially autistic child who couldn't get sex which is the case of many (most, even) here, you would rather have your child risk catching diseases such as HIV or syphilis, and other potential health problems that stem from promiscuity. Not to mention the empty feeling of having meaningless sex every time which is very, very likely to cause depression or other psychological problems. And all of that just because "they're doing something interesting" [sic] instead of actually trying to cope with their problems, using cheap sex and orgasms to hide away from their problems, like a heroin addict.

In the end, what you are saying is that you would rather have your kid engaging in risky behavior just to show how you're liberated and acceptive of STD bearers/homosexuals/whatever, than actually teach him about what's good and what's bad for him, and how to actually cope with life's challenges instead of running away from them in a gay sauna in California every weekend.

>INB4 "but 'incels' are also running away from their problems".

Yep. They are. But they're not spreading diseases, and it's far more likely for a incel to shape up into what they dream to be (a cute boy with a loving bf) than a slut to find any solution in promiscuous behavior.

Be a slut all you want, but please don't think that it is something to be praised in any situation ever, even compared to being a virgin or whatever. Do you understand how serious this is? Can you even conceive what kind of parent you will be? I'm truly sorry for your children.

>>384926

>Instead of having a socially autistic child who couldn't get sex which is the case of many (most, even) here, you would rather have your child risk catching diseases such as HIV or syphilis, and other potential health problems that stem from promiscuity.

Yes, I would. Risk is an inherent part of life, I won't have my child avoid all risks so they make it safely to death having done nothing with their lives but sit in their room and jack off to vocaloid.

>Not to mention the empty feeling of having meaningless sex every time which is very, very likely to cause depression or other psychological problems.

Depression is 100% guaranteed with being an incel and if my child was a moralfag it would mean that I raised an anal-retentive little control freak. I'll take the slut.

>you would rather have your kid engaging in risky behavior just to show how you're liberated and acceptive of STD bearers/homosexuals/whatever, than actually teach him about what's good and what's bad for him

I would have taught him about what's good and what's bad for him if he chose to place his own happiness and fulfillment over the approval of people who don't care about him anyways. I would have taught him that real action is better, more fulfilling, than hypothetical ideals.

>how to actually cope with life's challenges instead of running away from them in a gay sauna in California every weekend.

Incels and moralfags don't know how to cope with life's challenges any more than sluts. A coping mechanism which produces a result is greater than a coping mechanism which produces none.

>But they're not spreading diseases

The only people they'd be spreading diseases to, assuming they even would spread diseases, would be to other people who are interested in barebacking with them. In other words, they roll those dice, they take that risk, that's on them.

>it's far more likely for a incel to shape up into what they dream to be (a cute boy with a loving bf) than a slut to find any solution in promiscuous behavior.

It is rare at best for an incel to do anything of the sort since the whole point of being an incel is that you feel helpless and entitled to something you tried to obtain by inefficient means and without a clear setup. Sluts get what they ask for (dick), incels by definition don't. That means my child would be more effective at getting what they want than their potential competition. Good.

>Be a slut all you want, but please don't think that it is something to be praised in any situation ever

I'm married, not a slut, but sluts are certainly to be praised above and beyond incels and moralfags.

>Do you understand how serious this is?

Yes, hence why my child will actually experience what life has to offer between here and the yawning grave rather than sitting and crying about it.

>Can you even conceive what kind of parent you will be? I'm truly sorry for your children.

I'm going to be a fucking fantastic parent if I ever have kids, because my kids aren't going to grow into incapable whiners who think they want partners when really what they want is to be mommied forever no matter what their behavior, which is the incel dream. I refuse to raise a sack of shit like that. Better a slut than an old baby.

>>384922

That's kink. Is it having sex when my boyfriend licks my boots? No, it's kink. But then, what would you know? You're too stupid to even know when you're being called frigid. Fuck off, vanilla bean.

>>384933

What you're making it look like is that you /want/ your child to be a slut. You keep saying it like it's a good thing, like that to be an adult you have to engage in such acts because if you don't, "what they want is to be mommied forever". I wonder if your kid will even have the choice to not be a slut, and be something else, outside that trichotomy.

Tell me, will they? Answer honestly.

>A coping mechanism which produces a result is greater than a coping mechanism which produces none.

I guess that being a mass shooter is better than being a shut-in incel then. Right?

>>384936

Of course my child will have a choice, but I will be disappointed in them if they decide they'd like to be lifeless shut-ins, as I should be as a parent. I wouldn't let them live off me as adults unless it was an emergency. Like you said, there are more choices than just slut or incel. The important thing is to raise someone who is active and engaged in the world around them.

>I guess that being a mass shooter is better than being a shut-in incel then. Right?

Mass shooters almost always come from incel stock. If I want to raise a mass shooter, I should raise them to become a frustrated and entitled incel.

Besides, a mass shooting isn't a coping mechanism. Suicide isn't a coping mechanism, that's a failure to cope. It might be in spectacular fashion, but it's a failure. Better to raise an incel who never becomes a mass shooter than one who does become a mass shooter, but best to not raise an incel, volcel, or any type of 'cel' at all.

>>384936

Of course, it bears mentioning that even if I did raise an incel, I would be devastated if my child committed suicide, or committed a mass shooting. Any parent should be. I'd love my kids no matter what, they're my kids. That doesn't mean I would have to be happy about their life choices, though. That's no license to be abusive but it's plenty of license to encourage my kids to make the right choice.

>>384937

>The important thing is to raise someone who is active and engaged in the world around them.

The important thing is raise someone who is happy PERIOD.

>>384940

No, the important thing is to raise someone who is fulfilled by their own actions. Happiness can be temporary, but someone whose happiness comes from themselves, their behavior, their self-worth, their engagement, that's worth more. There is not one kind of happiness, there are many kinds of happiness, and some are worth more than others.

>>384941

*is worth more than someone who is just happy no matter where it comes from.

>>384941

Thanks, you just prove that you want to shape your son.

> There is not one kind of happiness, there are many kinds of happiness, and some are worth more than others.

No you dum-dum happiness is personal and nontransferable, for one can be happy and fulfilled living in the countryside painting and writing poems as other can be happy in the vibrancy of the city living in a penthouse and working as a successful attorney.

There is no happiness worth more than other.

Happiness is a personal measure, if you are happy with yourself, your actions, and the path you life has taken.

>>384943

>Thanks, you just prove that you want to shape your son.

Every parent shapes their children, intentionally or accidentally. I wouldn't be a helicopter parent or a tiger dad but I'd be worth more than a pushover parent who wants to be their child's buddy before playing the role of an adult who, yes, shapes their child into someone capable of living, and I mean really living, not sitting there while other people live for you.

>one can be happy and fulfilled living in the countryside painting and writing poems as other can be happy in the vibrancy of the city living in a penthouse and working as a successful attorney.

You're describing two successful people who are doing what they love to do. That's nice but most people in the city don't live in penthouses, most people in the city aren't successful attorneys, and most people living in the countryside aren't these tender artistic souls painting and writing poetry. At some point, the world involves effort. The world will involve struggle. Will my child be able to be creative and adapt to that struggle and make something of their situation anyways, or will they throw up their hands and say "well, I'm not happy, my life is a dead end, I'm worthless and it's all society's fault for not holding my hand" like a quitter?

>Happiness is a personal measure, if you are happy with yourself, your actions, and the path you life has taken.

There's no way my child would be happy being an incel. By definition an incel is not happy. An incel, just as an example, has defined his life such that he is incapable of happiness, incapable of being fulfilled, unless some outside force magically knows exactly what he needs and grants him exactly what he needs. An incel refuses to improve himself because he thinks the whole endeavor is unfair, why should he have to adapt himself to other people or to a tough situation? Why should he have to put in effort to get something which other people, people the incel doesn't know well, seem to get effortlessly?

Being an incel is all about constructing your life story, your narrative, so that no matter what happens, you can still feel like you were wronged. It's playing the victim on every level. I'm not raising a professional victim. If I'm raising a kid, I'm going to raise them to do something to get the things they want.

>>384944

Well, that, or I'm going to damn well try to raise someone worth something. If I fail, well, that sucks ass, but I'd sure as hell make the effort.

>>384944

>shapes their child into someone capable of living, and I mean really living

Living is subjective and personal, there is no problem in shaping your child accidentally, but would you deal if your child came out different from your line of thought and your vision of "really living" and happiness, or would you be like those old conservtards who want their child their way?

>You're describing two successful people who are doing what they love to do

Success is also personal and subjective, one can live with fewer things and be happy as others need more stuff to be happy, the societal standard of the "successful person" always involves lots of money, huge network of powerful and "interesting" contacts and oversocial lifestyle, maybe a lot of people are unhappy because they try to pursue that kind of standard, instead of looking inside themselves and asking what they really want for starts?

>At some point, the world involves effort

And if you are fighting to do something that you really love and are passionate about, damn, you will have all the effort you can have. Doesn't mean you will achieve that tho, but it's worth fighting. Keeps you moving and

>able to be creative and adapt to that struggle and make something of their situation

>There's no way my child would be happy being an incel.

DUDE, where the fuck did I said something about incel, gosh you fucking newfags and those made up terms, every month one comes out. Life is not a huge rpg where there is 3 classes(I needed to read the other posts to know the premises) Incels, Moralfags and Sluts. There is SO FUCKING MUCH MORE THAN THIS. Also being "incel" at your 20's isn't the end of the world, who knows if his live turns around, he start dating and live a good life?

But if he is in his late 30's or 40's he sure will be a wizard. In no moment I defended "incels" but dude, open your mind, chill.

> If I'm raising a kid, I'm going to raise them to do something to get the things they want.

Raise for them to be happy and live a happy life, for when the last toll of the bell calls for them, they die with a smile on their faces and not a single regret left on this earth.

But I'm really intrigued by this

>By definition an incel is not happy. An incel, just as an example, has defined his life such that he is incapable of happiness, incapable of being fulfilled, unless some outside force magically knows exactly what he needs and grants him exactly what he needs. An incel refuses to improve himself because he thinks the whole endeavor is unfair, why should he have to adapt himself to other people or to a tough situation? Why should he have to put in effort to get something which other people, people the incel doesn't know well, seem to get effortlessly?

Can you please elaborate?

>>384947

I'm very open as to how my child interprets that. Honestly so long as they aren't shutting themselves off from the world, or, if push comes to shove and they absolutely insist on doing so, are they doing so effectively? That is, if they do shut themselves off, okay but they better be extra fulfilled by that. I don't want to find out they're frustrated whiners who wanted more. At some point they have to make their own choices and I can't hold their hand through life, so when that time comes, I want them to be able to make a choice and stick with it. Every choice will have negative consequences at some stage, are they willing to be responsible and own their actions and choices even if their thinking changes? I sure hope so, and I'll work to raise someone capable of that.

>DUDE, where the fuck did I said something about incel

??? Did you just randomly stumble into this conversation? Scroll up and gain some context as to what I've been talking about this entire time. I'm not talking about this stuff specifically for your benefit and it's not some random comment, I'm keeping in line with what I've been talking about this entire time. Don't just butt your way into a conversation and act like I'm annoying you by continuing my points.

>Success is also personal and subjective

Yes, true, but I want my child to be flexible and adaptable to their circumstances so they can continue to be successful. Success is a state of being rather than a single fixed moment where you have attained everything ever and really "made it," success is definitely personal but it must be internal and informed by certain things. My child should actively work to engage with the world so that they are successful in a real sense, and not simply imagining that one day they COULD be successful. Success is a result of one's behavior in the present moment, in every situation.

This is why incels and their mental ilk are losers, because they set up their entire situation in life to become helpless. "Oh, I'm celibate but it's not voluntary," that just means you want sex. "Oh, but it has to be with someone meaningful!" Okay, you want a relationship, and sex. "Oh, but it has to be this that and the other thing AND since I've already tried SO HARD SO SO SO HARD BOO HOO POOR ME, it's society's fault, it's women's fault, it's Chad's fault, it's blah blah blah's fault!" This is the thought process behind the perpetually frustrated, perpetually angry loser. Why are incels losers? It's not because they don't have sex, it's not because they aren't yet in a relationship, it's because their entire idea of themselves in relation to the things they want is one of helplessness, they self-define as losers and they're extremely upset over it.

Plenty of them, to be fair, are sincerely autistic and are incapable of forming normal relationships or understanding how relationships are formed, and I do feel bad for those people, because that isn't a choice. However, I wouldn't even classify autistic people who are frustrated by that as losers if they had an attitude of "okay, but what CAN I do?" Make the most of your situation, obviously. If sex isn't in the cards yet, fine, then it isn't in the cards, dwelling on it will do nothing and will just make you resentful and bitter, two profoundly unsexy traits.

That's what I want to avoid in my child, that blame-everyone-else mindset.

>>384948

I don't mean to imply that my child has to stick with something they hate. If they just despise baseball, they shouldn't be in little league. That's fine, to learn about something and to make a choice after that point. However, what I want is for them to act responsible and to understand that their actions have consequences that ought to be faced, not ignored or left for someone else to clean up.

>>384948

>I don't want to find out they're frustrated whiners who wanted more

You described a whole generation there, Gen Y(or millenials) and the gen Z is going down the same way.

>At some point they have to make their own choices and I can't hold their hand through life, so when that time comes, I want them to be able to make a choice and stick with it. Every choice will have negative consequences at some stage, are they willing to be responsible and own their actions and choices even if their thinking changes? I sure hope so, and I'll work to raise someone capable of that.

Good to hear that, that is very sound and reasonable.

>? Did you just randomly stumble into this conversation?

Yes?! Huehuehue

But seriously, I rod the first post and then skipped to the last ones. I did read the other post, and anyone defending this "triad" of "personalities" is dumb.

>Don't just butt your way into a conversation and act like I'm annoying you by continuing my points.

Your point is dumb, so I butt as I please.

Unlike gender, personality is on a spectrum, one can be not so social and still be happy and successful, as can one not care much about sex, or money, or even other people, their feelings. There is a multitude of unique characters on this earth.

But correct me if I'm wrong, you want to raise a productive member of the society, right?

>success is definitely personal

> My child should actively work to engage with the world so that they are successful in a real sense

So your child should be successful under your terms of "real sense"?

So success really is personal?

Why beating the "engage the world" every time?

What does it mean to you?

Ok about incels, I need to recur to my husband who is younger than me and stood on chans after I "retired" for a while(been on shit like this since 2007). I don't care either for some made up feminist term, we called them virgins or simply wizards back then. Hell I even met some, but differently from what you described they were very ok for not having sex, truly wizards.

But all this incel thing is a recent trend, and from where I look really present on the first world. But still, categorizing people like classes from D&D is dumb.

But I agree that this generation is kinda fucked, you talk about sex or relationships, but I talk on life overall, jobs, cars, houses, travels, anything! There's always a crybaby trying to justify their incompetence in achieving something. So I don't think is just a "incel" problem, is something really worse. And It all come down from very condescending parents that allowed them to have whatever shitty toy or phone they wanted or always said that they were special and unique and that they could be anything they want. It just breeds apathetic adults that act like children.

So far I'm enjoying this thread, topic and this discussion.

And I feel we want the same thing for our children, but we put it in different ways.

>>384950

I don't subscribe to generational thinking. Generations respond to their circumstances but they're not one organism, they're very broad strokes. Broad-stroking any generation as lazy is itself kind of lazy. I'm alright with some degree of labeling and generalization, but categorizing everyone born within a specific period of time as one way or the other is just too broad a behavior to be worth much. There are always winners and losers. The winners write history, the losers do not, so it *looks* like every generation before us was made up just of hard-working winners when the truth is there were many losers along the way.

>What does it mean to you to engage with the world?

It means if you want something, go get it. In this instance, if you want sex, get it or don't but don't act like you aren't getting it because boo hoo the world conspired against you. No the world fucking didn't, the world does not care about your individual struggles unless you are *extremely* powerful and wildly influential and the vast majority of humans are neither of those.

The world is not set up to give you your way, not really. You have to fight for it, and that kind of "everything bad that happens to me is everyone else's fault" thinking is something that has been around forever, and has also never worked. An adult is someone who understand that shit happens, but takes responsibility for themselves and their happiness anyways, in whatever form that might take.

>But all this incel thing is a recent trend

I doubt that, I think it's just visible now moreso than in the past. I'm sure there were plenty of guys who barely got any in the past. They're more visible because the internet grants them a public platform for it and it allows them to form communities based around their problem as an identity. Why do you think there are now people who describe themselves as "demisexual" just because they don't want to have sex with random strangers? Because the internet lets them form these goofy identities. That doesn't mean they weren't around before, they just didn't necessarily see themselves in this light. They didn't necessarily enable one another then like they did now, but these kinds of people have been around for a long time.

It's not like there's some magical curse placed on incels that make them useless, they're not inherently losers, they're losers as a result of their inaction, or their inability to rewrite the narrative of their lives from a perspective other than the one feature they define themselves by, their lack of sex. That's the problem, really. They *could* be more functional, they aren't hopeless, but because it advances their current interests to act hopeless, they act hopeless.

>Generations respond to their circumstances but they're not one organism, they're very broad strokes.

I agree, but even so they have a lot in common, we never had this much of entitled people before, as I said >>384950 here

>It all come down from very condescending parents that allowed them to have whatever shitty toy or phone they wanted or always said that they were special and unique and that they could be anything they want. It just breeds apathetic adults that act like children.

I can say that because I'm from that generation and so are You(if you are born after 1980 I suppose). Not every member of that generation will be the same, but my parents were always condescending to me, so were my friends parents, and my brother's friend's parents. Once we had this huge party on our former school, and we sat like, 42 people, talking about life, people from 30's, to early 20', my friends, my brother's friends, and dude it was scary how much of our lives were similar, same problems with parents, same passive environment, same expectations, that really put some perspective on me, almost all there were lost in life, so was I back then, depression, anger etc etc.

>I'm alright with some degree of labeling and generalization, but categorizing everyone born within a specific period of time as one way or the other is just too broad a behavior to be worth much.

But you just did that with incels. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>It means if you want something, go get it.

And what ethics would you teach to them? Or will be "by any means necessary" kinda of thing?

>I doubt that, I think it's just visible now moreso than in the past.

I agree that all kinda of people now have a voice, may it be crazy conservatives, mad communists, virgins, genderqueers and so on. I'm talking about the label, you know it has feminists roots right?

>It's not like there's some magical curse placed on incels that make them useless, they're not inherently losers, they're losers as a result of their inaction, or their inability to rewrite the narrative of their lives from a perspective other than the one feature they define themselves by, their lack of sex. That's the problem, really. They *could* be more functional, they aren't hopeless, but because it advances their current interests to act hopeless, they act hopeless.

You are right, I had, literally, crippling depression, I needed to fight it, hard, now I'm fit, healthy, improving myself and exploring new endeavors in life. Got myself a husband, a home. But I needed to stand up to life. I could blame my parents, as some of this are their fault, but deep down was my own.

Incels literally only exist among straight men, so why is it even relevant to this thread?? Somehow a discussion about having a gay child turned into a bunch of retarded virtue signaling by a bunch of 20-year-olds about how they're going to be a parent.

Protip: if you're on an imageboard, your chances of ever successfully breeding are basically zero.

>>384974

>Protip: if you're on an imageboard, your chances of ever successfully breeding are basically zero.

Knocking up a girl isn't that hard. Even I've had the opportunity and I don't even like girls. Now if you had said your chances of having children in a happy and successful relationship are basically zero, then that'd be more believable. Of course the chance for that is pretty low for everyone.

>>385055

Irrelevant. Everyone here is talking about RAISING the child, as in: being the major figure of parental guidance in their life. If you just fuck a girl and run away, the kid will be NOTHING like you except maybe sharing your hair color.

>>385066

It's pretty relevant to what I was replying to.

>>383990

My oldest sister is bisexual and my family didn't give a shit. The only thing that happened is that I was the only one who remembered the "bi" part; since she only had girlfriends for a while everyone thought she was a lesbian. Dad didn't blink an eye about it lol. I'd have the same reaction for my son/daughter: just not give a hoot.

>>383990

Anon, you're my hero. I 90% agree with all your points.

As for raising kids, though… I have spawned and have loved the entire process (and the result, of course). But it isn't for everyone. Yes, it changes you, and it could change your young gay boy, but… many of my gay friends (I'm bi) were simply completely uninterested in kids. The ones who were, were great with 'em, but if they weren't… some things cannot be changed.

But let's say I had two boys, #1 gay, #2 straight. If #2 got married and it turned out he was sterile (childhood fever, or some such), and #2 asked #1 to Do His Bit For The Cause, I would definitely encourage it.

It sounds weird and visceral, and it is. *Breeding* is weird and visceral. I've always liked farms (my grandparents had one) but after the first kid, I now know why so many philosophers prefer the agrarian to the urban lifestyle: it's closer to what we are.