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File: d482ab63592fe74⋯.png (20.07 KB, 609x350, 87:50, moses intercedes.png)

2f7124  No.936

If God is timeless, sees the future, predetermines every future happening, why would Moses be able to make him change his mind?

5f7155  No.976

Because everything good that humans do is God acting through them.

So it wasn't that Moses changed God's mind, it's that God debated with himself via Moses.

At least that's how I try to make sense of it.


3a6679  No.1001

>>976

That's a contradiction with the very premise of being called to believe. Why wouldnt God have just kept man from sin if he wasn't going to give us free will?


5f7155  No.1002

>>1001

He did give us free will, so that we can willingly choose him. When you choose God you let him act in you.

The very idea that good can exist in the absence of choice is a paradox.

However given that God is what defines goodness, humans can only ever do good only in as much as they allow God to work through them.


3a6679  No.1006

>>1002

Doublespeak


1c023c  No.1010

>>936

Here's my beliefs:

God doesn't micromanage people, your choices are your own, and you alone are responsible for how you act.

Moses did indeed change God's mind. A similar thing happens with the repentance of one of the Babylonian kings (I don't remember which.), he repents and God decides to ease his punishment.

God the father is indeed timeless and see the future, but He's the Alpha and Omega. He is simultaneously at both the beginning and end of time. But, here's the catch, he's not "in" our time.

The Holy Spirit is the one who lives in our time with us. Thus

>>976

>Because everything good that humans do is God acting through them.

Mostly True.

>So it wasn't that Moses changed God's mind, it's that God debated with himself via Moses.

God is Timeless, immutable, and unchanging. What?


c2d7b9  No.1016

>>1010

If he's not in time, why does he change his mind?


f1992c  No.1019

>>936

Because the old testament cannot be trusted, due to jews not believing in absolute truth. There is the same distance between old and new testament, as between the gospels and any other religion's holy book.


c2d7b9  No.1022

>>1019

All scripture is God breathed


4ce21a  No.1027

God knows all possible middle outcomes.

He can also read mens hearts.

He sees his repentance genuine, so he gives mercy.

Due to moses free will he could have responded in the wrong way, one of the other possible out comes.

So he responded properly and received mercy.


f1992c  No.1031

>>1022

There is no reason to believe any part of a jewish text. Christianity does not build on the foundations of jewish supremacism, which is the ugliest mythology in the world. Jesus simply happend to be born in a corrupt society.


c2d7b9  No.1032

>>1031

If you don't believe the Bible, why are you here?


40cceb  No.1035

>>1010

>God is Timeless, immutable, and unchanging.

Ok, you got a point there…

But Moses also went directly against God's will. God told him to strike a stone with his staff that would destroy the jews, but Moses decided to give them water instead. As a punishment Moses was not allowed to enter Canaan, as a punishment for his disobedience.

So at this point I think God was testing him.


5f0e84  No.1041

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File: 8f5727c96e4de13⋯.png (89.18 KB, 547x434, 547:434, torah.PNG)

>>1031

Part of the lies of Judaism is that it follows and wrote the Old Testament. Turns out they tried many times to destroy/alter/replace the Bible which speaks against them but they failed at this being that it is God's word and not theirs, after all.

You have everything you need.

John 5:46

For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.


367fcb  No.1084

He didn't change His mind, He relented from what He declared He would do. He had decided this turn of events from eternity past.


338f1f  No.1087

>>1006

It's called Thomism




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