/christianity/ - Christian Theology

<I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the cause of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. (Matt. 5:32 NAS)

<And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery. (Matt. 19:9 NAS)

The Greek term here is porneia

porneia: fornication

Original Word: πορνεία, ας, ἡ

Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine

Transliteration: porneia

Phonetic Spelling: (por-ni'-ah)

Definition: fornication

Usage: fornication, whoredom; met: idolatry.

It clearly means sexual behavior. Kissing and sexting aren't sex acts.

You should also know that it is only permissible in an instance of adultery, but it is still better to forgive your adulterous wife and remain with her.

I suppose it means any kind of penetrative intercourse

But I don't know if we're even supposed to be looking at the rules this away wondering "hey is third base okay so long as I don't go all the way"

The holy spirit is supposed to be convicting us of sin so if something pangs our conscience as being off - we ought not to do it

>>5726

>It clearly means sexual behavior

Unchastity, sexual immorality, fornication, etc, yes.

>Kissing and sexting aren't sex acts.

"Sexting isn't sexual". Are you worried about getting impeached? So your wife can suck dicks all day long and that's cool? It isn't sex right?

>You should also know that it is only permissible in an instance of adultery

WTF are you babbling about? We're talking about fornication, not adultery.

>but it is still better to forgive your adulterous wife and remain with her.

There is no adulterous wife. Again, we're talking about fornication. And what is your scriptural basis for this bizarre statement?

Don't try to jew the rules of Christianity. That's Jesus's second pet peeve, the first being moneychangers.

>>5727

It isn't about what can I get away with, it is about what am I doing I shouldn't be. At lots of times a woman being alone in a room with a man was forbidden. We executed male doctors who snuck into rooms where women were giving birth. How are those understandings of chastity and modesty any less valid than our current "who gives a shit orgies for everyone" idea?

>>5728

Why are you so angry?

>2

I didn't say sexting isn't sexual, I said it isn't a sex act.

>3

adultery is synonymous with "Unchastity, sexual immorality, fornication, etc." when we're talking about a married woman. Do you see a difference?

>4 What is your scriptural basis?

<21Then Peter came and said to Him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” 22Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.

Matt 18:21-22

The example of Hosea and Gomer (Hosea 1&2)

<Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so

Matt 18:8

>>5731

> We executed male doctors who snuck into rooms where women were giving birth.

I don't think that's true - at least I don't know of any such historical records

> How are those understandings of chastity and modesty

because our understanding is based on the sexual revolution which was created largely by people who were especially evil

But who cares about historical or modern accounts, the bible gives an account of proper sexuality and the holy spirit will fill in any blanks and grey areas by convicting your soul, what more is needed

>>5726

>Kissing and sexting aren't sex acts.

yes they are

>>5752

No, they're not.

Kissing is performed between even men without condemnation in the Bible, and the Bible identifies lusting after a woman as set apart (but equally wrong) from the sin of fornication.

It's sexual, and it's an act, but "sex act" usually means sexual contact. Benis in bagina.

>>5734

>Why are you so angry?

Why do you think I am angry?

>adultery is synonymous with "Unchastity, sexual immorality, fornication, etc." when we're talking about a married woman.

No it is not, read your bible. https://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2014/11/14/of-fornication-divorce-and-adultery/

>Matt 18:21-22

Your wife is not your brother. A man is the head of his wife. What are the odds that an unfaithful woman will become faithful? A billion to one? Obviously the Lord knew what he was doing when he said you could divorce an unfaithful wife.

>The example of Hosea and Gomer (Hosea 1&2)

Huh?

>Matt 18:8

Also huh?

>>5738

>I don't think that's true

It is. As far as I know the last recorded execution was in Germany in 1522. Dr. Wert was burned alive for sneaking into a labor chamber to observe a woman giving birth. A man looking at a naked woman other than his wife was wrong, and there was no exemption given for calling yourself a doctor.

>because our understanding is based on the sexual revolution which was created largely by people who were especially evil

So, if my wife is alone in a room with a man other than me, that is fornication? It would be considered sexually immoral for much of history, and for good reason I think.

>the bible gives an account of proper sexuality

I don't think it addresses the question I asked though.

>the holy spirit will fill in any blanks and grey areas by convicting your soul

This thread shows people disagree. One dude thinks it is ok for his wife to suck hundreds of cocks because there's no dick in vagina, others think kissing is fornication. I do not claim to know everything, or remember everything I have read. I am asking if anyone knows of any scripture that helps clarify.

>>5765

A peck on the cheek or even the lips that's used as an more-personal handshake isn't sexual. Kissing for pleasure is sexual.

Both the intention and the specifics of the action will clue you into if it is appropriate behavior.

Chastity doesn't mean you're cold and unfriendly, and it also doesn't mean you're making out with some stranger in the bathroom of a club.