/christianity/ - Christian Theology

>>5389

You're making an argument for relativism.

The Protestant gospel is not the same as the Roman gospel. They are mutually exclusive, meaning only one or neither is correct.

This isn't being mean spirited or unnecessarily divisive, it's formal logic. Paul declares in holy scripture that anyone who brings a false gospel is to be accursed. The reformers correctly identified that the Roman church had devolved into heretical soteriology in it's official doctrine, and so the Protestant Reformation occurred. The same debate exists today because the same competing gospels persist.

>>5389

>This means God cares so much about denomination that he will damn you to Hell over this little issue

God doesn't care about what it says on your church door, He cares about the gospel you believe in your heart. OP, read Galatians, and then read the 6th session of the council of Trent.

>What happens when a Catholic marries a Protestant?

A sin

>>5395

I’m OP. I’m not arguing relativism, I’m saying I have an issue with every single possible result here. I’ll stop using Lewis and Tolkien (as I realize it’s maudlin to talk about the state of real peoples souls) and instead use unnamed people from a hypothetical example: a Catholic man marries a Protestant wife. They both serve the Lord in good faith, have a full understanding of the theology of their partner and reject it, favoring their own theology of Catholicism/Protestantism

>Option 1: they both go to Heaven

I’ve got an issue with this. We’ve been fighting over theology for years, both in measured reasonable debate and in vile despicable violence. There are entire encyclopedia-length books that could basically be called “We’re Right and They’re Wrong, with references to scripture and sacred history.” Is this all for nothing? I don’t like this relativism

>Option 2: one goes to Heaven, the other goes to Hell, the one in Heaven is aware of /upset about it

Heaven is supposed to be paradise, how can it be paradise if you have a constant nagging feeling of “my loved one is burning in Hell.”? That sounds like psychological torture and survivors guilt for eternity!

>Option 3: one goes to Heaven, the other goes to Hell, the other is not aware of/upset about it

I have an issue with this one as it’s brainwashing. Does God wipe memories of loved ones? Or worse, do you become a sociopathic pharisee once you get to Heaven? Do people think “my loved one is burning in Hell, good! They picked the wrong team!”? That’s sociopathic, it’s evil!

I don’t like the idea that if I go to Heaven, I’ll have my memory wiped or turn into that

>Option 4: they both go to Hell

This one I think is pretty obvious why it’s bad. I’m this option, a person lived a good Christian life but for loving someone on the wrong team they suffer for all eternity

I just feel like every option here renders Christianity either useless or evil, and I can’t think of any solution

>>5419

This is armchair theology. You're starting with conceptions about how things ought to be.

The Bible is clear. You have the gospel, or you don't.

You are making the relativist argument with option 1, which the first post argued for.

>>5420

>You are making the relativist argument with option 1

No I’m not. I’m not saying I know what is right, I’m saying none of these are good. I am anti-relativism

Understanding of theology has nothing to do with salvation.

You need a good relationship with Jesus and thats it.

That is really all there is to it, but this one thing is crucial and a lot of work.

>>5466

Your relationship with Jesus is entirely contingent on your theology of salvation

>>5494

No it isn't.

Your relationship with Jesus is entirely contingent on the degree of effort you put into that relationship.

What you need to do:

-Pray

-Repent

-Act morally

-Have faith

That's it. Everything else big brain nibba stuff, which is NICE, but not neccessary. If you were right only high IQ people could go to heaven, but that is not true. Even retards can go to heaven.

>>5389

One thing you're doing is adding worldly logic. We're not God we can't ever understand why he does what he does. That's why we read the bibble …too learn about him. Also, any Catholic that unironically thinks that unless you're Catholic you're going to hell is a fool

>>5513

The claim you just made is a theological one

>>5515

Fine.

Than I concede the point if that makes you happy.

>>5516

It does, but I hope you'll reconsider your plan of salvation. If acting morally were a requirement then we'd all be hopeless, because nothing short of perfect morality is good enough for heaven and nobody can achieve that.

>>5517

Acting morally is a requirement though.

Not because you are capable of it, but because you are expected to at least try. It's not a matter of pride, but a matter of duty.

>>5561

Sure, but not for salvation