/christianity/ - Christian Theology

>>3689

IIRC, about a year or two ago, /christian/ attempted to start a seperate exclusively Christian Anonymous image board called 'Christchan'. It seems to have fallen through though, because it has disappeared and I have heard nothing about it since.

>>3690

It's literally time for the next revival anon. Wake up.

>>3690

Has there not been anyone that wanted to pick up the baton and continue the site?

>>3691

I don't have the technical know-how to start up a completely separate Christian image board. And honestly, if I want more civil discussion, I'll go to either a public forum or a Facebook group. I stick around here when I can, because there are people around here who really need Christ and love (yours truly included.) Nevertheless, from time to time, the Online Disinhibition Effect that is exacerbated by the nature of anonymous image boards gets to me, and I need a break. Last week I engaged in some beautiful conversations and interesting debates. This day alone has felt like Summer has already started, so to speak.

>>3692

Not that I know of. Like I said, I myself do not have the technical know how.

>>3693

It would be nice to go out and make one. There are many imageboards that are built off of a structured and already complete default system, which simply needs to be configured on a server and made public. The question of the matter is what type of imageboard backend should it use, since there are apparently various kinds.

It feels like, while still in its earlier stages, /Christianity/ is slowly going the way of the dodo, (see number of ISPs, but lack of posts) as well as /Christian/ (since it contains mostly shitposts). This is mostly because of lacking engagement in good conversations, whereas dynamic posts are outnumbered by spam/derails/trolls. Although it does not need to be inherently bad, the problem is the lack of actual conversation that seems to be on all the boards, not just this one. Excluding the top 5 boards, people in reality are neglecting actual conversation in favor of consumerism by merely reading comments that people post, instead of engaging themselves in the discussion. On top of all this, Imageboards are dying due to being fragmented by different groups, be it spammers, derailers, troglodytes etc. While it should be considered healthy that /Christianity/ would want to separate itself from things that are not pleasing to God, it should also be noted that many people assume having fun is the whole point of being online. The problem is when they begin seek fun as an addictive desire over spiritual satisfaction. As with all things in life, moderation is key.

>>3696

>I love how comfy it is here and I can talk about everything, and people will readily call me a retard when I'm being a retard.

Aside from your retard fetish, you're missing the point. You claim what we have here is almost perfect, which is rather disagreeable. It's comfy here because your heart probably isn't where it should be. All of us are in the same boat, and its sinking. The whole point of OPs post was that anons (autistic pepes included) should be moving to another website entirely on the basis of freeing oneself from the 'chains' of our natural state in the flesh. There is a reason people are called degenerates here, although the word itself has been abused to the point of desensitization. Sinful behavior, such as sexual immorality is a major issue on this site, and turning a blind eye isn't the best way to deal with helping people who still want to believe and hold fast to the faith. the harsh reality is that you can't hang out with the 'cool' people anymore if you intend to keep your beliefs intact, lest you also become publicly a hypocrite, aside from already being one in the face of God. It would be wrong to sugarcoat things like you have, and the issue still remains that a lot of anons struggle everyday with addictions on this site and many others like it. It is like an initiator. Once someone is enticed, they end up seeking out more things to consume, only to realize they've dug themselves a hole they can no longer get out of.

I doubt a single anon here could actually look at you in the eyes and say that they never jacked off to [ insert_example_here]. Regardless, all of us ended up on this board through some sort of dumb stuff in the first place. Let's be honest, there is no way any person would unironically visit this site based off of its perception by the masses, unless they were born an edgy faggot. Any person that knew you were on this site, regardless of the board you were on, would automatically label you just based off of the negative connotations associated with the site, regardless of intentions.

This is the bane of the internet, and also its biggest inhibitor to progress, also not to be confused with the leftist version of progress. Rather, it is preventing the progress of people's minds by stopping them from changing themselves, as well as their hearts, due to constantly being able to consume anything and everything until they are satisfied. Except for the part where we never quite feel that way, and start to repeat the process every day.

TL;DR

>everyone sucks and we are all retarded.

>>3713

What is the relevant ethical difference between sharing a domain with porn or with sharing the open internet with porn?

>>3714

>What is the relevant ethical difference between sharing a domain with porn or with sharing the open internet with porn?

What is the relevant ethical difference between living in a whorehouse that exposes you to all kinds of garbage versus a large 5 star hotel that has separate rooms that people can only get access to by deliberately knocking on the door to each room every time (i.e. domains)?

The difference is the level of access.

Immediate access versus deliberately seeking out the access. You know it's wrong, but temptation can latch onto you much quicker if you are forcefully exposed to it just by being on one website. Let's say you want to go to /pol/ or /b/. You would be hard pressed to not 'accidentally' come across some erotic, sexual, or pornographic images. If you are on /Christianity/ there isn't any of that, but it's only one click away from you seeing it again, and the worst part is that you know it, and you know exactly what you want.

>>3716

I know halfchan and fullchan since their respective launch dates and happily avoided the nsfw boards, after they lost their initial novelty factor.

In fact I was indulging in exclusively /v/ for years, without ever having to visit /b/ or other filth.

On 8ch /christian(ity)/ is currently the only board I visit.

>>3716

Additionally I'm completely clear about the fact, that this "church" lies in the center of the red light district.

It's a result of Christians being prosecuted in other "more liberal" places of the Internet.

>>3717

Plenty of us have probably had our fair share of the chans by this point, since these sites have been around for many years by now.

>On 8ch /christian(ity)/ is currently the only board I visit.

Because this is the internet, I can only assume you are telling the truth.

>and happily avoided the nsfw boards,

>after they lost their initial novelty factor.

oh. Feel lucky you never stumbled upon the [redacted] function.

>In fact I was indulging in exclusively /v/ for years

Anon, I…. find it funny that you place /b/ in the filth category but not /v/. It was literally a cesspit, just a different kind of cesspit haha

>>3718

> I'm completely clear about the fact, that this "church" lies in the center of the red light district.

The fact that this board is almost always stuck between multiple other nsfw boards on the top 50 list is a joke in itself that reveals the perversion of this world.

>>3720

>Because this is the internet, I can only assume you are telling the truth.

You know it's a sin to lie?

>oh. Feel lucky you never stumbled upon the [redacted] function.

When I found out about 4chan in 2004 or so I was only visiting the porn boards, later I was only visiting the other boards, because lewd gifs lost their novelty.

>Anon, I…. find it funny that you place /b/ in the filth category but not /v/.

4/v/ is officially sfw, 4/b/ isn't. Anyways some point random boards lost their appeal to me so I was "discussing" video games only.

>The fact that this board is almost always stuck between multiple other nsfw boards on the top 50 list is a joke in itself that reveals the perversion of this world.

Yes I'm fully aware of it. But you can't go to any random liberal hugbox/safespace elsewere and start talking about Christianity. You always get shouted down and censored by atheists/satanists. This is why I'm here (and still nowhere else on 8ch).

>>3723

>Yes I'm fully aware of it. But you can't go to any random liberal hugbox/safespace elsewhere and start talking about Christianity. You always get shouted down and censored by atheists/satanists. This is why I'm here (and still nowhere else on 8ch).

One of the biggest issues is that we let this happen. Being uneducated in the Word is probably a believers biggest downfall. It's sad that people are no longer able to speak their minds in public, or on the majority of the net, since there are very few outlets that are actually decent anymore.

This is the main reason why having a separate website would be appealing in this case. In other words, the more websites dedicated to freedom of speech, the more likely they will be able to grow and prosper.

>>3716

You're making an argument on why it would be good if porn was absent then claiming your argument shows something different; that using the site is simply unacceptable.

I am a grown man. At my workplace hundreds of lasciviously dressed young women come and go every day, and I'm faced with the temptation to ogle. Should I stop going to work? No, in my judgment of the situation, this issue isn't strong enough for me to need to find another job. It's the same situation here.

Another argument: there's porn on Instagram, YouTube, and Facebook. Should Christians be entirely off of those platforms?

>>3689

It's the left in general that is causing the decline of society, not things deemed vices by Christianity.

A few key observations.

-The west normalizes and accepts people who don't contribute to the human genome. In the past stigmas kept these people in line so to speak; I've heard of gay people having children in an attempt to conform. Now being gay is acceptable, and these people aren't having children.

-Feminism pits men and women against each other when it fills womens' heads with nonsense about how they're social victims. These women may take it out on men, and this hate may end bouncing back to women. Feminism breeds both misogyny and misandry. These people aren't having children either.

-Feminism also normalized women having careers. This means western women are waiting to have children.

Compared all of this to immigrants who don't do the above. Degenerates are kept in line. They don't deviate from gender roles which worked like the west does. They don't tell one gender they're social victims causing unnecessary turmoil. That's why the west as we know it is in decline.

>>3726

>You're making an argument on why it would be good if porn was absent then claiming your argument shows something different; that using the site is simply unacceptable.

There seems to be a misunderstanding here. Review my post again. My argument has foundational differences as compared to the previous poster. The point was that people, including Christians, willingly consent to, neglect abdication against, and frankly ignore such things in their midst, making what is considered a 'social norm' in society, rather than labeling it for what it is: devious and perverse. Separating oneself from that which is unclean seems like a natural response to be a Christian, no?

>Another argument: there's porn on Instagram, YouTube, and Facebook. Should Christians be entirely off of those platforms?

Yes. The Internet is not like the workplace. There is no good reason, nor excuse, to continue consuming mainstream media, the biggest manipulator of fabricated consent and brainwashing in the history of mankind.

Additionally, the bible is rather clear about how Christs followers shall walk in his footsteps, away from all others. It was spoken about by Christ himself to the disciples, and it was spoken by the disciples to newfound believers.

As a common reference, we can look back in the Book of Ephesians where Paul writes to fellow believers to distress his concerns for Jesus'-followers.

Please review Ephesians Chapter 5 Verses 1-20:

>1 Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. 2 And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

>3 But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. 4 Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. 5 For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not become partners with them; 8 for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light 9 (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), 10 and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. 11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret. 13 But when anything is exposed by the light, it becomes visible, 14 for anything that becomes visible is light. Therefore it says,

>“Awake, O sleeper,

> and arise from the dead,

>and Christ will shine on you.”

>15 Look carefully then how you walk, not as unwise but as wise, 16 making the best use of the time, because the days are evil. 17 Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. 18 And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit, 19 addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, 20 giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ

>>3739

Consider it declared once and for all that we on /christianity/ find all pornography to be devious and perverse and reject it's presence in our midst.

If you can't in good conscience consider this board sufficiently detached from porn boards then you should leave.

>>3745

The detachment you think this board has is a bit inaccurate. Some of the ads they have on here are pretty suggestive, the top menu bar literally says to visit various NSFW boards, and the bi-weekly hunger games also advertises NSFW boards for the winner as well. It would not make much sense to call this board sufficiently detached, as if it was somehow a haven away from other containment boards.

However, before you claim that this is nitpicking, you yourself lay claim to rejecting its presence, yet it still surrounds you on all sides. You're not wrong in stating that /Christianity/ is SFW. However, causing your brothers in Christ to sin is not good. You would never actually suggest to someone in public that they should visit this place, because it is filled with vile obscenities. Even if you did, it would be both shocking and damning of your own character, as well as misleading as viewed from the perspective of the other person.

>>3748

This is literally the point of OP's post. To make a website separated from the problems and obscenities. You just suggested the same thing that OP was..

>>3748

I'm not objecting at all to the notion of an entirely sfw site with a christian board, I'm just saying that the current situation doesn't demand we evacuate here.

>>3844

Yes, I'm aware that web communities aren't really churches, but my point still stands.

>>3844

>Does /christianity/'s presence on 8chan have challenges? Certainly, but they're outweighed by many benefits and the potential for evangelism. It's a good sign that we're attracting anons who struggle, they're the people who need Jesus in the first place.

This anon got converted by anime memes on half/pol/, as ridiculous as it sounds.

It was Christians jumping into the cesspit of hate posting love and peace, who convinced me to finally pick up a bible and from there it lead to church and baptism. They did God's work.

>>3844

>including solid Christians

That's a bit of a stretch. Claiming to be a solid Christian if they ended up on this site is almost satirical.

Be careful about labeling things as safespaces, because the world operates based off of those guidelines. These "spaces" are the foundation for groups, communities, societies, and even online forums like this one. The problem is that the term is usually used in a negative way to refer to a 'circlejerk', which is also something that can happen. This site is already classified as a safespace based on the functions of the various boards for taboo topics and content. The point of such a space is to discuss topics without opposition or oppression from outside forces, and focus on the nitty gritty of actual debate and conversation. It is what ultimately develops people, regardless of whether the topics are right or wrong, and regardless of whether it devolves into a groupthink or hivemind that spews literal garbage. That's how people work to change or maintain their views. Freedom of speech is important, and also having a community dedicated to x y or z necessary to have in-depth engagement. Otherwise we would be sharing this place with the rest of the red light district boards, which means no valuable discussion, bashing from athiests/satanists, posting lewd imagery, and derailing of threads 24/7.

As it has been highlighted by other posts in this thread, there is nobody here that unironically visited this website because of their 'good and pure' Christian nature originally.

There cannot be evangelism without a strong foundation. You will only serve to crush yourself and your beliefs, along with your attempt to promote those beliefs to others through what they perceive as two-faced hypocrisy. Nobody can argue that helping people in need is a bad thing, but the length to which people are being helped may ultimately destroy them instead of making it better.

As an example, helping someone to get out of addictions to drugs is great, but going hands-off after their rehab and letting them be on their own might be the worst thing someone could possibly do for them.

You're looking at the board as if it is a missionary outpost, which it could very well be. However, the issue is that this place has no support, no church to call home, and will ultimately disperse due to fragmentation over time, which is literally what happened with /Christian/.

> tl;dr you should probably find another website if you don't get why anons (including solid Christians) like it here.

Your reply is ironic, because it actually encourages OP to find another website, which is what was suggested in the first place.

i.e. >why has there not been a website created to get away from this filth?

Nobody can argue that evangelism is good for bringing people to the faith. The next step is actually keeping people in the faith.

>>3859

The real stuff happens in church with real living Christian people, not online, Anon. Safe space or not.

This what a "missionary output" is for: Bring lost sheep to the flock. A poster on /christianity/, who has no (physical) church to call home, isn't saved yet.

>>3859

You missed the point and repeated the same stuff you've been saying this entire thread. If you and OP can't comprehend why people stay on imageboards in spite of porn boards, perhaps you're the people who should find another site instead of encouraging anons to leave.

>You're looking at the board as if it is a missionary outpost, which it could very well be

That's only part of it.

>However, the issue is that this place has no support, no church to call home, and will ultimately disperse due to fragmentation over time, which is literally what happened with /Christian/

That's quite the opposite of what happened to /christian/: the moderators tried uniting a broad community of christfag anons under their take on Catholicism and purging all traces of imageboard culture (which they do not understand), only to end up creating a passive-aggressive circlejerk that can't meme. The only reason they're still going is inertia from the Christ-chan meme.

Someone sent me a link to this site being sarcastic I think, knowing that the content was overrun by people posting garbage but it's a good place to witness in my opinion, when you keep within the christian catalogs and some of the stuff is funny and ridiculous on here. I use to watch explicit stuff like two and a half years ago and I haven't since because God delivered me from it like overnight, it's obvious this site is full of that but not everyone gets on here for that. I feel like we're talking about the few in sodom lol butt still…

jokes aside, the light shines in the darkness and the darkness has not overcome it.