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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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f63909  No.828344

>God creates the universe with the intent to create humanity knowing full well they will fall away

>God places a tree in the garden that, if eaten, completely winnie the poohs everything up; while also allowing Satan to roam around. (humans at this point are basically just gullible children)

>To no one's surprise, the humans end up eating the fruit

>God kicks them out and curses literally everyone who will ever exist after them

>Later on God gets sick of all the sinning so He sends a flood to kill everyone, except He doesn't succeed because He keeps Noah's family around.

>A few thousand years of conquest and pillaging later, God decides to give humanity salvation.

>He achieves this by sending down His Son, who is also Him, to go and sacrifice Himself to God (who again is also Him) so that He can serve as a loophole to bypass the laws that He created.

>The condition for having this loophole applied to you is declaring belief in that sacrifice, and if you don't you are damned for eternity.

>Gospels that tell this story don't agree on the details of what actually happened when Jesus was resurrected.

>Unrelated point of God is 3 persons, but still one person, but still 3 separate persons at the same time. ?????

I know this sounds like some edgy reddit post, but I'm seriously trying to reconcile all of this with what I know about God. Can someone more knowledgeable than me please clear this up?

The current understanding I have of the Bible tells me it's far too nonsensical to actually be the revelation of God.

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098f4c  No.828350

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>God creates the universe with the intent to create humanity knowing full well they will fall away

read this

audiobook: https://archive.org/details/MereChristianity

>Later on God gets sick of all the sinning so He sends a flood to kill everyone, except He doesn't succeed because He keeps Noah's family around.

God chose Noah on purpose

>Unrelated point of God is 3 persons, but still one person, but still 3 separate persons at the same time

No, three persons and one God. Not three persons and one person.

>Gospels that tell this story don't agree on the details of what actually happened when Jesus was resurrected.

There are no contradictions there, just different details and points of emphasis. Luke not including something that Mark does isn't a disagreement.

>The condition for having this loophole applied to you is declaring belief in that sacrifice, and if you don't you are damned for eternity.

It's not a loophole and it's not merely believing in a sacrifice as a historical event, it's calling on Him as Lord.

You deserve damnation for your sins against God, but God mercifully sent His son to die on a cross in your place. If you become a Christian, you are not damned and instead gain eternal life.

A Christian is someone who is born again, the old man has passed away.

A lot of these apparent problems are solved if you just read the Bible yourself instead of gathering pieces secondhand

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098279  No.828354

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>>828344

Hi OP, thank you for visiting. I was where you were at one time. I’ll do my best to explain these diffcult mysteries in a relatable way. Here’s the sense I personally made out of those points over time:

>Why did God do things that are inconvenient for humanity?

You have to first understand that God didn’t create existence for the pleasure or convenience of anyone other than himself. The same applies to movies, books, and video games we create. All have characters that have unfortunate things happen to them, they suffer, die, etc. These works weren’t created for the convenience of the characters, but that of the creators.

Have you ever killed someone in a video game? All of those questions can then be applied to you

>Why did God’s story involve the belief of his existence being the ultimate goal?

- It makes sense if you consider the possibility that existence is an experiment. Our brains don’t have the hard disk space to perceive God in all his fullness. You can’t put 2TBs of memory on a 50 gig HDD. So the whole experiment might be “can they know me and do my will without seeing me?” Introducing different variables, etc, to test the outcome.

Going back to the video game analogy, when you’re playing a game, and you change the difficulty or rules or whatever variables, why do you do it? It’s for your own pleasure to experience things under different outcomes. Why God does what he does, it doesn’t need to take our understanding or feelings into account. The universe wasn’t created for our convenience.

>Conflicting Gospel accounts

- In Christianity (and Judaism), we believe our works are “inspired.” God didn’t write the exact words that each writer used. Instead, he INSPIRED writers and they all wrote in their own style and from there own perspective.

Because these scriptures are carried by human hands, the details are not always perfect. Dates and places are screwy, information conflicts based on varying memories, but the thing all the writers testify to are true.

IMHO, I think the conflicting memories of events are an greater testimony to the truth. If everyone remembered something identically, it would mean a person group gathered together to invent it.

>The Trinity

- Think of God as an interface. Behind/within the interface are 3 “persons” or unique identities. But we can only interact with the interface itself, and everything that they do individually comes through as being done by the 3 of them together outside of the interface.

Again going back to video games, say you’re playing a 3 player game with two buddies. The characters in the game are unable to see you, personally (the human beings), but every time one of you presees a button it creates a change in the gaming environment.

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304350  No.828365

>>828344

>Unrelated point of God is 3 persons, but still one person, but still 3 separate persons at the same time. ?????

H20 takes on 3 forms. Ice as a solid, water as a liquid, and vapor as a gas.

But no matter what form it takes its still H2O.

No one ever complains about this.

But the Trinity trips some people up for some reason.

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0b22fc  No.828415

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>>828365

That's modalism, Patrick!

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eb9124  No.828421

>>828344

God is not one person

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e2530d  No.828422

>>828354

>>828365

hello, I am new to reading the Bible and just accepted Jesus Christ last 2-3 weeks. I am geting confused about the trinity. is the Father, Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit different from each other as entities. or they are one but just like a fusion of the 3? I hope I can get answers

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098f4c  No.828431

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257a77  No.828436

>>828344

>Unrelated point of God is 3 persons, but still one person

3 persons which share 1 being. There are no parallels to this in the created order, so there's no analogy to be drawn. Any attempt at drawing an analogy for this will inevitably fail and create a heresy if taken too literally.

>Gospels that tell this story don't agree on the details of what actually happened when Jesus was resurrected.

No, they tell four different perspectives. Each gospel is focusing on different details because they're writing for a different purpose.

>God creates the universe with the intent to create humanity knowing full well they will fall away

That's right. God ordained that the fall should take place. There's a purpose in it. It wasn't a goof-up.

>He achieves this by sending down His Son, who is also Him

No, the Father sent the Son. 3 persons, 1 spiritual being. You can't really understand the New Testament without the Trinity. Jesus wasn't praying to Himself in the Garden of Gethsemane, but He very clearly claims to be God, so who then was He praying to?

>so that He can serve as a loophole to bypass the laws that He created.

Nah. He completely satisfies the requirements of the law by serving as a substitute. The law is in no way bypassed.

>The condition for having this loophole applied to you is declaring belief in that sacrifice, and if you don't you are damned for eternity.

Which makes perfect sense once you realize that His sheep know His voice. Not everyone gets to be a sheep. But the sheep will not fail to respond to their Shepherd.

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