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Worship Music 02/18/20 (Tue) 18:29:06 785376 No.827621

This is a very contentious topic.

Adam Neely is a popular musician youtuber. He's presumably a "religious none" from a Christian background.

In the video (embedded) he looks at charismatic contemporary worship music (Bethel, Hillsong etc) and analyzes it from a musical standpoint.

Thoughts? I think he's exactly right on everything without the theological questions of worship.

I can't stand rock band worship. It's worse theologically, musically, congregationally, traditionally.. every aspect. Your small church's 100 seat sanctuary can't accommodate the big venue "coldplay" style it's written in. Nobody sings because they don't really know how it goes and the awkward cheesy performance is distracting.

Contemporary worship music is regress.

You didn't ask but heres a guide

<How to correctly conduct a worship service

>Post the 3 to 5 hymns that will be sung on the hymn boards at the front of the sanctuary (along with the psalm reading)

>People who read music can see the notes on the page of their hymnals

>Organ or piano

>song leader

>small choir singing the parts

>Special music, solo performances during offeratory

Everyone is happy. No experimentation. Everyone knows the words and the melodies. Christian rock fans can listen to it as much as they want outside of the church service.

Thanks for reading my blog

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02/18/20 (Tue) 18:36:23 0dcd44 No.827624

>>827621

Been a guitar player for half of my life, but I agree with you. Popular music with Christian themes is great and very much needed - we need to engage our world in all forms. But I don't understand it's use in worship.

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02/18/20 (Tue) 20:17:11 73458e No.827653

>>827624

>But I don't understand it's use in worship.

I do, but people get mad at me when I point it out. Obviously it's not a good thing.

>>827621

>It's worse theologically

Gotta love all the Unitarian musicians sneaking their way into Christian contemporary music. Who even knows what else has snuck in? And then this music makes its way into unsuspecting congregations.

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02/18/20 (Tue) 20:24:35 0dcd44 No.827656

>>827653

>I do, but people get mad at me when I point it out. Obviously it's not a good thing.

Well, please elaborate. I know Hillsong is bad as a movement, theologically speaking. But what about others?

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02/18/20 (Tue) 21:28:01 73458e No.827665

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>>827656

>Well, please elaborate.

Oooooookaaaaay, but you're not allowed to get mad at me or I'll be sad.

If you believe in the doctrine of Free Will, then this is one of the natural outworkings of that doctrine over time, especially when there are no other elements in place to keep this sort of development in check. There's a very simple, logical reason why. Pragmatism.

If God does not interfere with man's will, especially not in the matter of salvation, then the only other thing that can possibly influence someone to choose salvation is… Us. So then we begin to try to find persuasive ways to convince people. The #1 way to do that is through appeals to emotion. At which point, the Regulative Principle of Worship stands juxtaposed with pragmatism… Guess which one usually wins?

https://founders.org/2016/03/25/the-regulative-principle-a-baptist-argument/

The introduction of this romantic, sentimental music is intended to appeal purely to emotion as a misguided means of convincing people to "make a decision."

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02/18/20 (Tue) 21:39:07 0dcd44 No.827671

>>827665

I'm not mad, but I do think you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater a bit. Thanks for your thoughts though. It's food for thought on the downsides of free will at least (I just don't agree that it's entirely a downside).

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02/18/20 (Tue) 21:53:39 785376 No.827677

>>827665

There are plenty of churches which do not fall for sentimentalism or charismatic worship while affirming free will. You can also affirm the regulative principle and free will.

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02/18/20 (Tue) 22:13:18 73458e No.827689

>>827677

>There are plenty of churches which do not fall for sentimentalism or charismatic worship while affirming free will. You can also affirm the regulative principle and free will.

Yes, of course. I would imagine that the resolve of the leadership is probably the primary determining factor of whether or not a congregation compromises on the Regulative Principle. But what happens when you get new leadership in a church with a senior pastor structure…?

>>827671

>(I just don't agree that it's entirely a downside).

You mean you think the contemporary music in worship can have upsides, or do you mean free will has upsides? I interpreted that as the latter. Not wanting to derail the thread, just clarifying.

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02/18/20 (Tue) 22:27:25 0dcd44 No.827693

>>827689

>You mean you think the contemporary music in worship can have upsides, or do you mean free will has upsides? I interpreted that as the latter. Not wanting to derail the thread, just clarifying.

I mean free will. I'm not a Calvinist, to sum my thoughts there up. But I do agree that CCM in worship isn't helpful to listeners in a worship setting.. and a bit tacky to boot.

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02/18/20 (Tue) 22:37:21 73458e No.827699

>>827693

>But I do agree that CCM in worship isn't helpful to listeners in a worship setting.. and a bit tacky to boot.

I especially hate it when I'm visiting a church and they start playing guitar music or something while people are trying to pray. It's so disruptive.

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