902700 No.814455[Last 50 Posts]
Can we try and explore the multiple books and translations and interpretations and ideas of bibles. the only reason why I wanted to is because of these tweets, is any of this true at all or not? I don't study the bible at all and don't know whats okay or not, I just want non bias information and a discussion
here is the link they also provide source for their information, it's also not to direct hate so don't directly speak to them,
https://twitter.com/n_robe/status/1138531152740921344
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90f57d No.814457
What a ridiculous cope. Ask him if there's any instance in which homosexual activity (or any form of sterile sex) is condoned in the Bible.
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77cdfd No.814458
>>814455
>Bible: Being a homosexual pedophile is bad
>fags: So being a homosexual must be okay!
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ebc2a5 No.814459
>>814455
People can't control their passions to save their life so they cope and make ridiculous assertions like this
Also
>Hasn't been in the bible until 1983
wew i guess those sodomite laws that existed in christendom sprang out of nowhere
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03de7e No.814460
>until the twentieth century no one bothered to distinguish pedos from homos (because there isn't one) so clearly it must be talking exclusively about the former and not the later!
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d8b017 No.814465
>>814455
>a man that lies with a young boy is not a faggot.
>what is 1 Corinthians 6:9
The absolute state.
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d8b017 No.814467
Also, why does this have so many likes and retweets? Why are so many people retarded?
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ae88db No.814480
>>814455
Stop watching anime, OP.
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70b167 No.814482
>>814480
>Stop watching anime
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ebc2a5 No.814484
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d2ea80 No.814485
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
this debate between a gay Christian and normal Christian was a good one to watch to see how weak the gay's arguments are.
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902700 No.814487
It's so much stuff to unfold, mainly these quotes from this image, I don't want it to distract everyone from the twitter thread, but I do want to know the true meaning of these quotes.
Is this the reason why god said dont judge, because if the person has a kind of enough soul they might even enter gods kingdom even if they are gay? so we shouldn't call anyone out and let god do it himself??
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f4fe00 No.814489
>>814487
Read the quote yourself. The examples are obvious reachings that don't make any sense.
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70b167 No.814490
>>814487
>That pic
>Is this the reason why god said dont judge, because if the person has a kind of enough soul they might even enter gods kingdom even if they are gay?
Pic Related
We aren't supposed to hate or deride people for their sins, but they are still sinful. So being gay is still a sin, and so the church doesn't encourage it or allow for gay marriage and the like, but they aren't burning gays like the olden days.
Also, those quotes are bull.
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ab0cd7 No.814491
>>814487
>Ruth loved Naomi as Adam loved Eve
Those verses don't say anything of the sort.
>Jesus affirmed a gay couple
Only works if you assume the guy was screwing his servant
>David loved Jonathan more than women
This one actually says that, but love doesn't just mean sex, Jonathan was a good friend to David, I took it to mean that he would rather spend time with his friend than sleep with a lady. Hell, even what they put on the image would be taken that way if it wasn't next to a gay flag.
>Jesus said some are born gay
Jesus said some are born without working dinguses.
>The early church welcomed a gay man
He was a guy whose balls were cut off to keep him from screwing the queen, if he was gay they wouldn't need to do that.
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90f57d No.814492
>>814487
>this pic
Just so you know, OP, the guy who started that meme was John J. McNeill, a homo who infiltrated the priesthood and got punished by the Vatican for his heresy. Read this https://www.fisheaters.com/homosexualrights.html
>No single book was as influential in my own coming out as the now ex-Father John McNeill's 1976 "classic" The Church and the Homosexual. That book is to Dignity what "The Communist Manifesto" was to Soviet Russia. Most of the book is devoted to offering alternative interpretations of the biblical passages condemning homosexuality, and to putting the anti-homosexual writings of the Church Fathers and scholastics into historical context in a way that renders them irrelevant and even offensive to modern readers. The first impression of a naïve and sexually conflicted young reader such as myself was that McNeill had offered a plausible alternative to traditional teaching. It made me feel justified in deciding to come out of the closet. Were his arguments persuasive? Frankly, I didn't care, and I don't believe most of McNeill's readers do either. They were couched in the language of scholarship, and they sounded plausible. That was all that mattered.
>Several years ago, McNeill published an autobiography. In it, he makes no bones about his experiences as a sexually active Catholic priest – a promiscuous, sexually active, homosexual Catholic priest. He writes in an almost nostalgic fashion about his time spent hunting for sex in bars. Although he eventually did find a stable partner (while he was still a priest), he never apologizes for his years of promiscuity, or even so much as alludes to the disparity between his own life and the passage in The Church and the Homosexual that meant so much to me. It is possible that he doesn't even remember suggesting that homosexuals were supposed to remain celibate until finding monogamous relationships. It is obvious that he never meant that passage to be taken seriously, except by those who would never do more than look in the window – in others words, gullible, well-meaning, non-homosexual Catholics, preferably those in positions of authority. Or, equally naïve and gullible young men such as me who were looking for a reason to act on their sexual desires, preferably one that did not do too much violence to their consciences, at least not at first. The latter, the writer presumed, would eventually find their way back to the porn section, where their complicity in the scam would render them indistinguishable from the rest of the regular customers. Clearly, there was a reason that in the earlier book he wrote so little about the real lives of real homosexuals, such as himself.
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03de7e No.814493
>>814487
>Matthew 8:5-13
>A centurion would have a servant for no reason other than to screw him
what disgusting imaginations these people have
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941e77 No.814495
>>814487
>>814455
No, and they're going to hell for citing a blog as the basis of their beliefs instead of the bible.
Romans 1:27-32 and 1 Corinthians 6:9
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ab0cd7 No.814496
>>814491
I should add that even if the church did welcome a gay man, the church was and is far from perfect, and accepting that someone who has committed a sin into the church is a whole lot different from saying that the sin wasn't sinful.
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dbb836 No.814508
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70b167 No.814511
>>814508
>further implication
I agree that modern anime is trash, but older stuff is far less pandering and gross.
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70b167 No.814514
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ebc2a5 No.814515
>>814508
The thing is, condemning anime as a whole is retarded, because is foremost, in my opinion an artstyle, then a media genre. It would be just like saying watching cartoons make people gay
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649adf No.814518
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70b167 No.814519
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90f57d No.814522
>>814515
If you're old enough to use imageboards you shouldn't be watching cartoons whatsoever, bud.
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7fefdc No.814523
>>814455
>the word homosexual wasn't in the Bible til the 80s!
Pure retardation. The word homosexual wasn't in the English language itself until the 1890s. As though Wycliffe was supposed to look centuries into the future to learn what 21st century Anglophones would be calling sodomites.
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f2f2ac No.814524
>>814522
>If you're old enough to use imageboards you shouldn't be watching cartoons whatsoever, bud.
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW LAD
Also, the first cartoons (ie Looney Tunes, Mickey Mouse, Fleischer animation, etc.) Were intended either for Adults or a general audience rather than explicitly children, so your "point" is crap.
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409b42 No.814525
>>814522
Literal 10 years old kids post here. Image boards aren't super secret dark web sites.
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2d3b7d No.814531
>>814508
Sweetie I've been watching 20 years and I have never come close to even feel any of these things you're saying
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ab0cd7 No.814537
>>814522
This board doesn't have an age requirement, bud.
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f2f2ac No.814540
>>814508
>>814522
Are you guys like boomers who figured out how to internet or what?
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902700 No.814544
OP HERE
I don't want this to get off topic with yelling at each other, I enjoyed all of the information and the interpretations I think some people who are gay honestly want to still be Christians, practice religion and still be close to god and not sin. They might look at it in a way of Jesus being kind and accepting everyone regardless of who they love, as long as they love Jesus and trust him.
That being said It is a thing about making a false god, but I think their intentions are trying to still deeply keep god and Jesus close to them because they truly believe it in their heart but it turns out they are gay, It might anger some but I understand how they can have conflict between themselves that doesn't mean they should justify it I get it, but thats for god to judge.
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f2f2ac No.814545
>>814544
I mean, they could pull an Oscar Wilde and just wait until their deathbed to fully repent.
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f2f2ac No.814547
>>814545
To put it a different way.
To me, homosexuality is the same as any other mortal sin, and likewise can be forgiven so long as you turn to god in times of temptation and confess any slip ups. But you must still recognize that it's wrong. We're all drawn to sin in different ways.
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f2f2ac No.814548
>>814547
Point being they don't need to bastardize scripture to connect with god
sorry for samefaging
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90f57d No.814552
>>814525
>>814537
>literal 10 years old post here
They shouldn't, though.
Polite sage for off-topic
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ab0cd7 No.814553
>>814552
This board should be a place where 10 year olds post, and any poster should keep that in mind. Not to say that we should be immature, but we should conduct ourselves as though children read these posts because they probably are.
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ab0cd7 No.814554
>>814553
>forgot offtopic sage
Golly gosh dangit.
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0c09ba No.814557
>>814508
I think the link is not directly between anime and 'gender dysphoria', but with autism and anime, and autism and 'gender dysphoria'. In that anime doesn't really lead people to being trans, but people that are trans are highly likely to also watch anime.
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ad9e2e No.814564
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
–Jude v.7
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9cb065 No.814566
>>814455
>Got curious about the article they linked
>Look up the Greek words
>Mfw it's just mental gymnastics to the max
This tigga made the discovery that "homosexual" wasn't a word for a long time and thus concludes that it's not a good translation for the word arsenokoites which literally means men-shaggers.
Besides this they just casually throw out all the Church Father quotes, the fact that same-sex couples were not even thinkable as a concept except solely on sexual basis let alone marriage, and that if homosexuality was allowed they'd have had a MUCH easier time with the pederast champions of the time: the Greeks.
Have these gays ever stopped and thought about WHY the Church would make it itself more difficult to maintain order and get converts by fabricating a new commandment against homosexuality?
In the author his mind it literally went from "Hey you see this? It's actually not verboten but lets just make it verboten because hey why not?"
Fricking heck, I even forgot…the article linked is giving an argument that it was forbidden to shag with young boys, thus condemning pedophilia while pedophilia wasn't even a concept up until the early 20th century or so.
Bloody hell girls were married off before 16 years by Jews themselves, Roman girls could marry at 14 and boys at 16.
Our Mother of God herself got Christ around 13-14, and suddenly arsenokoites is only against younger boys because "it was condemning pedophilia!"
Then where is the condemnation of shagging younger girls you bloody arselicker?
That article is both insulting to God and my intellect, shit I'm mad.
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9d425b No.814598
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282d7c No.814601
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282d7c No.814603
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9d425b No.814616
>>814601
>>814603
This guy is hilarious.
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92b2e3 No.814646
>>814455
An interesting commentary I heard on Vatican2 makes sense now: previously, Canon law had been based on Natural Law - that which was written into the hearts of man. The Bible provided supplementary evidence. After Vatican2, the Law was based entirely off scripture, with Natural Law disregarded. The result is that with the ability to read anything you want into the Bible, pretty much anything can go.
We know homosexuality is bad the same way we know murder is bad - it is part of the Natural Law. Written into the hearts of man by God, Natural Law is respected by every major religion on Earth. Those that did not respect it were bound to fail, as they fought the consciences of their adherents. There's a reason why Buddhism and Islam survived, but Aztec and Norse religions faltered. There's a reason why Hindus no longer perform wife burnings: who wants to have their wife burned to death after they die? It's a gruesome thought. Modern western culture will go the same way - simply put, everyone thinks gay bum sex is gross. The cultural zeitgeist is held up by its promoters artificially. They use all their power in society to do this, employing government, celebrities and big business and still fail even then. Because the Natural Law is written into the hearts of man by God, and people are powerless to resist it.
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9cb065 No.814652
>>814616
>>814601
Check his Twitter, this guy is unironically based and breadpilled.
Them fags can't cope.
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7d36d5 No.814673
>>814465
this, but also John 3:19 is what we're witnessing today, men loving darkness rather than light and ignoring the good word for their lusts.
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1e1812 No.815223
>>814485
This Matthew Vines guy is likely going to suffer so much in Hell. Gonna be great considering the amount of damage he has done to the world.
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866811 No.815350
>>814480
Just don't watch trash anime. A lot of the shows out there have really good themes that people in the western world could learn a thing or two from.
>>814601
>that homosexual trying to defend his sinful lifestyle by projecting it onto pedophiles
Pic related
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d8b017 No.815354
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