bb0193 No.813403
Was Cardinal Siri elected as Pope instead of John XXIII?
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5a6247 No.813555
>>813403
It was Alex Jones who claimed something like that, wasn't it?
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f03c34 No.813584
>>813555
It's been something talked about since the day John XXIII was elected.
I think Lefebrve was the first to really spread the idea amongst the laity.
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11550e No.813652
>>813403
He's dead, it's a redundant theory, unless you're a unstable sedevacantist who has a penchant for conspiracy theories, it's like the 'Benedict is still Pope' theory that is currently doing the rounds among smooth brain 'radtrads'.
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e51f4b No.813660
>Pope John XXIII
2nd of his name. Funny how all the other popes skipped the numbers used by anti-popes but the guy who started V2 embraced the anti-pope number.
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4f295b No.813701
>>813652
Prove that theory wrong homophile
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93eafa No.813703
>>813701
Benedict resigned.
Do I win?
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bc0905 No.813704
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8e2bf8 No.813757
>>813403
I want to be a sedevacantist but the deathblow for me was Paul VI promulgated Humanae Vitae, which prohibits the biggest sin destroying the world today, birth control. I still don't know if Paul VI is Saint though, pretty skeptical about it but it's possible
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582f9d No.813763
>>813757
Humanae Vitae is just a reiteration of eternal Catholic doctrine. It's praiseworthy that a man that cannot be called anything other than a revolutionary defended that doctrine, because I honestly wonder if our Lord word have struck him dead had he not. It would have led to the Church tolerating sodomy, I have not doubt in my mind.
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8e2bf8 No.813892
>>813763
No, first of all many people even in the clergy thought that they would actually OK birth control, and I mean see even the Winnipeg statement. Secondly Paul VI did not have to promulgate that, he could have just said nothing and left it to be more ambiguous. He had no reason to do so and he did
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4f295b No.813935
>>813703
No, you're a brainlet who evidently doesn't understand the argument, you lose.
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4e4db1 No.813941
>>813403
No one really knows what happened in that conclave.
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1e3436 No.814873
>>813935
Not OP but I do know that Benedict resigned (obviously) and since then has reiterated at different points that it was of his own will and that it was legitimate. If he was secretly holding on and trying to warn the masses he’s still pope, he’s doing a less than great job
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0ea4c8 No.814967
>>813403
If Siri was actually the Pope he would be objectively the worst Pope in history because he just hid like a coward and never tried to let his flock know that they were being deceived. If he was Pope the Novus Ordo would also definitely be invalid and he was perfectly willing to celebrate it.
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718581 No.814976
>>814967
That I think is the most damning part of the so-called "Siri thesis."
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06b8ff No.814990
I believe it. We need only look at the example of Anacletus II. For several years he was almost universally accepted as the Pope; it took a while to figure out that the prior election of Innocent had been legitimate. From Catholic Encyclopedia, about Anacletus: "The majority of the cardinals with the Bishop of Porto, the Dean of the Sacred College, at their head, stood at his side. Almost the whole populace of Rome rallied around him. His victory seemed complete, when, shortly after, the Frangipani, abandoning what appeared to be a lost cause, went over to him." Apparently there are still some modern-day canonists who think that Anacletus had the better claim to the papacy. When the smoke clears, I fully expect it to be established that John XXIII was the "uncanonically elected pope" who would wreak havoc on the Church.
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06b8ff No.814993
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