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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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921076  No.813377

I mean this according to the Dawkins definition of a meme. Namely, "an idea, behavior, or style that spreads from person to person within a culture—often with the aim of conveying a particular phenomenon, theme, or meaning represented by the meme."

Things that they sincerely believe about Christianity and use over and over again despite how erroneous it is or how many times it has been refuted, and yet persists. I'm trying to come up with a list of them.

Some examples:

>If Christians hate homosexuality, they should also abstain from pork, not wear mixed fabrics, [enter Levetical laws here]; they just cherry-pick

>Christianity is an opiate of the masses, invented to mind-control people into subservience

>The Christian religion couldn't sustain itself if it didn't indoctrinate children and get them brain-washed before the age of reason

>If there were a god, he'd have to be evil to allow innocent children to suffer

>If Christians believed in science instead of faith, they'd be atheist, because science and faith are diametrically opposed

>If Christians were empirical, they'd be atheist, because there is no empirical or historical evidence in favor of Christianity

>If Christians were rational, they'd be atheist, because there are no rational arguments in favor of Christianity

>Christianity would have never existed if bronze-aged people hadn't been so gullible and unintelligent

>If Christianity were so "good," there wouldn't be so many people who have done bad things in the name of Christianity

>If god was real, why would he wait so long to appear and leave humanity without a god for the first several thousands of years?

>If god was real, why didn't he appear during the modern age when humanity had the ability to record and test his miracles?

Give me more. I'm sure I'm missing common ones. Give me those arguments or statements that are so absurd that you immediately just shut down the conversation because you know you're wasting your time and nothing you could say will matter. Rather, the things atheists say that indicate to you that you have a real euphoric fedora on your hands.

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c68ae7  No.813378

The conflict thesis is the biggest one. It was a fabrication of enlightenment philosophers who wanted to create a narrative of enlightened rationalists escaping the restrictive chains of religious dogma.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_thesis

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c23b6a  No.813382

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One of my favs

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ecc5d7  No.813407

>>813377

These are all boomer arguments so they won't be relevant in the future anyway.

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7eb8f5  No.813415

>>813407

I find them exceedingly relevant even today

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9ee5ad  No.813440

>Can God create a rock so heavy even he could not lift it

>How can you be pro-life and support the death penalty

>Why didnt God sent prophets to the Native Americans/Chinese

>The Bible was written 100+ years after the death of Jesus and changed many times and is highly unreliable

>Why did God stop stop talking to people

>Isnt it convenient that Jesus only fullfilled the prophesies which were not testable to later generations

>Jesus was just a good moral teacher/commie/hippie

>If Christians are so loving why dont the let people do sin X

>People are only Christian because they are scared of facing reality

>Who created God if everything has a creator?

>Religion was just created by greedy/powerhungry people to fool the plebs.

>Christianity is a rip of pagan religion X

>How can you believe in one God and the Trinity

>Being nice gets you into heaven

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a3c40d  No.813483

Can somebody give the answers to these things? We don't want this thread to cause anyone to stumble.

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900ae1  No.813494

>>813377

>>813440

Don't forget

>If god real why bad thing

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f98c00  No.813498

>>813483

Sure I'll do my best

1. A redundant question. That's like saying can an unstoppable force move an immovable object. Omnipotence does not mean you can make paradoxes work (though I'm sure the Lord could do it for the lulz)

2. Taking the life of a defenseless child and acting out Justice towards a criminal are two different things. Though, all death roe inmates should receive last rites as a final peace towards God.

3. He did with Francis Xavier to the East and Our Lady to the West.

4. Apostolic oral tradition kept the truths of the bible. That would like saying the Odyssey is unreliable because it was played thousands of years ago. People had much better memory then we do now. Also the Protestant Reformation is responsible for all those knock off bibles. The Vulgate is a good translation of the original bible.

5. Visions and appirations of Our Lady shows he uses Saints to rely his message now, as his work here on Earth is done for the moment. Also he isn't too proud of some of us.

6. Jesus fulfilled all his prophecies with multiple eye wintness accounts, some of them being former unbelievers.

7. Jesus wasn't a happy go lucky guy. He came because we were screwed to put it bluntly. Sure, he wanted people to get along but warned them of torment if they didn't.

8. We don't let them do x because we love them. If someone tells you to stop your drug addiction, they don't do it because they hate you, but the very opposite.

9. People are Christian because they face reality.

10. An all creator is everything itself. It has no creator. If this is a difficult to understand, take a few philosophy classes, they probably can explain it better.

11. If it's to fool the plebs, why were those same hungry power oligarchs scared and wanted to surpress Christianity? Why did those Roman emperors eventually convert to the plebs religion, while destroying the imperial cult itself?

12. Debunked multiple times. Just because two things seem related, doesn't mean they are.

13. The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit all together are one God, the Almighty. I haven't taken Theology yet, so would appreciate if someone added on here.

14. A nice Athiest would get a nice spot in Hell.

>>813494

Because people in the absence of God do bad things.

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a1908a  No.813510

>>813498

That's a nice post.

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7eb8f5  No.813622

>>813440

OP here: Oh, man, this is some good stuff. Love it. Thank you for your contribution.

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02f2dc  No.813623

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1fe5a9  No.813655

>>813623

That's a great meme

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c8d641  No.813830

>>813382

This just makes me sad, Scientism was one of the worst things to come from the enlightenment.

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1ce980  No.813846

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>>813382

Neil DeGrasse Tyson, proving to us all that yes, a black man CAN go to space.

This picture is oc.

>>813498

Excellent post.

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64000e  No.813869

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>>813382

You could also add this good fella. He was more into religion, alchemy and the occult than he was into physics. When he wrote the "Principia" he didn't write it out of detailed scientific investigations, but out of pure intuition about how the world worked, which he had developed through his religious/occult studies. It's no coincidence that the greatest scientist, the ones who bring forth changes of paradigm, tend to be extremely religious (Schrodinger and Bohr were also deep into the occult). Science is about understanding reality and finding the truth, and those who are serious about knowing try to understand the religious side of human existence.

I'm not encouraging anyone to get into occultism, though. It's mostly a great waste of time, 99.9% of it is bollocks. There are some things of value here and there, specially in alchemy, but those are things taken from Christian philosophy, so if you wanna go metaphysical, go Christian.

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0f5d9f  No.813870

>>813498

Good answers.

>God bless

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