da3150 No.812251
Do you lads also feel disgust towards atheists desperately pretending to have converted out of fear of death? Is pretending to be christian acceptable?
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3bae7a No.812282
The fear of God is the beggining of wisdom
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3208f7 No.812293
>>812251
I thought it was an act of conformity rather than pascal's wager.
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52b16f No.812295
>>812251
if they follow the doctrine they're not pretending.
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e91f9a No.812318
>>812251
How do you know they're pretending? St. Dismas lived a criminal life, yet at the last possible moment he repented and went to heaven. Don't you think the same might happen with those atheists?
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262e55 No.812319
>>812251
>Luke 15:25-32
>25 Now his elder son was in the field, and when he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard music and dancing:
>26 And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.
>27 And he said to him: Thy brother is come, and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe.
>28 And he was angry, and would not go in. His father therefore coming out began to entreat him.
>29 And he answering, said to his father: Behold, for so many years do I serve thee, and I have never transgressed thy commandment, and yet thou hast never given me a kid to make merry with my friends:
>30 But as soon as this thy son is come, who hath devoured his substance with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
>31 But he said to him: Son, thou art always with me, and all I have is thine.
>32 But it was fit that we should make merry and be glad, for this thy brother was dead and is come to life again; he was lost, and is found.
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a92e15 No.812326
>>812251
It would be more annoying if they converted like 5 different religions when they were close to death.
Like they were spreading their bets on which one is right.
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a92e15 No.812328
>>812326
hedging their bets I mean.
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49b51a No.812333
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Just because a person is driven by fear, I don't think that makes their faith insincere. The line "Fear is the beginning of Wisdom" to me, indicates that fear is the starting point for most people in their faith.
Imagine a man that lived a terrible life and in his final moments, out of fear of death, requested a baptism. Do you feel disgust for such a theoretical person OP? Would you say this person was "pretending" to be Christian in those final moments?
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e91f9a No.812334
>>812326
Yeah, especially those new age boomers that adopt with a different version of eastern esoteric bs every week.
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6dd93e No.812348
I posted Neumann as an example, but it seems nobody quite caught on.
>>812282
Fear of God, sure. Fear of death, or of the non-existence of God? No.
>>812293
Pascal's wager is also bad.
>>812318
I don't know that Neumann didn't genuinely become christian in his very final moments, but it's his attitude previous to that which disgusts me.
>>812319
I hold literally nothing against death bed conversion.
>>812326
That's peak disgust.
>>812333
I would if he didn't actually think that baptism was doing anything, but rather using it as a placebo to feed delusions he consciously created and accept death more easily.
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e6b6cb No.812351
>>812348
>I posted Neumann as an example, but it seems nobody quite caught on.
I did. I just didn't care to post.
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986aa6 No.812358
My conversion started as a consciously reactionary defense against nihilism, along the lines of "this is what people in the past did to stay sane, so I'll do the same." This was the seed though: realizing that religion is natural and necessary for Man, and that we're wired for God, so to speak. It set the groundwork for authentic faith, so that later on I was receptive to God when He revealed Himself to me through the philosophy I was reading. When you think about it, to accept God in any capacity at all is a grace, since without His grace we could only blaspheme and rebel. Keep your eyes on your own journey and pray for those who need it, and God will sort out the rest.
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67e5eb No.812461
>>812348
Neumann became a Catholic when he was a young man and not on his death bed.
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fcc59a No.812531
>>812251
>>812348
Von Neumann and his relatives immediately converted to Catholicism after their father died. It implies that he wanted to do it for a long time, but he was hindered by his father.
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52701a No.812537
>>812326
Except that would be applying the logic of one religion to all of them.
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fa22d9 No.812862
Council of Trent, Session VI, Canon viii. If any one shall say, that the fear of hell, through which, by grieving for our sins, we flee unto the mercy of God, or refrain from sinning, is a sin, or makes sinners worse; let him be anathema.
If they're genuine, looks like they're OK.
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