03d998 No.800717
Simple philosophical question: What’s the point of Christian life in this world if it’s really all about the next world?
Judaism as you know is all about this world. Buddhism too is about the here and now.
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759bc9 No.800719
>>800717
Because this life is preparation for the next world. If you're going camping in the woods and forget to bring basic supplies, you're kinda winnie the poohed. It's important to prepare and you better do it right.
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283c9c No.800720
This world wont be gone but will change and we'll return here after resurrection of the dead.
Also, during our lifetimes we set our spiritual vectors either towards God or against Him.
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e77309 No.800721
>>800717
> what's the point of living for paradise when you could just accept and embrace the corrupt world we live in today?
Really?
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03d998 No.800722
>>800719
So investing time researching and choosing the right church?
>>800720
>This world wont be gone but will change and we'll return here after resurrection of the dead.
This has been a point of confusion for me. Will Heaven really be physically merged with this world? (In Islam, the entire universe is annihilated before resurrection and Heaven.)
>>800721
Is the world just a write-off then?
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03d998 No.800724
>>800721
>embracing the corrupt world
<improving the corrupt world
In Judaism, the point of life is to do “mitzvoth” and to “create an abode for Gd in the lower worlds.” Is the Christian answer to basically say “that’s not possible, give up” ?
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46cfb3 No.800728
It's not just about the next world. That's Gnostic nonsense.
"When he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." - Luke 17:20,21
"Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." - Matthew 5:14-16
The "Good News" isn't really good news if he has no relevance in this life, as well as the one to come. And if the world was so meaningless, then GOD HIMSELF would have not come in the flesh and lived with us.. and then die for us.
Only the true historical church knows this and teaches body and spirit. Not just spirit.
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03d998 No.800730
>>800728
>It's not just about the next world. That's Gnostic nonsense.
Agreed. So I repeat the question: what’s the purpose of life?
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46cfb3 No.800735
>>800730
Gratitude.. then glorifying God.
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c50b93 No.800737
>>800717
The point of this world is to place others on the proper path to God's kingdom. That's why you're instructed to spread his world as disciples.
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46cfb3 No.800741
>>800735
Actually, that's a bit terse. When I say gratitude, I mean a grateful soul also wants to love others and to share in their blessings and to see the good in life, and creates more occasion for others to be grateful as well. It has a chain effect. In the end, we become one in knowing who is the ultimate source of our blessings.
But when someone breaks or ignores this chain, that's when things go wrong.
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7151bd No.800744
>>800722
>>800724
No one said you can't try to make the world a better place for your children and their children. But the next world, heaven, will be objectively perfect. Far better than this world.
When I say "embracing this world" it means "falling for worldly desires" like lust, greed, etc. Only through God will this world be perfect, but the world definitely aint making it easy.
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a708f1 No.800745
>>800730
We are called to be in the world but not of it, meaning there is a body and soul. There is no contradiction there. In fact it is in the soul where morality exists. Talmudic Judaism is a worship of man, Buddhism is a philosophy not faith.
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901ff0 No.800757
>>800745
Sorry, I'm the anon who just quoted St. Luke and talked about gratitude above. VPNs switch my ID.. but let me just agree with this anon and add more to this distinction:
St. James starts off his Epistle with this:
"Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." -James 1:27
Notice how he couples helping the material needs of those less fortunate, yet also being unblemished by the world (of sin)? So yes, this anon is right. There's no contradiction here. James further on distinguishes what a worthless religion looks like:
"What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, and one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." - James 2:14-17
I would paraphrase that further. "What does it profit to wave away the hungry and naked and tell them meaningless platitudes about the afterlife.. and then not helping them in the here and now? Your faith is dead in that case." And that person too is breaking the chain of Gratitude which I mentioned above. They've only created more emptiness in the world instead.
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03d998 No.800855
>>800737
So then, missionary work? Not so satisfying an answer, because I’m asking what is the message that we’re spreading in the first place.
>>800735
>>800741
>we become one in knowing who is the ultimate source of our blessings
Is the point of life to “know God,” then? To know true righteousness, that is what everything is all about?
>>800745
You didn’t answer the question you quoted. I agree with “in the world but not of the world,” that is orthodox teaching.
>Talmudic Judaism is a worship of man
Can you elaborate on this? Talmud is supposed to be the interpretation of God’s laws, not worship of man. E.g. It’s not humanism.
>Buddhism is a philosophy not faith
“Buddhism is a philosophy not a religion” is a meme. It’s fully a religion, one of the world religions, but more to the point, there is Christian philosophy too which is what the question is about. I’m not asking about any point of doctrine.
>>800757
Would you paraphrase by saying the point is simply to enjoy the Christian life which means to revel in the intrinsic rewards of Christian morality?
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ad7484 No.800876
>if it’s really all about the next world?
It is not. It's to live for the glory of God, both in this life and the next. If you live in this life for a long time, then it's to glorify God. If you die suddenly and move on to the next life, you will glorify God there as well.
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4011ca No.800901
>>800876
I like that. I also just found this:
“The point of the spiritual life, on the Biblical reading, is to surrender in faith to the purposes of God and to accept from God a mission to incarnate his love in the world.”
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74a2b6 No.800927
>>800717
Earning the afterlife.
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e1af45 No.800932
>>800927
You can't earn your way into heaven, if God gave us what we deserved we'd all be going to hell.
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4011ca No.800933
>>800927
That’s unChristian m8
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2131df No.801010
>>800927
>pic related
Ooga booga. Where da white woman at?
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18cb8b No.801013
>>800717
Because it tells us to do good in this world?
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d36ee3 No.801022
>>800722
Both Heaven and Earth will be destroyed and remade as one place.
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2d25f4 No.801029
>>800717
I think Christ made it pretty clear that in order to go to heaven, you have to do things with heaven in view "don't store up treasures where moth and rust corrupt etc."
I think this is distinct enough from the faith and works versus faith alone controversy, because no matter which theological view you take, it basically amounts to the same thing
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7e237b No.801161
>>801022
>Both Heaven and Earth will be destroyed and remade as one place
So would we say that the point of a Christian life is to preview Heaven, or something like that?
Will our spiritual state change dramatically before and after death/resurrection? Will there be a sense of spiritual “relief” after judgment where before there was a degree of suspense and tension?
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7d7845 No.801190
>>800730
To love God and be loved by Him in turn I think.
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3cdc93 No.806229
>>800932
Salvation does require effort
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5bbb64 No.806398
If you think that Buddhism is only about the here & now, I suggest you spend some time reading the devadutta sutta,
It's Buddha's description of hell.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.130.than.html
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ea5497 No.806419
You gotta love Jesus and I mean love him both mentally and physically. Practice giving your body to Jesus.
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ea5497 No.806420
>>800932
Found the hellbound “faith alone” heretic. read James 2 before you burn in Hell.
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fdf373 No.808909
>>806420
Galatians 2:21
Galatians 2:16
through works one could never be worthy. so if faith is dead without deeds, would it not still be dead with deeds?
do you suggest God not already know your faith/heart/being without deeds?
James 2 seems be echoing an old testament type of law, which Jesus put an end to with His sacrifice.
Galatians 3:23-29
Romans 10:4
Ephesians 2:14-18
it is through the grace of God and the death/burial/resurrection of Jesus Christ that offers us salvation, not any ritual or deed. here is wisdom: do not deny His suffering and sacrifice.
John 3:16
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f17a8f No.808927
>>806419
One way to do this is with the time honored (and biblical) tradition of fasting. By denying the passions of your flesh you are able to conquer your vices and cultivate a hunger for God.
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23a5c8 No.808929
>>800927
>earn
palagian heresy
I guess one way of thinking of it, is we're here to both discern and pursue the right thing. Other than that, we are here to work, eat, and have a family.
[Ecclesiastes 2:24]
A person can do nothing better than to eat and drink and find satisfaction in their own toil. This too, I see, is from the hand of God,
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b2e4da No.808938
>>800717
Only thinking about the afterlife and metaphysical subjects is akin to Gnosticism. The Church never taught this. It doesn't neglect one for the other. If anything, what is central to Jesus' teachings is bringing Heaven on Earth as much as we can. Not simply going to heaven, but also spreading it here. Via the Gospel and our conduct.
"Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven."
"You are the light of the world."
In addition to that, he knew that we had material needs, along with spiritual ones. He didn't tell us to starve ourselves and wish for death. He said to ask for your daily bread, but don't let your life revolve around it. He taught us to live without worry, but that God knows we have need of some things and will provide. If he wanted us to think none of this mattered, he wouldn't have even mentioned it.
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843627 No.808987
>>800728
>And if the world was so meaningless, then GOD HIMSELF would have not come in the flesh and lived with us
If the world weren't meaningless, He wouldn't have felt the need to visit to make it less so.
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bed591 No.815473
>>800717
Real Buddhism is not about the here and now at all. It's just as afterlife focused as Christianity is. The goal is to completely break out of the cycle of death and rebirth (samsara) by removing all attachments to this world.
https://encyclopediaofbuddhism.org/wiki/Samsara
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