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It's like if you 3D printed legos, is it stealing if you made a copy?

>>800534

→https://www.ignatius.com/Ignatius-Bible-RSV-2nd-Edition-P1125.aspx

Unless there is a free version available I'm not aware of then downloading this without paying the creators is theft, is it not?

>>800532

It is wrong for them to force the people to buy the bibles. The bible is supposed to be free so the word of God can spread easily.

>>800532

I've noticed alot of people here defend piracy.

If you're going to do this them email whoever owns the translation and ask for permssion first.

>>800539

It is unethical to make the profit gains from this bibles because it hinders the spreading the good news.

>>800540

What's stopping people from going to church? You're not entitled to a free bible.

>>800541

If I am a leader of my Christian nation then it will be illegal for anyone to make the profit gains from selling the bibles. It’s a mandatory requirement for the people to have the bibles in their homes.

>>800544

Brilliant

>>800538

Find even one place in the Bible smith at says this.

Books were far more expensive to produce back then than they are now. Nobody just gave them away for free.they spread the word by preaching, not handing out full books.

>>800544

False equivalency, shill.

>>800544

>Mark 6:41

>And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the loaves, and gave them to his disciples to set before them; and the two fishes divided he among them all.

That's really not the same as making a copy.

Has the copyright owner approved of the copy bring available like this? If not you are committing a crime.

Bible Gateway already has plenty of free Bibles online.

>>800543

>illegal for anyone to make the profit gains from selling the bibles

>It’s a mandatory requirement for the people to have the bibles in their homes.

How will people get a bible when noboby is producing them?

If you got it from Gutenberg they check their books very carefully and make sure there are no copyrights left on the book. If it's on Gutenberg, it's public domain.

But people who produce Bibles have printing costs so you really should pay them. If it's a PDF, someone had to get paid to convert it to a PDF, unless it was just a volunteer scanning in the pages. If proofreading was done it can be a LOT of work, I've done it before.

>>800532

If piracy is genuinely not a type of stealing, then we should be committed to getting rid of all intellectual property rights right now and allow everyone to copy anything freely everywhere and in all things.

Now we have to admit copying is not innately unlawful, imitation is for example how many people learn, that's why you notice trends in art - artists copy one another. Copying is how ideas and information spreads, it is a mechanism in it's own right, and generally a good thing.

Copying is only a problem for people who seek to commoditize ideas and information, and rightly so, it is obvious that piracy causes problems for them. That piracy might do some things good is circumstantial, it is clearly in principal bad for producers, that much is obvious.

Basically what the problem boils down to is this: Is the information in question a commodity? If yes, then it is a type of theft to take it without paying. If no, it is not theft to take it. Information is not like physical objects in that can be moved, to copy an idea IS to take it.

Is stealing only wrong because it deprives the other person of the thing? Even if all things were copyable and not just information, it would still be wrong to copy someone else's commoditized good without fulfilling your end of the contract. People do not have the right to commoditize all the information that comes from them, but clearly if there is anything people do have the right to commoditize, it is digital goods.

>>800535

>This ebook cannot be sold to the United Kingdom.

>>800557

Christian government produces the bibles to everyone.

>>800580

Will the goverment conjure the bibles out of thin air, or will they pay people to create these bibles?

If people are gettng paid, then people are still making money from selling bibles, they're just selling it to the goverment instead.

>>800582

>Will the goverment conjure the bibles out of thin air, or will they pay people to create these bibles?

No, the automated factories produces the bibles.

>>800584

There is no Christian nations, not even the catholic nation. I am talking about my fantasy Christian nation. By the way, I am not a commie.

>>800590

>I am talking about my fantasy Christian nation. By the way, I am not a commie.

Well then go LARP somewhere else.

>>800584

Vatican City provides free Bibles.

>>800598

That nation is corrupted so I won’t consider it to be a Christian nation.

>>800600

Fortunately for the rest of the world, your fee-fees don't matter.

>>800532

The ends don't necessarily justify the means. Doing evil, even for the sake of a good outcome, is still doing evil. Theft is a sin, period.

>>800610

>-am I more damned because I stole it

Yes, because it is thievery but you won’t go to hell as long as you believe in Jesus and God.

>am I more blessed because I read and shared the Word of God?

Yes, because you are saving the souls.

>>800628

>but you won’t go to hell as long as you believe in Jesus and God.

Even the demons believe.

(((Copyright))) is a non-biblical man-made invention, trying to proprietarize ideas and thoughts owned and given out by the Creator.

If you want a free Bible that is reverent and free of modern interpretation, use the KJV. Piracy is a further sin on top of spreading heresy.

>>800643

Be that as it may, it's still a sin to break the law needlessly.

Also copyright should apply to translations, but shouldn't, and in the law doesn't, apply to porn. When are the gnu/hippies going to protest copyright of porn, without which there wouldn't be a porn industry?

>>800644

But the KJV puts me to sleep anon. The Iggy is at least tolerable so that’s what I’m going to read.

>>800643

Proggie

I remember finding a Bible that was published under some kind of GNU license that basically meant it was legally acceptable to both download it and distribute it. You should check if your .pdf has that license at the start of the book. There should be mention of something like that, if it has it.

>>800685

So if it's not just about the ethics of it and you plan on reading it it there are a few other suitable options then that are downloadable as well.

American King James for one, and also the World English Bible which has apocrypha but the LXX2012 and NETS also do.

https://ebible.org/

https://biblehub.com/akjv/genesis/1.htm

There's also an Ordodogs Study Bible pdf that can be found on google which isn't as easily navigable and may conflict with your ethical dilemma.

The AKJV is basically like the NKJV but even more accurate to the original KJV rendering and is free and not copyright.

The WEB is in similar vein but it's a revision of the ASV which would make it more like the RSV and ESV. Isaiah is rendered with virgin too. I think the AKJV is probably the best of these though.

ebible also has downloadable pdf, epub, and mobi files.

I found it!

http://www.lambfold.org.uk/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/kjvbible.pdf

According to this document, the KJV is in the public domain which means you are free to download it as well as share it with a friend. This .pdf of the KJV is also in the public domain. All on page 4. I don't know about the other versions of the Bible but at the very least, if it's the KJV, you're alright OP. You cannot pirate public domain works.

I think the document that was published under GNU that I was thinking of was a C Programming Tutorial .pdf.

Just to clarify: you cannot pirate public domain works because that's impossible. If it's public domain, no-one has any rights over it.