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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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f64c8b  No.791534

"What does Athens have to do with Jerusalem?" - Tertullian

No but seriously, what does pagan philosophy and culture have to do with the God of Israel?

e2a978  No.791545

>>791534

You're 1700 years late to be making that question. Greece was already converted lol


63c1f7  No.791562

>>791534

Umm, the technical answer is nothing, and much less so in the case of Athens. If there ever was a city in Greece with a comparable mindset to the Israelites, it would be the Spartans.

>Both Sparta and Israel had a strong legal ethic

>Both were deeply religious communities

>Neither produced high art

>Both had a disdain for materialistic behaviour

>Duty-bound ethos

>Maccabean Israel had good diplomatic relations with Sparta

In short, Athens has nothing to do with Jerusalem. Athens in it's day was nearly as crass and materialistic as Corinth. Plato, Socrates and other pro-Spartan Athenians like Thucydides all take turns deriding Athens for politically motivated stupidity. Athens was the America of her day; civic oriented but with a serious case of freedom induced retardation.

Prominent Athenians whose memory was preserved and highly esteemed by later Romans and Christians tended to be conservative, pro-Spartan people like Socrates, Plato, Thucydides, and Aristotle, not pro-Athenian Sophists like Protagoras and Gorgias. Invariably, the 18th century philosophes of France like Voltaire, Rousseau and Montesqieu, and even Thomas Paine in America, had to work diligently to obscure the overarching right-wing attitudes of the most prominent Ancient thinkers in order to further their revolutionary goals. Oddly therefore, the "Enlightenment" philosophers push the relativism that you find in the mouths of the Sophists, such as Gorgias, who said that he could not know if gods existed or not, owing to the obscurity of the subject and the shortness of men's lives. Socrates however is certain of the existence of God as he makes abundantly clear throughout his dialogues, especially the Apology and the Crito.

Plato also in the Republic describes an idealized form of the Spartan constitution, i.e. an Aristocratic and Oligarchic Kingship where personal talent is rewarded with political power, the stupid cannot vote and there is a philosopher-king in control.

So the only thing Athens and Jerusalem both have in common is that in both cities, you were part of the cool kids if you liked Sparta.


766d05  No.791575

>>791534

Dionysius the Aeropagite had no qualms melding platonism with christianity


733478  No.791579

>>791534

They were both parts of the Roman Empire and were Hellenized which spread the influence of different intellectual products of Athens. Christians found utility in the works of these thinkers and terminology and in particular to reason about doctrine to try to better understand and articulate theological questions.


35f203  No.791611

Ever wondered why it isn't "At. Tertullian"?

>>791575

*Pseudo-dionysius

And his most likely identity was a miaphysite Georgian prince, Peter the Iberian


35f203  No.791612

>>791611

*St. Tertullian

Idiotic autocorrection


7a0cb9  No.791647

>>791611

>Ever wondered why it isn't "At. Tertullian"?

Not really, but I'm confident the reason isn't that he failed to idolize pagan philosophers


330f9f  No.791649


409cc3  No.791650

>>791534

Ask the pagans themselves. They are the ones who left their religion of slaves in droves to be baptized in the name of Christ.


427d4e  No.791651

>>791534

>what does pagan philosophy and culture

because a philosophical system is a cogent rational system, not an ideology or a religion. when Aquinas took Aristotelianism, he followed the example of St. Jerome and Greek rhetoric/literature, "…in Deuteronomy the command given by the voice of the Lord that when a captive woman had had her head shaved, her eyebrows and all her hair cut off, and her nails pared, she might then be taken to wife…desire to make that secular wisdom which is my captive and my handmaid, a matron of the True Israel…"

It is a common mistake to reduce Thomism/Scholasticism as some sort of ideology or religion in and of itself, and not a coherent philosophical system merely based on the Greeks, with the merit of also being informed by Divine Revelation.


427d4e  No.791652

>>791650

they left behind the religion, and the ideology, but took the fount of philosophy with them. we can look to St. Justin Martyr as an immediate example, in addition to St. Augustine and St. Jerome


35f203  No.791742

>>791649

>pravoslavie.ru

Fudge off




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