/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

Dr. E.Michael Jones did a program on that university, Notre Dame.

He says that it has been stolen from the Church by Father Hesburg and was used by the government to social engineer young catholic students with feminism,darwinism, psychology, … And getting them in debt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAyUs7a4r84

>>789591

Fu king disgusting

Leggings aren't a problem, just wear a nice skirt or dress over them

>>789589

>Notre Dame

What a meme. That place secularized a long time ago.

It's true, yoga pants are terrible. I think the other element is that the yoga pants women are just lazy to be wearing workout clothes all the time. How standards have dropped completely. Well I guess that's what E Michael Jones talks about in Libido Dominandi. Sexual liberation as a form of control.

On the topic of university degeneracy, I once had a professor (((confirmed))) btw who joked that the university monitors who's using the wifi and that they might become suspicious of you if you didn't watch pron as everyone was doing it. NoFap is fascism apparently.

>>789591

>our right to not be responsible for men

Individualism was a mistake.

>>789833

Yes, dresses are more attractive but the standards have just fallen tremendously. Thanks boomers. Thanks cultural revolution. Thanks feminism and egalitarianism. Thanks freemasonry.

I recently saw a girl in a dress walking down the street and it was a stunning moment. That's how uncommon it is.

I just hope we can revive old Western culture pre-Enlightenment, pre liberalism, before everything got degenerate.

>>789589

Why does that woman keep staring at girl's butts?

>>789745

>because they're hot af

So, they fill you with lust? Hmm.

>>789841

Women are supposed to do that anon

>>789845

No, not lust. Lust is a sin. Women are our partners and should be treated with love, not animal lust.

The irony is Christian women used to be telling women not to wear jeans for the same reasons.

>>789838

Do you even know what a Boomer is? It's not them, its younger people. It started with Gen X and became popular with Millennials

>>789855

The cultural revolution in America, refers to a specific period, the 1960s. Boomers had everything to do with that. And in the 1980s the boomers became neocons. That leads up into today.

The boomers created all kinds of revolutions. The "silent revolution" in Quebec against Catholicism to name one in particular.

Matthew 5:29

Does it say "Stop being sexy! D: D: D:"

Does it say "Stop your lustful gazes!"

Choose wisely.

>>789958

Why are you blaming everyone but yourself? "It's the Boomer's fault!" or "It's the Jews' fault!" or whatever? Aren't you responsible for your own sin?

>>789962

Why are you being so defensive? You have just created an absurd strawman. I never blamed the boomers for my personal sins. But we aren't talking about my personal sins, duh. Can you read?

>>789960

Listen cuck, we're talking about a CATHOLIC university where the students attending are supposed to be CATHOLIC. If you're a Catholic man, and you choose a Catholic university, you should be able to expect a certain degree of order, you should be able to walk around campus without being surrounded by half naked women.

AND the girls are supposed to be Catholic too, which means they have standards to live up to themselves, they don't get a free pass to do whatever the winnie the pooh they want just because they have a pussy.

>>789967

>Listen cuck

<following Christ's command makes you a cuck

Lemme guess … Baptist?

>they don't get a free pass to do whatever the winnie the pooh they want

True, but guess who doesn't get to tell them what to do. HINT: You.

>>789966

>we aren't talking about my personal sins

If you're lusting after some random girl's butt because of leggings, then we are talking about your personal sin. Stop lustfully looking at women.

>>789960

Romans 14:13

Does it say "If you cause a brother to stumble, it's on them"?

Or does it say "Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother"?

>>789960

Are you making an argument that yoga pants are biblical? Is this board seriously this retarded?

>>789992

>if you follow Christ's word, you're a roastie

Wow.

>>790005

Yes, you should not cause your brother to stumble, but Christ clearly said that your sin is your own. Don't rely on your feels.

>>789981

Sure. (((It's totally wholesome that women should be walking around in scantily clad clothing. In fact, women should all be walking around stark naked because this is so wholesome and Christian. It's men's complete percent fault for then having lustful thoughts.)))

Yes, you sound like a roastie.

>>790018

I'm not saying it's wholesome. I'm saying that if your eye offends thee, tear it out and cast it from you. Do you deny Christ?

>>790015

Listen sweetie, it's a sin to wear yoga pants, mkay? No amount of rationalization will change that. Stop dressing like a prostitute if you want to be a Christian.

>>790020

>it's a sin to wear yoga pants

If you say so. But is it not a sin to stare at women's butts who wear yoga pants? Is your sin forgiven because you're lusting after a woman in tight clothes?

>>790020

>Stop dressing like a prostitute

Lol Jesus never forgave a prostitute! XD

>>790019

>>790015

Why do you continue to take all accountability away from the offending women and put it all on men? Sure, men should practice restraint, but you seem to be interested in placing all the responsibility on men and men alone.

>>790026

Your sin is yours. Do you not understand that? If you look at a woman with lust, it is YOUR sin.

>>790019

The problem isn't anyone's eyes, but the sins of people around them. Do you think Christ would have told Lot to pluck out his eyes when he was disturbed by the sins of Sodom?

>>790024

The prostitute changed her ways. It's not like she kept being a prostitute after Jesus got to her.

>>790023

You have no idea what it is like to be a man. You have no idea what seeing a thin layer of spandex suction cupped up a woman's crotch and into her pussy does to mans brain so shut the winnie the pooh up.

>>790026

Because she's a woman.

>>790027

If you tempt a man and put a stumbling block I'm his path, than that is also YOUR SIN.

>>790036

>stop staring at my ass and pussy that I flaunt around!

>I can cause my brothers to sin all I want!

Unironically reported. You are not a Christian.

Qur'an says "protect your modesty". It's nice to see Christians following Qur'an.

>>790037

Report all you want. Jesus's was very specific.

>>790039

>Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. 14 I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean. 15 For if your brother is grieved by what you eat, you are no longer walking in love. By what you eat, do not destroy the one for whom Christ died.

If you love your yoga pants more than your own brothers than rejoice because you can wear them in hell all you want

>>790039

>Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!

>>790039

Jesus also said that anyone who led a child into sin ought to have a millstone tied about their neck and be thrown into the sea. What exactly do you think provacatively-dressed women are doing to, say, 13 year old boys? No, you very obviously should not commit sins. But if you cause another to sin, particularly a child, then you share in the responsibility for that sin. So put some real pants on already, thot.

>>790047

>anyone who led a child into sin

I am genuinely amazed at how many people want to blame others for their sin. "omg she's wearing sexy pants!" That's your sin, no matter how you want to slice it. Stop … just STOP … looking at those women's butts. JUST STOP.

Or don't. The sin is yours.

>>790048

You are literally>>789591

Do you not realize how difficult it is to not look at someone's butt? It's right in the middle of their body. The only way to not see butts in public accidentally is to just never go outside. How shameful for a woman to prefer a world where men can't even go outside than to not dress like a whore. Why are you even on this board? Do you think Mary would ever wear yoga pants or, lord forgive me, a bikini?!

>>790048

Why do you assume I have to be talking about myself? Personally, I make a point not to stare at butts. That doesn't mean that it's okay to flaunt your butt around willy-nilly. Again, see the example of the hormonal 13 year old boy. By increasing the liklihood that he'll fall into lust, you also increase the likelihood of your own damnation. Repent.

>>790053

>Do you not realize how difficult it is to not look at someone's butt?

I live with this "problem" every day and I don't stare and their butts and I don't succumb to lust. What's your excuse?

>>790055

>Personally, I make a point not to stare at butts.

GOOD! Keep that up, brother.

>>790019

Jesus never tells us to harm ourselves. We are God's creation, that's why suicide is a sin. Evil isn't in our body parts that's Manicheanism, a Persian philosophy which teaches there is an evil spirit inside us. It's dualism, totally heretical. Man is not bad by nature that would imply God would create something bad. Man has a tendency towards corruption, but he is not bad by nature.

>>790054

What part of "tear thy eye out and cast it from you" do you not understand?

>>790061

That's not what the passage says in the full context. Now you're just being dishonest.

>>790060

>Jesus never tells us to harm ourselves.

Tear thy eye out … cut thy hand off … why is that so difficult for you?

>>790062

Your fee-fees don't matter. If your right eye offends thee, tear it out! You can either stop having lustful thoughts or you can blame others. Take your pick.

>>790061

What was the last time you sinned? Did you cut your hand off? Cut an eyeball off? Cut your leg off? Cut your brain off? No Christian does that. The body does not sin. The body is a temple of the Holy Spirit

1 Corinthians 6:

"Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God?"

For Matthew 5:30, it was not Christ’s intention for this instruction to be taken literally. Eyes, hands and feet cannot, of and by themselves, commit sin. Sin begins in a person’s mind (James 1:14). For example, a person who is totally blind, or one who is missing an arm or leg, can still sin.

>>790069

>completely missing the point

>>790069

It's dem girl's fault! It's not mine! I fap to butts but that sin ain't mine! omg jesus plz kill dem girlies! D: D: D: D: D: D:

>>790070

>thinks Christ literally wants us to gorge our own eyeballs out

>>790073

Would it not be better? Have you actually read the Bible?

>>790077

>my test and porn addiction means others need to cater to my sin

No. Just no. Your sin is your own.

>>790072

Read my statements. >>790054

>Both parties have sinned the man looking and the woman being an attention whore.

READ, woman. READ. BOTH parties SIN.

>Matthew 5:30

If you took that literally it would contradict everything we know about God. Christ is making a point there a bit too meta for you.

Literally just stop dressing like a slut holy shit the mental gymnastics here are astounding. Yes, staring at butts is wrong. But so is making your butt more likely to be stared at. Both are sins. What is so hard to understand about this? Nobody is an isolated little island responsible for nobody but themselves. When Cain asks if he is his brother's keeper, the answer will always be "yes". We are responsible for everyone who comes into our lives. We are responsible for their body, mind, and soul. We must never cause harm to come to our fellow Christians in any way.

Would you leave crack pipes all over a recovering crack addict's house and then tell him that it's all his fault when he smokes one? Partially, it is his fault. But he never would have smoked that crack if you hadn't left dozens of crack pipes in his house to tempt him. So it's your fault too. You need to stop leaving your crack pipes all over crack addicts' houses, and you need to stop flaunting your butt at teenage boys.

>>790083

This is why there aren't female priests thankfully.

>>790079

I'm done arguing with you, you're literally just making me sad now.

>>790083

>stop dressing like a slut

Alright, lemme know when you start wearing robes and dish-dasha and all those nice 1st century clothing. You know you don't, so stop it.

>>790079

>Your sin is your own.

If this was true, God never would have punished the serpent who tempted Eve. If there can be shared responsibility in the first sin, then there can be shared responsibility in all sins. Your fellow Christian's sin may be your sin as well.

>>790085

>(1)

>>790086

Argument ad-absurdum. Literally just put on some normal slack-fit jeans, or a knee-length skirt. Nobody's asking for anything absurd here, just the bare minimum of modesty.

>>790092

Jesus told us to tear out our eye when we see lust.

Qur'an tells women to "protect their modesty".

Are you Muslim?

>>790095

Jesus said tear our your body parts if they sin, which they do not. BODY PARTS DO NOT SIN. HE IS MAKING A NUANCED POINT THERE. THE BODY IS THE TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT (1 Cor 6). It cannot sin.

>>790092

There's no point, even the bare minimum is too much for a modern Christian women to offer. This thread is very blackpilling.

Guys, it's a goon. Stop.

>>790095

Re-read >>790043 . Paul, an Apostle of Christ whose writings are infallibly inspired by the Holy Spirit, tells us not to be a stumbling block to others on the road to salvation. And, yes, a part of not being a stumbling block is indeed protecting your modesty.

A statement isn't false just because Muslims would agree with it in some manner. Muslims also say that there is one God, so does professing my faith in one God make me a muslim? Jews consider Abraham an important patriarch, does agreeing with this assessment make me a jew? Certain pagan sects say that homosexuality is wrong, does agreeing with them make me a pagan? Atheists say that the sky is blue, so I guess agreeing with them in this makes me an atheist?

>>790151

kek

>>789950

>I'm wondering what the male equivalent of something like pic related would be

It's a bit difficult to say since men don't have dress clothing that exposes their upper chests, shins, or feet, but I suppose a sweater worn over a button-up shirt, dress pants, and loafers would come pretty close.

>>790100

Indeed it is… you can't ask anything of women today.

<"Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is Savior." Ephesians -5:22-23

>"Uhmm, no. I'm not submitting myself to anyone. I know what's best for me. Let's just ignore this Bible passage…"

<"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." -1 Corinthians 6:9-10

>"That conflicts with my secular beliefs and is really problematic. I'm going to ignore this part of the Bible too."

<"Please wear something less revealing to Church. I don't want my boys to see every detail of your genitals and buttocks" -Some Catholic mother in 2019

>"Uhm, no. Stop being a bigot."

Enough blackpills, anyway. God-hating roasties (such as the one in this thread) will be more than a little toasty if they don't repent.

>>790142

Based on that image, I don't know if you're being sarcastic, however all men should dress as respectfully as they can for church, which would generally mean a suit. The coat I wear looks fine and cost me $2… there's no excuse for dressing like a slob at church.

>>790105

>My lust is someone else's fault

I will pray for you

>>790162

Individualism is cancer. There is no getting through to you at all.

>>790161

God:

>men, die to protect your women.

Men:

<okay

Also God:

>women, don't dress like a slut because you will tempt your brothers.

Women:

<NO WAY THIS IS SO UNFAIR IM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR MEN WHO CANT KEEP THEIR EYES FROM WANDERING!!!

Men should always wear a jacket and tie to church (at least). Dress pants if possible, although I understand some people may not be able to afford dress pants. But there's no excuse for not wearing a jacket and tie. Unless you're literally homeless you can afford them. They don't have to be 100% silk.

>>790302

That style of clothing was only invented a couple hundred years ago at best. If you feel that making the effort is respectful, that's great, but leave that judgement between you and God. We don't know everyone's story though. Some people might have nothing.. some might've been in pain, or lost someone in their life and haven't taken care of themselves, or simply have had a terrible week.. and merely walked in on a whim because God's grace was leading them. You could even be judging one of God's angels, come there to test you specifically, and pay for it dearly by being so vain. "Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares." -Hebrews 13:2

"You pay attention to the one wearing the fine clothes and say, “Sit here, please,” while you say to the poor one, “Stand there,” or “Sit at my feet,” have you not made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil designs?" - James 2:3,4

>>790316

>That style of clothing was only invented a couple hundred years ago at best.

This is so obvious it's kind of ridiculous you would even say it. We're talking about contemporary Western society, so I'm saying people should be wearing a jacket and tie. The point is wearing basic formal clothing.

>If you feel that making the effort is respectful, that's great, but leave that judgement between you and God. We don't know everyone's story though. Some people might have nothing.. some might've been in pain, or lost someone in their life and haven't taken care of themselves, or simply have had a terrible week.. and merely walked in on a whim because God's grace was leading them. You could even be judging one of God's angels, come there to test you specifically, and pay for it dearly by being so vain. "Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares." -Hebrews 13:2

>"You pay attention to the one wearing the fine clothes and say, “Sit here, please,” while you say to the poor one, “Stand there,” or “Sit at my feet,” have you not made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil designs?" - James 2:3,4

None of this is even remotely relevant. No-one is talking about mistreating people who don't have a suit on. I think you just squirted this out of your ass because you wanted to feel morally superior, ironically. Stating that people should behave a certain way is not failing to entertain strangers or treating rich people differently than poor people.

>>790297

Kek, pretty much. I suppose it's a pretty poor comparison since Ned Flanders' outfit is casual wear and not something I'd wear to Church, while the aforementioned lady's outfit is (in my opinion) appropriate for Church.

>>790161

>Based on that image, I don't know if you're being sarcastic

Kek, are you new? Reviewbrah is one of the pillars of /fa/, my man. He's 100% legit.

>>790478

You probably won't. Best thing to do is probably to find a young virgin girl who wants to be good and mold her into the ideal Christian wife.

>>790478

What does this have to do with libertarianism

EMJ addresses this Notre Dame controversy here.

Video here 1:06:27-1:09:15

https://youtu.be/VjCZ9r95Dxc?t=3987

>>790506

libertarianism = libertines aka degenerates

>>791806

That’s not even remotely what libertarianism is.

>>791807

It's classical liberalism out of the Enlightenment, the right hand of the French Revolution dialectic. It leads to Ayn Rand. It's rotten fruit and I pray you reject it anon.

>>791809

Here, I’ll spoon feed you.

https://mereliberty.com/philosophy/libertarianism-libertarianism-and-libertinism/

>>790246

how about the stories that even the angels are tempted?

>>791840

I’m not even remotely a moderate liberal. I despise faggots and feminists. Do not bear false witness.

>>790142

look at that tie. Honestly I thought you were memeing, but that is a really nice tie. He really does dress proper

>>789591

disgusting whores

>>790162

>Flashes her body to guys to get sexual approval

>gets sexual approval from "undesirable guys"

Oh no…why is this happening surely it is fault of men!!!

>Men objectify them

>leads them into sin just by looking at her because she basically paraes around barely clothed, almost naked

Your lust is not my fault!

kek. the absolute state of individualism and roasties in the west.

>>790027

Libertarianism is gay.

>>789962

Hey shlomo we can have one thread without discussing you. For now you can hide your nose and stick to the topic we do not need to mention you in this case even though you're obviously desperate to be included in the discussion

>>792335

>Libertarianism promotes egoism (disregard for others' well being)

That is false. The whole point of the NAP is is to have regard for other’s well being, or risk retribution. Don’t swallow leftist perfersions of the term.

>and sexual "liberation" (aka freedom to manipulate other's sexual passions)

Also false. Manipulation is also a violation of the NAP.

>>792343

Ayn Rand is a Jew, that means she were brought up by false-believers, do not wonder that she has false believes

>>792343

“They” aren’t a single unit; you said so yourself. I’m aware of the threat that sexual “””freedom””” poses to real freedom, as well as pharmekeia. Both of those things DO affect me, regardless of whether or not I participate, and should be regarded as treading on me due to the spread of venereal disease and insanity that result from those acts.

>>792337

NAP is somewhat analogous to Christian thought but remember Christ is the King of Kings. The globalists want to promote absolute pacifism and cuckoldry. The only libertarian I really respect is that Hoppe guy because he critiques democracy and does apologetics for monarchy.

There seems to be two kinds of libertarians, the minority like Hoppe who just care about property rights and the majority who are anarcho/Jacobin lefty weirdos.