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>>788219

It is Greek for "wisedom"

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=g4678

>>788219

The Logos.

>>788219

rhetorical term for "Logos", "sophia" is not actually referring to a woman, but Solomon spoke of wisdom as a beautiful woman to be highly desired.

>>788219

It's Mary

>>788440

it can be considered a type of Mary, but tradition claims it is referring to Christ

>>788440

A spirit who claims to be Mary and Sophia haunts me (in a positive connotation.)

>>788444

This sounds rather strange to me given my personal experiences. Jesus appearing as a caring mother instead of a father doesn't feel right.

>>788444

It's Christ only in the sense it is his body and bride in the feminine, however Wisdom herself says in the scripture she was the first creation before all things. Christ was not created thus Wisdom cannot be Christ.

The Fathers talk of Holy Wisdom being Mary, hence why is so important to theology because the Logos used her to frame all creation.

>>788481

>The Fathers talk of Holy Wisdom being Mary

Which ones? AFAIK Wisdom being the Logos was a big issue in the Arian controversy, because Wisdom is said to be created in the Book of Wisdom (and also in the Greek version of Proverbs, I think). The Fathers' argument was that this was meant in the sense that Wisdom was begotten from the Father and established over creation, and the New Testament clarifies what was meant in Proverbs and Wisdom anyway.

>>788449

a "type" is not a 1:1 thing, and the referring to wisdom as the feminine is a rhetorical device used by Solomon

>>788481

>Christ was not created thus Wisdom cannot be Christ.

again, a "type" is not a 1:1 thing. Isaac is a type of Christ because of the episode with Abraham, but we do not consider Isaac to literally be Christ.

Guys Sophia means Wisdon in Greek. It's referring to God's wisdom. The whole term is "Hagia tou Theou Sophia" wich translates to the Holy Wisdom of God. It's not Mary neither Christ.

>>788594

Sophia is a very prominent figure in Gnosticism, which is why I've read that at some point the veneration of Sophia was downplayed because of its associations with Gnostic cults. However yeah there is some mystery over what Sophia is, since it is always referred to as she/feminine - however the Word of God (Christ) is referred to by many Saints as the Wisdom of God - however I don't think that Jesus is Sophia, since like people said in scripture it's said that Sophia is created.

>>788723

Sophia in Christianity is not a distinct figure but the Greek word for God's wisdom. It couldn't ever be downplayed because we can't do something like that. The most famous Christian church ever was dedicated to the wisdom of God. It's a feminine word in Greek that's why she's referred as such. No it's not Jesus.

>>788737

Wisdom is a property and one of the Chief gifts of the Holy Spirit, not a person with a male/female sex, nor identified as the Holy Spirit Himself, which IS identified as the masculine because it is the same One God along with the Father and the Son.