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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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5f946a  No.781362

Isn't it amazing all the stuff people try to tack onto Christ or wedge Christ into?

epicurean philosophy is atheist hedonism.

6f8a92  No.781393

>>781362

>atheist hedonism

>he doesn't know about so-called Christian Hedonists


65909f  No.781440

>>781393

>>he doesn't know about so-called Christian Hedonists

Because they weren't even Christian. They were Gnostics. The Gnostic and Neo-Platonic notion of denying the importance of material/flesh reality led to two wings: One of extreme self-denial (i.e. Origen chopping his pee-pee off), and the other were the hedonists. Their reasoning being that if the flesh didn't matter, then nothing they did in the flesh mattered either. It became a bizarre excuse to become even more sinful.

The same trait has passed on to, funnily, Christian televangelists and "Word of Faith" types. Heretics like Kenneth Copeland and Benny Hinn outright teach a "pre-existing soul" doctrine much like Gnostics and Kabbalists, and think we're all natural sons of God who've come down to be punished on Earth. They believe a truly awakened person rejects this fleshly state and "claims" their true birthright as preexisting sons of God. They then rationalize that if they are divine beings, then they deserve all of the comforts in the world while they're here. So they preach a "name it and claim it" doctrine in the Word of Faith movement.. sometimes called the Prosperity Gospel.. where those with special awareness have rights to all the earth. It's the rebirth of Gnostic Hedonism all over again. But hardly Christian.


574ee7  No.781444

>>781440

Origen was a massive winnie the pooh retard and his shit theology is responsible for the suicidal universalism in every denom except maybe Orthodoxy and some fringe sects.

However, pre-existing soul is an Augustinian thing which is best explained by Genesis with man coming from the ground, not a pool of reincarnating souls or a slice of God or whatever heresies dumb kids are into these days.


65909f  No.781452

>>781444

That's not just these days. That was definitely back in the day with the Gnostics. They're whole hope is to return back to the "One". If Catholics have the Beatific vision and Orthodox have theosis, this is the ultimate goal of Gnosticism. I don't think Augustine is in this category at all. It might sound similar, but I'm speaking of something else. Kabbalists, who also borrowed from Gnostics, also teach something similar.


ecd32b  No.781459

Epicurus taught a hedonism that denied endulging in pleasure (correctly surmising that that would never make you happy in the long run). He thought the highest goal was happiness (sure) and his metaphysics werent Christian (he did believe in gods, though), but his morals gel with Christian truth. Christ is the Logos. All truth comes from Christ. If there is a truth in Epicureanism, it came from Christ. This isnt syncretism.

We have noted in stoicism, platonism, cynicism, etc, all the things which agree with the Christian faith and discarded those things that dont since our beginning. Christian scholars liked Diogenes' teachings a lot of the time, but hated how crude he was. This has never been about tacking ideas onto Christ. It is about recognising Christ in pagans who were nonetheless able to sense His law in the universe.


5f946a  No.781465

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574ee7  No.781466

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>>781459

>It is about recognising Christ in pagans who were nonetheless able to sense His law in the universe.

Everyone is a pagan now. The jews successfully unconverted the world. The pastors are all preaching jew worship and universalism has become nearly universal. The only righteous people are those who recognize God's natural law like a good portion of /pol/ and some fringe sects. For most other people it's over. They're probably possessed by demons and would be burned 100 years ago if they opened their mouth but today they gleefully think they're good moral Christians.


a7f92d  No.781626

>>781466

>The only righteous people are those who recognize God's natural law like a good portion of /pol/ and some fringe sects

seriously?


27de80  No.781757

>>781466

>Anime

>/pol/

Opinion discarded




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