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>>781178

“A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.”

Deuteronomy 23:2

“Beware of all whoredom, my son, and chiefly take a wife of the seed of thy fathers, and take not a strange woman to wife, which is not of thy father's tribe.”

Tobit 4:12

“For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands: yea, the hand of the princes and rulers hath been chief in this trespass.”

Ezra 9:2

“Now therefore give not your daughters unto their sons, neither take their daughters unto your sons, nor seek their peace or their wealth for ever: that ye may be strong, and eat the good of the land, and leave it for an inheritance to your children for ever.”

Ezra 9:12

“Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives?”

Nehemiah 13:27

“For if you ever turn away from him and join with the remnant of these nations that survive among you, by intermarrying and intermingling with them, know for certain that the LORD, your God, will no longer dispossess these nations at your approach. Instead they will be a snare and a trap for you, a scourge for your sides and thorns for your eyes, until you perish from this good land which the LORD, your God, has given you.”

‭‭Joshua‬ ‭23:12-13‬ ‭

>>781188

These are all about covenants and heathenism. If you took it strictly as race, you'd be insulting the Lord himself.. whose own ancestors included "strange women" like , Tamar, Rahab, and Ruth.

They were no longer "strange" because they served the one true God.

Wake up, already. You don't have much time. Learn now, the easy way. Not the hard way.

"I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." - Mark 12:36

>>781191

<take a wife of the SEED of thy fathers

I feel like you've got a bit of a point there. Becoming born again actually got rid of my racism, I used to be a /pol/ack really bad, like I had a couple folders of /pol/ meme images on my phone, each with at least 500 or so pics. They were all sorted by topic; race, lgbt, general /pol/ stuff, natsoc, etc. But then I started to get away from that board, and I recently accepted Jesus as my lord and savior, and now I'm not racist anymore.

As for your question about if I had a daughter and she wanted to date someone outside my race, there's a fine line. If he's a respectable man of God, not abusive or manipulative, and a pretty pure guy then I have nothing against him no matter what his skin color. But if he's a tigger we're gonna have a problem. I always remember that comedy bit by Chris Rock about the difference between black people and tiggers.

>>781193

Exactly this. Also a former /pol/ack here. I sympathize with /pol/ in regards of hating ʼniggers. I live in a city full of them and every night its:

>Dechequan robs a store and shoots at the police

>crack house gets cracked down upon

>body of prostitute found in the river, again

But leaving /pol/ and Loving Jesus and his teachings I found that there are loving and decent black volk in my area that loves Jesus and his teachings as well.

tiggerdom is a state of mind brought unto us and encouraged by the corporate media, Hollywood, and liberals. It's hedonistic and not exclusive only to Black People. Whites, Asians, Hispanics, etc all have their ʼniggers as well. All of them need Jesus.

>>781188

Glad you posted because I can use this as a opportunity to expose the lies of biblical based racial supremacy.

>Deuteronomy 23:2

So this verse is saying that a child who is born of a unholy marriage, such as a believer and a unbeliever, cannot be in the assembly of God. This makes sense since we are only to take believers as wives and not none believers. But if you think that two believers of different races can't marry you are for one denying the Scriptures when it says there is no longer Jew or gentile

<There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:28

And we even see a holy man marry outside his race in numbers 12:1 and the person who condemns the marriage is actually cursed with white skin which is quite ironic considering the sin they committed.

>Tobit 4:12

I don't believe the apocrypha to be Scripture but even this can be explained if you understand foreign wives to mean non believers. If you look at the very next verse you see that the reason for not marrying from another tribe is because they will cause you to sin. This can be seen in the case of Solomon. Another interesting thing to note is that in the next verse it also references past prophets who did not intermarry but we know that they did in fact intermarry and because of this we can conclude that the bible defines those who believe are of thou fathers seed.

>Ezra 9:2

Previous verse mentions the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites. These were polytheistic pagan religions that did not follow the one God. You should misunderstand what it means to be a holy seed since it wasn't something genetic. We see that even a believer could be cut off from isreal if they did certain sins. So again you have to read in context and understand that it's talking about non believers. There was most definitely mix marriages within isreal and these rules are against pagan. If you take your interpretation it causes the bible to contradict itself.

>Ezra 9:12

A continuation of the previous mentioned verse of pagan unbelieving nations.

>Nehemiah 13:27

Yeah, you make the same mistake. If I see another person who worships the same God as I do and I pious she isn't a strange woman but rather a sister.

>‭Joshua‬ ‭23:12-13‬ ‭

And the story of king Solomon is a great example of this. But a believer can never lead you to destruction or become a snare to you unless you think that we cannot trust our fellow Christians of other nations.

You really need to stop imposing your beliefs on to the bible, you're only doing yourself some harm. I'll ask you a question. Find me a verse where we see the bible prohibited marriage between two races but are believers. I can find a verse in the opposite and would like to know what you think

<Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married, for he had married a Cushite woman.

Numbers 12:1

>>781178

I’ve been in this board for several months and I’ve seen very little racism while I’ve been in here. The only bad posts I’ve seen were from trolls

>>781193

Ok, I agree with you wholeheartedly. If more people on here took your position I don't think it would be an issue. But a lot of people here just are trying to defend their own personal beliefs and trying to find biblical justification for it instead of going the other way round and starting with the bible. But if you personally want to stick to you race, more power to you. It's biblical to desire the best for your people.

>>781188

Saved.

>>781191

You are arguing with an absolute attachment to your side. This is due to a reason you claim is biblical, but obviously isn't. For my whole life I've been told how evil my people (English and German) are, but the fact is that those two groups contributed the most to modem society, and have been exposed directly to the results of diversity: you will not fool me. The forces that attack Christianity attack my people, tradition, values, and God. Our racist jokes are an outlet of our pain, which is great. God have mercy on us, and not let us fall into the hands of our enemies and their tyranny, Amen.

>>781194

Funny you say that. After someone made a similar point another anon showed a video where the possible black pope actually was in favour of very right wing and pro European things the other anon just disappeared. It seems like he didn't care and just had issues with a black pope.

1 Corinthians 12:13

For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

1 John 2:11

But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them.

1 Samuel 16:7

But the LORD said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.”

Acts 17:26

From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands.

Colossians 3:25

Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for their wrongs, and there is no favoritism.

Exodus 22:21

Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt.

Galatians 3:28

There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

James 2:4

have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?

John 7:24

Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly

Revelation 7:9

After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

Revelation 14:6

Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth—to every nation, tribe, language and people.

Romans 10:12

For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,

Mark 12:31

The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’There is no commandment greater than these.

Philippians 2:3-4

Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.

Leviticus 19:33-34

“ ‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

Racism is antithetical to Christianity.

>>781206

You reek of leftypol

>>781201

Look into those failed mixed marriages. Are they between two faithfull Christians? Is it not because the woman was in the wrong environment and simply chose a wrong partner? Do you not think that two people who are filled with the Spirit can be rid of their tribalistic nature? This is still looking at things from a very secular point of view and isn't biblical based. It comes from a lack of the power of Christ to work I a believer. I mean, divorces have been going up a lot so should we not get married at all?

Also, I like the idea of arranged marriage.

>>781204

You're not a victim. Stop trying to act like one.

This place censors "n igger" with "tigger", as if the word were a joke to begin with. I don't know why you even have any hope left for this place, OP.

>>781192

And what does it mean for us? A hint: see Galatians 3:29.

>And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Hence why the commandment ceases to be about not marrying non-Jews (children of Abraham by blood), and is now about not marrying non-Christians (children of Abraham by faith).

2 Corinthians 6:14:

>Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?

>>781213

If I can help even one then I've changed someone's eternity.

>>781210

Hypothetically sure an interracial marriage could go well, but they rarely do. And they would only take place because the women was brought up in the wrong environment. If she were brought up in the right environment, she would probably marry in with her own race as was considered normal for almost the entirety of human existence.

I’m having a growing confidence your here with an agenda. It’s fairly known leftypol wants to d&c pol and convert Christian to their abomination.

>>781214

I believe you're not replying to the right person. Check the IDs.

>>781217

Nope, it was a reply to what you said here:

>This place censors "n igger" with "tigger", as if the word were a joke to begin with. I don't know why you even have any hope left for this place, OP.

Specifically about the part about having no hope in this place. There could still be some who this might convince.

>>781200

You’re pilpuling those verses very liberally. The notes in the Orthodox study Bible say racial purity was important to the Israelites and part of their tradition. I think you need to learn to not disregard tradition so willy nilly and larp as a Bible scholar.

>>781215

Nope, read what I wrote here>>781203 I'm not against being proud of your background and stuff. I just don't want this meme to get to the point where it dangers our salvation. And about history, there have been mass intermixing and entire countries being made from mixed marriages. Just look at Yemen or Ethiopia as well as the eastern parts of Russia and Turks. I should also add places like Somalia.

>>781223

Yes, such wonderful places to live.

>>781207

I remember that thread. I contributed to that one as well. I think it was W. Pierce that coined the phrase

>the old gods are still worshipped

In regards to tiggers and their savagery. Look at Haiti and the affects of liberalism it has had on the former Bread Basket of the Carribean. Liberalism brought back the old gods and thats what continues to oppress Black Folk there to this day not even mentioning the pedo rings that kidnap Haitian children and the Clinton Foundation that steals money from Haitians

The onr thing /pol/ got right was that tiggers suck. What they get wrong is that not all black volk are tiggers. Black volk are apart God's family just as much as white volk and Hispanics.

>>781221

I disagree with the orthodox study Bible and even that study Bible isn't some perfect study Bible. I have a ESV study Bible so what are you gonna do with that? What's to say your study Bible is better than mine? And you should take Jewish Interpretation of the OT with a grain of salt. I've read some of their commentaries on the OT and it seems like it's trying to push an agenda. And even Christ condemns their interpretation. And if we take it to be talking about racial purity then it causes a contradiction since other parts of the bible we see racemixing happen and it's fine.

>>781224

Turkey is, parts of yemen are and Ethiopia. And Russia is pretty good. Somalia is the only really bad place.

>>781226

Or maybe you need to take the time to sit down and rethink your life. Denying tradition and shilling sjw narratives is not a Christian way. By shilling miscegenation you’re aligning yourself with the agenda of the liberal jews who deny Christ.

>>781234

Now you're caricaturing my position. Also, considered the fact that you posted Tobit I can tell you're a Cathodox and you follow the tradition of men anyway. And I'm not a sjw since I believe in traditional gender roles, faggottry is a sin and I know the importance of wanting the best for your race. Read what I wrote here: >>781215

>>781211

Most of my family was chased out of Eastern Europe, came here with nothing, worked here for below minimum wage, and eventually made our way to the upper-middle class. I went to schools where I was a complete minority and they didn't speak English in the halls, I've been beaten by groups of "oppressed minorities", I know various groups stupidity and evil, and I know their vision of the future. The whole nation has been consumed by sin of every kind to new levels.

Or perhaps a real "victim” to you is some descendant of people who have done nothing positive, deals drugs, makes single mothers, steals, and shoots up rivals. They are victims of the devil; not us. I wish the best for them, but this arrangement cannot continue.

>>781234

This. A house divided cannot stand.

>>781236

>>781223

I think you meant this

>>781234

There is no proscription against miscegenation, the only proscription in the New Testament is against inter-faith marriage, and even then, particularly if the spouse refuses to convert, implying that the spouse must be given a credible chance to convert before the Church can reward an auto-divorce.

As for racial purity, did you not read when John the Baptist rebuked the Jews, telling them if God had wanted purity, He would create pure Jews from rocks?

>>781234

>>781236

Orthodox vs Protestant, at you two stand united in your hatred against mixed-race. At least we know Christ defies you both.

>>781242

Sola scriptura, like every Reformation doctrine, was predicated on a recapture of the practice of the apostolic era. Any teaching not drawn from the Bible is an imposition, this argument boils down to "we know better than you".

>>781252

>was predicated on a recapture of the practice of the apostolic era.

that fell apart really quickly

>>781254

Did it?

Every single decision on soteriology, ecclesiology, theology of worship and so on is debated thoroughly to this day. Look at the regulative principle in the Scottish reformed tradition, they reject any instrument at all in the worship because they don't find an affirmation of it.

>>781265

*snap*

this one is going in my /cringe/ collection

>You don't care about these people and have no sympathy for them

perhaps, the fault lies not with them, but on the society falsely predicated on the belief that the LORD gives a fig about racial purity?

>>781268

It was showing him how he is being hypocritical and his son story wasn't out of love but rather the undermine the sufferings of other people to make them seem worse. The person your defending does not care about people but only himself. And I even said I do sympathise with him. Look at what I said here:

> I doubt you feel sorry for them and so I shouldn't feel sorry for you. But I still do because I don't think any child should go through that.

>>781268

But I agree with your last sentence. God does not care about racial purity but rather spiritual purity.

>>781265

MAXIMUM CRINGE REACHED

I accept anyone who wishes to follow Christ as a brother or sister, but you don't get to live in my country and if I had my way you'd be forced to leave. This isn't about scripture but about behaviour and the inevitable struggles that come with a multiracial society. No thank you, stay in your place.

>>781265

Learn to reply properly. Define different ethnic groups? I thought we were all the same in every way? This is ultimately where your argument stems from: the false notion of equality. Your ways are the way of death and destruction that are naively disguised as charity.

>>781373

This. The devil takes these faults and rips both communities in pieces.

>>781178

I wouldn't care if some black guy became pope as long as he was based and nothing like the current pope; someone like Francis Arinze

People should probably stay in their own nations and improve them though

>>781178

The only black pope threads I have seen here, most people were clear that they would take someone like Cardinal Sarah any day. Black popes would be far more conservative than any white European these days.

>>781448

Can confirm, Africans are way more based than Euros. Maybe once the sodomite rape gangs come back and destroy Europe Africa can colonize Europe and save her from herself.

>>781462

>Africa can colonize Europe

Are you winnie the pooh serious

>>781468

Nobody thought Europe would fall this hard under liberalism and democracy. At this point anything is possible.

>>781471

Under the kikes*

>>781476

Excuses

Who allowed said kikes to kike up their continent? Europeans

The fact of the matter is, if the West doesn't get it's collective shit together it will be up to Africa to save it from it's self.

>>781178

I think that white nationalism is retarded, but it's not a sin unless if they cause tangible harm to other minorities. Minorities are uninjured from hearing racial slurs, but they are hurt when people intentionally raise their rates or if people attack them openly.

>>781479

>Minorities are uninjured from hearing racial slurs

I'm pretty sure racial slurs are sinfulat least venially so, since they are made to denigrate another person, which is contrary to charity.

>>781462

Africa is more atheist than Europe.

>>781480

Who gets to decide? Everything but the strict, literal meaning of the word is arbitrary

Kike is in reference to circles on immigration papers (allegedly)

N.igger means negro, black

Homo means same

>>781480

By that logic Jesus sinned, since He called non Jews "dogs".

>>781484

He called them "little dogs" not as an derogatery racist term.

>>781200

Glad you posted this because I often don't get to tackle the bizarre hatred manifesting itself as "anti-racism" from a Christian perspective.

>>Deuteronomy 23:2

>So this verse is saying that a child who is born of a unholy marriage, such as a believer and a unbeliever, cannot be in the assembly of God. This makes sense since we are only to take believers as wives and not none believers.

This is utter nonsense, as Paul explicitly speak of "mixed belief" marriages and how divorce is still not recommended in such cases. The injunction against unequal yoking cannot be restricted to only belief, as there is more than just one way to be unequally yoked.

>But if you think that two believers of different races can't marry you are for one denying the Scriptures when it says there is no longer Jew or gentile

I guess there's no male or female either. Therefore not only is gay marriage OK, there's no such thing as gay or straight because there is no gender. Too bad the church needed people who hated her to figure this out. Isn't it funny how no one in the church from the day of Pentecost up to the present day, except for perverts, knew of this truth? Why did God hide it from us?

While I agree that mixed races marriages are not a sin in and of themselves, it is pretty obvious that there are even more difficulties to overcome than a non-mixed marriage, and for that reason alone they should be rare, not the norm. I don't think it's a sin to oppose a mixed race marriage of your children. It's not a sin to oppose a marriage based on a gap in age, so there shouldn't be any problem opposing one with a racial gap. We Christians are supposed to be different from the world, not diving headfirst into every sexual fad on the market.

>There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

This is a heavenly allegory, not a denial of biological fact! Why in the world would the Spirit of God move St Paul say this and then tell St John that transsexuals would not go to heaven? If you deny the reality of race, you must also deny the reality of gender. Either the Scriptures contradict themselves, or you have missed their meaning.

>And we even see a holy man marry outside his race in numbers 12:1 and the person who condemns the marriage is actually cursed with white skin which is quite ironic considering the sin they committed.

I'll deal with that momentarily.

On the side, it's hard to imagine how much hatred you have to have for the white races to come up with an idiotic interpretation like this, but I'll go into greater detail later.

>>781509

>>Tobit 4:12

>I don't believe the apocrypha to be Scripture but even this can be explained if you understand foreign wives to mean non believers.

The reason it's not in your Bible is because you are reading one that was approved of by Jews who hated God. We have Luther to thank for that, who decided that anything written by Jews must be divine since they aren't Catholic.

Here is the verse quoted.

"Beware of all whoredom, my son, and chiefly take a wife of the seed of thy fathers, and take not a strange woman to wife, which is not of thy father's tribe, for we are the children of the prophets, Noe, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Remember, my son, that our fathers from the beginning even that they all married wives of their own kindred, and were blessed in their children, and their seed shall inherit the land."

Your interpretation is utterly wrong and the text does not allow for your reading in any way, shape, or form. At this point you're making things up!

>Another interesting thing to note is that in the next verse it also references past prophets who did not intermarry but we know that they did in fact intermarry

Where do we know this? Other than Moses, who wasn't even listed, and who may have been a dark skinned Arab himself, can you find one other example? No, you can't. For the sake of racial hatred, you invented these charges. Who am I going to believe? A righteous man who is quoted in the Bible, loved by Christians (except Protestants, who love Israel and money), or a random anti-White hatemonger who twists scripture to get his own meaning?

>>Ezra 9:2

>Previous verse mentions the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites. These were polytheistic pagan religions

These are nations, not religions.

>that did not follow the one God. You should misunderstand what it means to be a holy seed since it wasn't something genetic.

This is wrong because the authors of the Bible went into huge detail about Jesus' lineage. We have two lines for Jesus, one from Mary and a "legal" line from Joseph. Why bother, since lineage (race) is irrelevant? People like you can only think such a thing was included by happenstance, instead of appreciating the faithfulness of God in telling David that he would never lack a descendant who would rule. This was fulfilled in Jesus, but if race is not relevant, this promise from God has no meaning at all. The line of the Christ would become without purpose, and Jesus may as well have skipped being born entirely, and simply appeared fully grown in a flash of light.

>We see that even a believer could be cut off from isreal if they did certain sins.

The fact that you could get removed from the congregation of Israel for committing sin X (including a mixed race marriage, something you refuse to address by confusing the matter with religion) does not mean you could not also get removed for committing act Y. The poor logical skills of Christians is part of the reason why Satan can introduce any stupid fallacy he wants (racial hatred towards any whether black or white, feminism, selling products in the sanctuary, Zionism) and the church laps it up because it's the "in" thing.

>>781510

>If you take your interpretation it causes the bible to contradict itself.

So far your interpretations leads to innumerable contradictions and turn much of Scripture into some kind of major accident, instead of a divine plan.

>>Ezra 9:12

>A continuation of the previous mentioned verse of pagan unbelieving nations.

WRONG! He plainly separates people based on lineage, not belief. Further, the product of those marriages had to stay behind, which wouldn't be the case if mere belief was the issue! Why can't you just admit you are incorrect? Why are you unable to see simple things? Is it so hard to understand that the HOLY BIBLE WAS NOT WRITTEN WITH POST 1965 AMERICAN RACIAL AND SEXUAL ETHICS IN MIND?

>>Nehemiah 13:27

>Yeah, you make the same mistake. If I see another person who worships the same God as I do and I pious she isn't a strange woman but rather a sister.

This is the first and only argument you make that isn't 100% wrong. What you fail to grasp is that belief and religion are not the only differences between people, and that Galatians 3:2 is a heavenly allegory, not an apologia for everyone to gratify their lust with everyone else.

>>‭Joshua‬ ‭23:12-13‬ ‭

>And the story of king Solomon is a great example of this. But a believer can never lead you to destruction or become a snare to you unless you think that we cannot trust our fellow Christians of other nations.

You are tragically incorrect. "Believers" have fought and killed each other for centuries. Who can judge between them? If Catholics and Protestant kill each other, who will God decide is right? The Christian church is filled with false teachers, especially now in the age of confusion! What you believe is worse than wrong, because it contradicts what had always been believed, everywhere, before the "Civil Rights" movement taught us that seeing your White daughter be given to a Black is somehow the gestalt of Christianity and human civilization. You probably think everyone who lived before then was a horrible sinner because they wouldn't approve of such marriages.

>You really need to stop imposing your beliefs on to the bible, you're only doing yourself some harm. I'll ask you a question.

You are the one who has twisted scriptures by forcing an alien, modernist reading to them that NO ONE HAS EVER GOTTEN FROM THEM BEFORE NOW. Doesn't it concern you in the slightest that the people who "blazed trails" in the anti-racist movement were all non-Christians and perverts? Hirschfeld, Freud, Trotsky, up to modern-day pornographers (Hugh Hefner comes to mind) who were pretty much leaders in the civil rights movement?

If your belief is of God, why wasn't it discovered by the people of God? Why was it instituted literally MILLENNIA after the fact by people who hate Jesus Christ?

>Find me a verse where we see the bible prohibited marriage between two races but are believers.

I can give admonitions from the Bible against marrying people from alien races. Based on your previous comments, I don't think it would matter much to you, but for those who are not drunk on racial hatred, and feel naturally inclined to marry within their own race, here is some support!

The command of Abraham to get a wife for Isaac from his father's people: Genesis 24

Tobit's command in Tobit 4:12-13

The previous verses mentioned above, warning people against seeking spouses from alien nations.

If "belief" were the only constrainer against marriage, there is no reason why the Hebrews could not have simply proselytized the surrounding nations and intermarried with them, something God never encouraged. I wonder why?

Furthermore, the Hebrew temple had a "court of the Gentiles", beyond which, non-Hebrews were not permitted to go REGARDLESS OF BELIEF. If your interpretation were correct, there would be no such court! Even worse, God restricted priestly duties to LEVITES, which has nothing to do with belief, since a Levite is not only different from a Welshman or Chinese or Kenyan, he's different from a believing Jew or believing Asherite! Didn't God know race is meaningless? Why didn't he consult with you or arch-pervert Magnus Hirschfeld, inventor of the concept of "racism"?

>>781511

><Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married, for he had married a Cushite woman.

>Numbers 12:1

The reason Miriam got punished was because she slandered a prophet. And not just any prophet, but Moses himself, who God speaks to "mouth to mouth, and not in dark speeches." Whether she said "Moses your beard is ugly" or "Your wife is too dark" is not relevant. When she insulted the wife of Moses, she insulted Moses, since the two were one flesh. The skin color of Moses is not relevant here but we'll assume it's different from his wife's because the Scriptures point out that she is from Ethiopia. Remember that the children who slandered Elisha were immediately killed by bears. It would be a mistake to say "God punished those kids because he hates the sin of anti-baldness!" The reason those kids died was because they insulted a prophet. The reason Miriam was punished was because she slandered Moses, a prophet excelled only by Jesus, not because she might have personally disapproved of interracial marriage, which is not a sin in and of itself, just something generally not recommended.

As for your strange interpretation of Miriam's punishment, I defy you to find any commentator who reads a special rebuke of the White races in this, writing before 1900. As you've now got people claiming the bible supports all kinds of sexual filth, I think that's a fair limit. Not sure what Aaron, Moses, or Miriam would have read into that as none of the Hebrews had European features anyway. They looked like everyone else in that part of the world does: dark skin, black hair, dark eyes. If you saw Moses today without knowing his identity you would probably think he was of Arabic extraction.

Continuing along this line, I challenge you to find a single Bible verse supporting "anti-racism", or condemning "racism". I challenge you to find one sermon from a church father (not Protestant huckster) condemning this most wicked of all sins, one so horrible it's not even in the Bible. Look, I just took care of the first challenge for you.

>>781486

Uh, wrong. Try testing that out by telling someone "people of your race are dogs" and see if it they realize how non-racial it is.

>>781482

You know very well, or at least can, how you use it. But even if you didn't use it for a derogatory purpose it would still seem to be wrong because it is so easy to conflate it and we ought to avoid even the appearance of doing wrong, lest it be a stumbling block.

>>781484

I looked this up, because I didn't remember this at all. I'm glad to see I wasn't mistaken.

>“Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn to attack you.

This is not calling other people dogs as a derogatory statement. St. John Chrysostom in his homily on this says

< And by “dogs” here He figuratively described them that are living in incurable ungodliness, and affording no hope of change for the better; and by “swine,” them that abide continually in an unchaste life, all of whom He has pronounced unworthy of hearing such things. Paul also, it may be observed, declared this when He said, “But a natural man receives not the things of the Spirit, for they are foolishness unto him.” And in many other places too He says that corruption of life is the cause of men's not receiving the more perfect doctrines. Wherefore He commands not to open the doors to them; for indeed they become more insolent after learning. For as to the well-disposed and intelligent, things appear venerable when revealed, so to the insensible, when they are unknown rather. Since then from their nature, they are not able to learn them, “let the thing be hidden,” says He, “that at least for ignorance they may reverence them. For neither does the swine know at all what a pearl is. Therefore since he knows not, neither let him see it, lest he trample under foot what he knows not.”

I'm not seeing how this is comparable at all to derogatory remarks.

>And he answered, “It is not fair to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” and its associated verses

<Do you see the woman's wisdom, how she did not venture so much as to say a word against it, nor was stung by other men's praises, nor was indignant at the reproach? Do you see her constancy? He said, “It is not meet,” and she said, “Truth, Lord;” He called them “children,” but she “masters;” He used the name of a dog, but she added also the dog's act. Do you see this woman's humility?

<Hear the proud language of the Jews. “We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man;” John 8:33 and, “We be born of God.” John 8:41 But not so this woman, rather she calls herself a dog, and them masters; so for this she became a child. What then says Christ? “O woman, great is your faith.” Matthew 15:28

<Yea, therefore did He put her off, that He might proclaim aloud this saying, that He might crown the woman.

Again, it's actually a mark of victory for the woman, and by no means an insult.

>>781686

Okay, little dog.

You are a dog, how do you like that?

>>781513

>>781687

Are you implying that Jesus thought Europeans were filthy dogs?

>>781688

Are you declaring what Jesus "thinks"?

>>781691

? I made no assertion. I am simply saying that you are implying that Jesus was a racist that thought of the white race as inferior.

>>781695

I am implying that since he calls every races except jews little dogs.

>>781687

I am not even a dog. The woman was a dog, and she was honorable. Of course, that you have a clearly different intention in saying this than Jesus did to the woman, I also reply, I am not a dog as you are thinking, but if I was a dog as Jesus said to the lady, I should be happy, since even a dog is a partaker of the gifts of God, else the dog could not have even the crumbs.

Perhaps you might benefit by thinking more, and allowing your misunderstandings to go away.

>>781710

So she's a bitch?

>intention

Yeah, if things are simple like that, I mean nothing when I call you a tigger because tigger means tegro which means tlack.

>>781712

>Yeah, if things are simple like that, I mean nothing when I call you a tigger because tigger means tegro which means tlack.

Pure sophistry. You know your intention, and you also know another difference: That Christ lowered her to have her call herself a dog to raise her up, while you don't intend to lower to raise up, but only to lower. I don't think there's any point in continuing between us.

>>781721

Again, you are projecting.

Christ calls someone a dog, and that's okay, because?

But when I call someone else black, and that's not okay because?

Are you a mind reader?

>>781686

It's apparent you didn't read what St. John wrote. At no point does he say Christ didn't demean her, rather he explains precisely what He meant and why He said it. St John isn't being difficult with his language and it's quite apparent he doesn't promote the idea that "dog" is a compliment, in fact he compares it to a pig which was the depth of filth to a Hebrew in those days.

>I'm not seeing how this is comparable at all to derogatory remarks.

That's because you have no wish to see what is plainly written in front of your face. What would plainly be an insult in any context is an insult here. Like I said, compared your race to humans and the race of the person you are talking to to a dog. Then tell the person how it isn't derogatory. Better still, apply this in a racial context as Jesus did and watch any church you are associated with condemn you for the horrible sin of "racism" (TM).

It isn't a compliment. It's an insult. Jesus put her in her place, end of story.

None of this is difficult to understand. Nevertheless it's no surprise "anti racists" are tying themselves into knots trying to make the scriptures mean the opposite of what they plainly teach.

>>781178

DO NOT MIX TOGETHER WHAT GOD CREATED TO BE SEPARATE

>>781884

>After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb.

>>781890

Notice how they're still separated so you can tell them apart.

>>781903

>Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly

John 7:24

>>781911

you avoided his point. He's not saying "THEY ARE DIFFERENT SO THEY MUST HAVE DIFFERENT WORTH HURR DURR". He's pointing out how even in heaven, there are differences among men as there are among angels.

Your argument is the same as saying since all colors have a place, there is only 1 color.

>>781917

We all come from Adam. Prove me wrong.

>>781921

I agree. We all need oxygen to breathe. Prove me wrong.

>>781188

these were about the jews, Christ calls all people to him & the first gentile convert was an Ethiopian (BASED BLACK MAN) iirc

Honestly one of the best gifts from God that I've gotten since converting (one of many many innumerably many) is the near total remission of racism. I finally get it, for the first time in my life. We're all one in Christ, all loved by God.

>>782123

>>782123

>these were about the jews,

you could say the same about the 10 commandments

>the first gentile convert was an Ethiopian

wasn't it the Roman whose servant was healed? Not that it matters.

>>781480

It's not a sin since racial slurs are redefined frequently. In contrast, murder still remains murder and adultery still remains adultery.

>>782152

But isn't it a sin to willfully cause offense? I think there is a difference between being a jerk to deliberately provoking offense versus capitulation to SJW peversion.

>>782169

The word tigger just comes from a Latin word that just means black. I don’t see how it’s any more offensive than calling someone whitey or blackie.

>but muh history of the word

Most whites never owned slaves or contributed to that institution.

>>781193

I’ve met a lot of mixed race people and they all have issues with their identity. Most of all that they don’t have any culture. We should be praying for them and that races stop intermixing and creating an unholy Babylon.

Also did you use “lgbt” unironically? Sodomy is not an identity and never will be. Reject CIA Born Again modernism and come home to Orthodoxy anon.

>>782381

>Most whites never owned slaves

True, but that doesn't stop racism. Racial epithets aren't solely in use by slave owners. It is an offensive word, you know it's an offensive word, you know its connotations, you know the result of its use. By your use of it, therefor, you are willingly and willfully causing offense. That's a sin for which you should repent.

>they don't have any culture

So what? All are one in Christ. That's all the culture anyone needs.

>stop intermixing

The Bible teaches that there is only one race: the human race.

>come home to Orthodoxy

Sorry, man, but you sound like a Baptist.

>>781200

It annoys me so much when people misuse that passage Why don’t you all be honest and give the full passage?

If you accept that interpretation then you must also accept that there is also no such thing as man or woman because that’s what it goes on to say.

There is a tendency on here to preach against what /pol/ is all about but sometimes that goes way too far and it feels like I’m talking to George Soros himself here.

>>782424

>there is only one race: the human race

egalitarian garbage

not biblical

>>782456

>>782461

>>782466

Acts 17:24-26

Oh, wait ... I forgot. You probably think "German" is a race.

>>782467

(you)

>>782469

So, according to your logic, a couple has two children - both male - one is a short blonde and the other a tall brunette, those children are completely different races? Do you even listen to yourself?

>>782469

My sister is allergic to peanuts and I'm not. Guess we're different races. Which of us is the master race? I have to know or Jesus will hate me for calling her my sister.

>>782467

Acts 17:26

"From one man he made all the nations…"

NATIONS plural. Your own passage made my point.

The Bible never explicitly (or inexplicitly) supports race mixing. Begone modernist.

ok brother

>people of colour

I know this is b8, but I would like to state that anyone who unironically uses this term needs to repent. The term is a religious term for this new pseudo religion of the post-Christian West that seeks to separate the world between whites and non whites as if they were different animals. Stop framing the world within this false religion's padagrim.

>This super nationalism

Is this /leftypol/? nationalism is pretty Christian.

>acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

>What would you do if you had a daughter who decided to date outside her race?

The bible doesn't encourage or discourage race mixing so that would be one of the few "personal" standards for his family, loving your neighbor doesn't get in the way of personal hypergamy.

>How do you deal with this? Do you pretend like it isn't an issue and just hope God will let you off or just scrap Christianity all together because it doesn't conform to your political ideologies?

There is composed meekness and there is christian conviction, as well as an emphasis on religious and gender divisions. Loving your neighbor doesn't mean to encourage your government to let in a national enemy, Jesus was speaking in a context of personal interactions, that is why he goes on to talk about divorce, it's not related to a national context.

>>782456

I am race mixed. I'm half german and half turkish. I only live the german culture and see myself as a german. So that means I have an identity.

>>784542

This.

>>782567

>But in the context of the present discussion race means subspecies.

No it doesn't.

The closest biological analogue to human races would be ecotypes and clines.

Why are 90% of race realists people that don't understand basic taxonomy, instead going onto vague shit that "groups are genetically different, yo"

>>781178

a