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It's dumb. Alcohol is one of God's greatest gifts to man. It's proof that He loves us. Now this doesn't mean we should all get drunk like pagans, but instead respect alcohol and not abuse it.

It's not an unjust law. We are not entitled to alcohol and we do not need it to live. Furthermore drunkenness is a grave sin, and so is addiction.

It's not a godly law either, though. But if it is instated, you must obey it, because it is not unjust.

>>777022

I am a teetotaler by promise to God and my desire to remain free from such things, but as a Catholic I see it as unjust. I will never be drinking knowingly under an circumstances, but still.

Teetotalism is pious. Prohibition is the consistent application of biblical principles in a system recognizing the state as regulator.

It was a massive failure in the US not because abstinence is wrong, but because of the state's involvement. We're in the exact same scenario with marijuana and other recreational drugs.

>>777029

>believing that alcohol is evil used to be considered a blasphemous heresy

Makes you think a little.

>>777031

It is unjust by a secular and also a religious metric since it rejects the custom of many an ethnicities forefathers, not just Christians. It's tantamount to forcing someone to consume it or forgo a fast.

>>777093

That is an arbitrary standard for a law being unjust.

>>777096

Well if so the alternative is probably no different which would be what incurs such an arbitration.

But the fact is one's individual capacity to decide for theirself how much alcohol to consume is taken away. Jesus' miracles and parables indicate a non-prohibitionist view. Prohibition is a slipdash measure to the multifaceted problem.

>>777099

If it is forbidden by law, excepting incursion on the Liturgy/Mass, it must be followed under pain of sin.

>>777107

Should mandatory consumption, and not specifically being to the effect of intoxication, be followed too then? Barring people from alcohol consumption is at the least a questionable restriction on the freedom of certain religious groups or the individual for that matter.

It would also be interesting to see how the different ecclesiastical authorities would have reacted to prohibition. Many of those in the criminal groups involved in the bootleg alcohol trade were also incidently of Catholic extraction.

The fact is that such a law became possible under the same civilian led government which allows religious liberty and eventually did away with prohibition a relatively short time after. Such could be taken as an example of civilian governing being effective. The same government instituted by non-prohibitionists, and the country been so for the majority of its history. Just about all of the other Christian societies throughout history appear to not have engaged in prohibitionism either.

Such a thing works better in a society such as that of the Muslims where it has been an objective from the start. That isn't to say alcoholism is inexistent in the Muslim world, but even there the restrictions didn't necessarily always apply to all of the citzenry or subjects but it might rather have been only required of those who were Muslim. Such is still the case in some modern day nations.

>>777031

If it would have made Jesus a criminal, it's a shitty law, probably.

>>777081

>Because prots hate God and the gifts that He gives us.

Why do you lie? Virtually all protestants accept moderate use of alcohol, except for baptists.

>>777148

Areas where Baptists are prevalent have had a problem with whiskey and moonshine abuse.

I'm starting to see a correlation with shitty culinary alcohol culture and the propensity towards prohibitionism in history. The Germans and English have their beer, the Mediterraneans have their wine. Slavs, Americans, and the Irish have had to make do with more industrially processed spirits which are less appeasing and much stronger.

Prohibition was the case of the weaker brethren trying to bind the stronger brethren.

Silly and useless. Alcohol is perfectly acceptable, provided you don't get intoxicated.

After all, can't have the Lord's Supper without wine.

>>777148

Because he has to reduce all Protestants to an absurd straw man caricature instead of actually providing arguments.

>>777160

>Mormons (whom are also Prots)

>he actually believes Mormons are Protestant

Well in that case, Cao Daism is Catholic.

And on top of that, if the Protestants hadn't come along, you papists would still not be able to read the Scriptures, indulgences would still be sold, and no one would receive the wine at your Mass (something only the priest did for centuries).

Chattanooga, Tennessee - 1896

RESOLVED, That we, the members of the Southern Baptist Convention, reassert our truceless and uncompromising hostility to the manufacture, sale, importation and transportation, of alcoholic beverages in any and all their forms. We regard the policy of issuing government licenses for the purpose of carrying on the liquor traffic as a sin against God and a dishonor to our people. We furthermore announce it as our conviction that we should by all legitimate means oppose the liquor traffic in municipality, county, State, and nation.

Furthermore, we announce it as the sense of this body that no person should be retained in the fellowship of a Baptist church who engages in the manufacture or sale of alcoholic liquors, either at wholesale or retail, who invests his money in the manufacture or sale of alcoholic liquors, or who rents his property to be used for distilleries, wholesale liquor houses, or saloons. Nor do we believe that any church should retain in its fellowship any member who drinks intoxicating liquors as a beverage, or visits saloons or drinking places for the purpose of such indulgence.

>>777022

a good thing, lot of evil in society emanates from misuse of alcohol

>>777022

>What is the Christian view on prohibition?

It's what happens when women are allowed to vote.

As i recall, it did help, given spending your money on booze, and beating your family afterwards was a big problem at the time(and not just in America. Temperance movements also sprang up in euro countries like Ireland, Romania, Russia, for similar reasons, but they were more concerned with encouraging people to stop drinking hard liquor).

But we also got gangs and other things, which become a much longer-acting poison, so…pretty bad, all things considered.