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Allow me to respond to pic related. which is annoying AF because I have to type it all out
So first, there's no actual response to the the whole Peter thing, so I don't understand why he even bothered.
>Govern the house of God
This governance is not of men but of the Holy spirit working through men, as it has been since the foundation of the church. The way protestants address this is as though we view the power of men over the power of god, and that is not the case whatsoever.
>Authority to absolve sins
Again absolution at confession is not by the power of a priest, nor by the power of a confessor. Formal confession and penance like all sacraments and works in the church is a physical manifestation of faith and devotion to God. God absolves your sins through confession to a priest, with the priest merely acting as a channel through which you might be given spiritual guidance and consolation via the Holy Spirit once again working through men.
>To pronounce doctrinal judgments
With the previously stated view on the function of church leaders I feel like it's almost redundant to bother saying this, but again doctrinal judgments are consider to be under the guidance of the holy spirit. If you haven't figured it out yet, that's a pretty recurring theme in the church. We are the arms and limbs of the body of god, not the head. We obey what we feel we have been called to do and what has been handed down to us out of humility and obedience, not pride and contempt.
>Discipline the church
see the above two points.
>protestants explicitly rejecting rejecting xyz claims.
"for they preach, but do not practice."
>The charge to peter is broadly applicable.
They why say it only to Peter and change only his name? All of 12 were there when Peter made his profession, yet even then he was singled out. And as the scripture continues, only he is charged to feed and shepherd the flock explicitly by Christ. It is true that we too should seek to follow such commands, but it is also clear that Peter was in a unique position among the Apostles, and scripture reaffirms this.
>Peter as the bishop of Rome and the Shepherd
The seat of Peter is a role that extends over the entire Latin church hierarchy, with the Pope at the head of the seat of saint Peter. All priests are shepherds in their own right, not merely the pope. This is why each priest is still referred to as a pastor outside of there ranking. It's ironic to see this claim made when I've seen protestants claim the exact opposite, and state that because the seat of peter refers to the whole church, that is the reason the church hierarchy has no authority. The fact that the pope is a fellow shepherd is the exact reason why he is chosen from among his peers rather than via bloodline like a king or ruler. He is a servant of god and the church like any other priest.
And in light of all this, the following point is redundant, so let's continue
>Galatians
The pope has been corrected by his peers before… That changed nothing about church hierarchy though. If anything, it's an testament to the humanity of the church and the need to humbly surrender to guidance when you have gone astray. Again, all priests are shepherds.
>Ranting
ok
>Completely unrelated argument
I submit to authority because it wasn't through a protestant lens that I first truly felt the awe, ecstasy, and humility brought by Christ to the human race. My person experience having been raised Catholic and going astray, only to come back to Christ seeking guidance from a variety of sources led me here, and my experience the day I truly converted is what has kept me. Having been raised initially catholic, I knew many of the claims by protestants to be either an errant understanding of the churches view as demonstrated in pic related or just a blatant lie. Whether these were done knowingly or unknowingly I won't pass judgement on, but between that and my interpretation of the scriptures being different from every protestant source I had seen *despite my lack of knowledge that personal biblical interpretation isn't considered valid in the church… and as such I thank the lord for showing me the way in my state of abandonment** No catholic has a gun to their back. We aren't submitting out of fear of men. The Vatican could be wiped off the face of the earth and it wouldn't change my perspective on scripture, works, the church, etc. If this posters complaint was that we don't use our own agency, he may be right in some cases, but for me he is seriously barking up the wrong tree.