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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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60be16  No.775929

https://juicyecumenism.com/2019/02/26/united-methodists-reject-liberalizing-marriage-teaching/

>delegates at United Methodism’s governing General Conference rejected the One Church Plan heavily pushed by most USA bishops to overturn the church’s definition of marriage as husband and wife.

>African delegates nearly unanimously opposed the One Church Plan despite pressure from USA bishops and USA church bureaucracy. They were joined by most Filipino and European delegates.

>This afternoon, General Conference delegates will discuss the Traditional Plan, which would enhance enforcement of the church’s marriage teaching.

ae9e10  No.775941

Too little too late.

The SBC is still feeling shockwaves from the conservative resurgence decades ago, and we were never this bad. The UMC will continue to fade into irrelevancy.


1a8813  No.775980

>>775929

Even if I'm not a Methodist, I'm glad they didn't fold under pressure. Hopefully this is a sign of the pendulum beginning to swing right again.


78ebff  No.776008

I've been getting a lot of lulz from the "progressives" in the UMC lamenting the passage of the traditional plan

https://archive.fo/YfHuQ

https://archive.fo/BrC3d

That second blog has a half dozen or so salty posts about it.

The "Hacking Christianity" blog is another source of amusement.


42bd5d  No.776026

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60be16  No.776037

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>>775941

I agree with you, but I also agree with >>775980 that it is still a good sign.

>>776008

Thanks for that! I needed to have a laugh. Also, apparently shit is hitting the fan down in St. Louis


78ebff  No.776039

>>776037

>Also, apparently shit is hitting the fan down in St. Louis

Are the progs throwing a tantrum and not allowing things to go forward again? I remember when they did that in 2012.


60be16  No.776040

>>776037

>>776039

https://twitter.com/OneNabi/status/1100538929747496962

Now people are staying there and shouting. Sounds like they're complaining about procedure and think the vote is illegitimate.


4c70f5  No.776042

>>776008

>church constitution

>constitution

>legislative committee

>proper visas

>plenary session

>delegates

Not to crap on Methodists, but their structure is like if you took America and tried to make it into a church.


60be16  No.776046

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>>776008

This last bit is just gold.


78ebff  No.776049

>>776040

Sounds like what they did in 2012. The progs aren't known for allowing votes to stand. They just throw a tantrum until the whole thing is over with and go home with their ball. And nothing changes.


09635b  No.776064

>>776046

>May God help us all

Imagine being this delusional. What part of

<If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination

and

<Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous

…do progressives not understand? Marriage is defined as being between a man and a woman at least a few dozen times in the Bible, and the only references to same-sex relations are them being an abomination to the Lord. These people are playing a very dangerous game and I truly hope they'll repent.


60be16  No.776067

>>776064

You don't even know how dangerous it is. Before the One Church plan was defeated, an amendment was put forward that would bar gays who were in even worse relationships than just being homosexual. I'm sorry, I don't recall the exact wording of it and can't find a transcript of the meeting at the moment, but that caused an uproar and the amendment didn't pass.


78ebff  No.776068

>>776067

So it would have been OK for gays to be promiscuous? Sounds about right.

I remember when Andrew Sullivan said that monogamy to a gay male couple meant that you share your side partner with your main partner.


461008  No.776076

Honestly, I'm glad I can find discussions like this.

I've been wanting to talk about this all day, but don't know anyone who wouldn't immediately assume I want to ban same sex marriage.

After the accusations came out on rampant homosexuality being the problem with the Catholic clergy (from Vigano's letter to "In the Closet of the Vatican"), I've been more and more hesitant about the One Church Plan. I'd be perfectly fine with a split, I'd rather see both sides take their stance and move on.

I'm Methodist in a liberal community though, so it's guaranteed to come up this Sunday.


78ebff  No.776083

>>776076

I left my UMC church because it was too progressive for my tastes. The worship leader was this weasily soy boy who had to sprinkle left-wing propaganda between songs and I grew tired of it. So I hit the road.


60be16  No.776090

>>776076

My brother, I'm definitely praying for you. I was Methodist once but like >>776083 I left the church because the pastor used the pulpit exclusively to spread propaganda. My last service there came when she gave a hypocritical sermon and made half of it about how great she is for supporting gays. She made references to profane language during it as well and I couldn't take it.

Brother, the Orthodox Church would accept you with open arms if you decide to leave as well. But if you stay, remain firm and don't let those communists corrupt the faithful.


60be16  No.776091

>>776076

Please report back to us with what you hear on Sunday! I'm almost curious enough to go back to my old church but I don't want to go to another service there, as I said before.


94f2c0  No.776207

>>776090

>pastor

>she

I think I found the problem, anon.


116286  No.776210

I'm still a little new, so bear with me if I mess up.

>>776083

Our sermons aren't really propagandized, they're just insanely boring. It used to be great. Pastor would explain the deeper meaning of a parable or explore a Bible story. Now he does "sermon series," where it's three weeks of him reading a Bible verse and then talking about nothing. January was "restart", February was "renew." This seems like something he can't avoid talking about.

>>776090

I've thought about that for a while. I stay mostly because they pay me. I sing and drum for the choir, play handbells when they need it, and I really like the music director. I'll be moving in the Fall, and figure that'll be my time to explore denominations that are a better fit. I'll listen to Billy Graham in the meanwhile.

>>776091

I definitely will! If this thread is still active I'll reply here. If not, I'll make a new one.

Thank you all!


60be16  No.776236

>>776207

You know it. Part of that last sermon I went to involved her talking about how great it was that man and woman became one, and taking the same name was a great expression of that love. Good stuff right? Except she followed that up by saying "But I didn't take my husband's name, I kept mine because…" and it became a feminist lecture.

>>776210

I know exactly what you mean about the boring sermons too. My parent's pastor is the same way as yours. Definitely keep us posted when you start looking into other denominations, You're probably the only practicing Methodist on this board so I'll remember you.


e91a43  No.776287

A report from a traditionalist who was there:

https://archive.fo/EgCGy

> Every dirty political trick one might think of came out of the playbook today, from spurious amendments, non-stop points of order, emotionally charged addresses, pretending to speak for a motion while actually talking against it, gratuitous insults at evangelical leaders (and even some of the bishops whom they thought leaned in that direction), and perfectly timed speeches designed to fill up the three-minute limit and help “run out the clock.” And that doesn’t even count the loud and raucous demonstrations in the gallery and lobby that ended up with a double line of police sealing the arena and taking the delegates out a different way.

> Indeed, those opposing the Traditional Plan and Gracious Exit provisions went so far as to accuse the African delegates of allowing their votes to be bought by promises of support from the evangelicals, demanding the ethics committee investigate that charge (in the three remaining hours of the conference) purely on the basis of “rumors” they had heard.

> And the result was that though the media may report that United Methodists doubled down on our position on human sexuality, five days and three million dollars later, we’re actually just about the same place we were when we started the meeting. Only now those who were hoping for a change in the progressive direction have been wounded again and before we even adjourned, leaders in the Western Jurisdiction were given the platform to announce that they are going to continue to ignore our rules and defy our Discipline.


7b4d81  No.776351

>>776287

Lord have mercy, that sounds terrible. Seriously guys, we need to pray for the traditionalist Methodists.


984429  No.776376

>You're probably the only practicing Methodist on this board

Wow.

Now I'm curious, what denominations are still alive and well? Lent might be the perfect time to explore a bit.


7cb8b3  No.776401

>>776376

There were more at one time, but the mods chased many of them off.


4caad3  No.776444

>>776376

>>776351

Methodism, before it was subverted by modernist garbage, was truly protestant Kino.


959cc3  No.776523

>>776037

>>776008

>>776040

>>776046

>>776064

What's the point of following the faith if you're going to ammend it's rules frequently?


78ebff  No.776539

It's funny, reading about this whole debacle has reacquainted me with lots of names of bloggers and commenters that used to drive me insane when I was still in the UMC. Gotta say it's been nice to get away and I don't envy actual Christians in the UMC one bit.


42bd5d  No.776542

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>>776376

>Now I'm curious, what denominations are still alive and well?

The one Jesus setup here on this earth and and gave St. Peter the responsibility of running it.


7cb8b3  No.776544

>>776542

He said alive and WELL


60be16  No.776547

>>776539

>I don't envy actual Christians in the UMC one bit.

I agree with you on that one. I never followed the politics of the church until after I left though, as strange as that sounds.

>>776376

Czech out Orthodoxy, an Eastern rite service is like nothing else you've ever experienced. Especially if its Russian, in my opinion.


1a8813  No.776564

>>776444

You can still find good Methodist churches, as long as they aren't apart of the UMC.


42bd5d  No.776574

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>>776544

The Church is both.

If it wasn't well, it wouldn't be getting rid of the (((filth))) that is infecting it. The fact The Church is attacked by satan from outside and within the church is proof that:

1) Our Lady of Fatima was right

2) Satan hates the true Church Jesus established.


95e5be  No.776584

>>776574

The UMC was attacked by Satan and is getting rid of fags now too. Is the UMC alive and well?


42bd5d  No.776585

>>776584

Well, considering they still serve satan for being heretics, no they aren't.


71a302  No.776743

>>776046

Magnificent


ddf56d  No.776764

>>776523

Because your true faith is to secular materialism & critical theory, and you think that if you reinterpret the Bible in the just the right way & truly believe in it, you'll still go to heaven. And of course Sola Fide can easily lead to holding this type of position. I've met enough of this sort.


0e447b  No.776771

>>776046

>if there should be a fire, the press are toast

>toast

We'll let God decide that.


32794b  No.776789

>>776764

No, that line of thinking begins with the notion that Bible isn't inerrant and that the miracles in it aren't meant to be taken literally, which isn't uncommon in Catholic circles either.


e91a43  No.776875

>>776564

I'm aware of the Free Methodist church. Any other denominations?


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60be16  No.776985

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43f55d  No.777230

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Has anyone ever used one of these hearings to go over the scientific case for why homosexuality is a sin? We have the data proving why God banned it.


d25918  No.777243

>>776985

<this gate is too narrow and ergo biggoted




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