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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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fb5c92  No.768001

An academic told me the Bible is wrong about Moses's name. Apparently the name is Egyptian in origin, not Hebrew like the Bible suggests, and that it means "son of" not "drawn out of water." He did give me examples, like of a Pharaoh named Thutmose I whose name means "son of Thoth" and Ramesses/Ramses I whose name means "son of Ra". He says likely Moses's name included a foreign gods name but it got removed and that the story had a long oral tradition before it got included in the Bible and likely the authors of the Bible drew on material like that of Sargon of Akkad and came up with a Hebrew/folk etymology to make Moses's name mean "drawn out of water" instead of what it originally meant. He did make a good point of why would an Egyptian give a child a Hebrew name? Anyway, how accurate is this /christian/?

9f5502  No.768003

>>768001

The Bible never said it was Hebrew either. Pharaoh's own daughter named him Moses. And yes, it's the same variation as Dedumose, Thutmose, Ahmose, etc..


fb5c92  No.768005

>>768003

Exodus 2:10?????


d4e13c  No.768008

>>768005

>she drew him from the water

>no father

>son of (blank)

Moses


dab42c  No.768009

>>768001

>trusting academics finding random name patterns and guessing what they mean over the Bible

Honestly.


9f5502  No.768010

>>768005

You mean the meaning it says there. He could be right. I'm just saying that Pharaoh's daughter named him, not Moses' Hebrew mother.

"Mashah" is the Hebrew wording meaning drawn out.. And Moshe (Mo-Sha) is how the Hebrew pronounce it (I don't think the Egyptians use an Sh sound). So there could be some anachronistic etymology from Hebrew to use that word on to his name.

Either way, these stupid gotchas from skeptics are retarded. They mean nothing. A lot of figures from history had multiple names, depending on the culture writing about them.


9f5502  No.768013

Just to add.. as for some people having different names in different cultures: Ramses is a good example.

He is Oxymandias in Greek

His "Horus" name was Ka-nakht-mery-Ra (the Strong Bull)

His Nebty name was Mek-Kemet-waf-khasut (Protector of Kemet)

His throne name was User-Maat-Ra-setep-en Ra

And his actual full birth name is Riyama-shisha-miamana

That last full name is why David Rohl, for example says the Pharoah "Shishak" is actually Ramses II, and not the Pharoah Shoshenq as mainstream scholars insist. He insists the Israelites were just shortening the "Shisha" in his longer name to "Shishak".

Ramses is another shortened form of the birth name obviously.

But to get back to the point, Moses, if he was in the royal court, probably wasn't simply called Moses.


706600  No.768028

Did you know Jesus name isn't actually Jesus? Jesus is just the latinized name.

Thus the bible is a fake.

Checkmate Christians.


9f5502  No.768037

>>768028

This almost seems authentic. Good job.


d27f0e  No.768046

>>768028

Oh sh*t religion btfo, brb buying a fedora right now.


9f5502  No.768050

>>768048

OK.. this one might not actually be a troll.


1a5840  No.768085

File: 361269339934087⋯.jpg (58.4 KB, 409x618, 409:618, 361269339934087cc8dc299c1a….jpg)

>>768048

CRINGE


d4e13c  No.768109

>>768048

Based language heretic


9562bf  No.768152

File: 55fa2da90cb5042⋯.png (21.7 KB, 2358x1618, 1179:809, afroasiatic.png)


b88fa7  No.768161

>>768001

This doesn't change anything and is mostly conjecture.


7bbf0f  No.768965

File: 2b27ff638ab1d4a⋯.png (952.01 KB, 1140x1764, 95:147, exodus-ch2-10-p117.png)

>>768001

OP, check out this link:

https://bible.org/download/netbible/ondemand/bybook/exo.pdf

and read

>page 114, footnote 15

>page 116, footnote 10

>page 117, footnote 14

The notes on page 117 (pic related) address your question directly, and also give follow up sources and references for further reading (which I have not done). also there might be more notes in that document before or after these ones (I didn't look too hard, just found these ones and am now posting it).


fbe11b  No.768990

The claim that the story of Moses and the river was based on a similar story about Sargon of Akkad is ridiculous. The earliest text mentioning the story about Sargon was written around 600 B.C. I haven't kept up with newest hip and edgy theories that atheists have about the Bible, but I think even they would admit that the Book of Exodus was written before that.


9ce5a8  No.769091

>>768965

>footnote 14

Based

What is this commentary/resource? Pasting https://bible.org/download/netbible (inc. the bits beyond that in your link takes you to 403 forbidden lands) into my browser takes me to https://bible.org/sites/bible.org/resources/download/netbible/ which is seemingly just about some software


248d8f  No.775051

>>769091

The source seems to be https://bible.org/netbible/.

If you use the link in >>768965 but replace "exo" with the first three letters of another book you get its pdf, e.g.

https://bible.org/download/netbible/ondemand/bybook/gen.pdf

https://bible.org/download/netbible/ondemand/bybook/mar.pdf

The main site is https://bible.org/.


1eaa9b  No.775221

>>775051

awesome thanks


4e3bdf  No.775277

File: 33ef95198e565dd⋯.png (252.7 KB, 574x409, 574:409, 345431425.png)

>an academic told me


b1f106  No.777174

>>768001

An academic also told me that OP is a fag, so there's that




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