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>>766060

The Lord is referring to the 10 commandments.

Father literally gave a homily about this today.

>>766060

Timothy 4:3 warns us not to trust people saying foods are unclean.

<They forbid marriage and demand abstinence from foods that God created to be received with gratitude by those who believe and know the truth.

Genesis 9:3 says you can eat anything.

<Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Don't try to mimic Jesus. That's a losing battle and will end in sorrow for you anyway. A lot of the good stuff in the Bible is in the books the kikes told Luther to remove.

>>766063

Tbh I have been in two different churches and literally every church I go to, every single time, it literally on topic with answering exactly what's going on in my mind the day before and the time leading up to me going there. Like I walk into a Church and they're always talking about what was on my mind. Synchronicity like crazy.

So tell me what did you learn about it?

>>766062

I like your answer but if you can provide citation supporting it please?

>>766064

>Don't try to mimic Jesus.

Why not? It seems like a good experiment and one that I could learn from.

>That's a losing battle and will end in sorrow for you anyway.

In sorrow I start, in sorrow I will return, but in the meanwhile I might obtain some clarity. Primarily I am thinking about changing my thoughts btw, I'm not so much concerned about my actions or mimicking the outward stuff, but rather just not sinning in my thoughts. No anger, no covetousness, no lust, no condemnation, etc. in my thoughts. I want to see what happens when I restrain all these bad thoughts. Personally I think it will be easy to accomplish and that I won't fail. I just hope that I obtain spiritual ascent from practicing it, because, if I do it and no changes come about from doing it, I will probably give it up.

>A lot of the good stuff in the Bible is in the books the kikes told Luther to remove.

Are you talking about The Apocrypha?

Well, if you go by the Catechism of the Catholic Church, "the Law" in this case is a reference to natural law - which is, of course, included in the New Law. The Old Law - Leviticus and the like - is fulfilled in Christ, and therefore isn't necessary (it was only there to prepare the Jews for the coming of the Messiah, and could be - aside from the natural law within it - ignored) once the Messiah arrived. Our Lord is saying that the natural law is the same, even though He has come to fulfill the Old Law.

Sauce on these claims: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c3a1.htm

>>766067

Oh well that's good news to hear as I am very heavily influenced by natural philosophy.

When you say "The Old Law is fulfilled in Christ" and so "isn't necessary" what kind of attitude then should I have to the Old Law?

>>766071

>what kind of attitude then should I have to the Old Law?

<Can I eat shrimp?

Sure, Matthew 15:11 says so. This is a part of the Old Law, but not natural law, and isn't applicable to post-Christ (not to mention non-Jewish/Gentile) believers.

<Can I commit sodomy?

Hard no. 1 Corinthians 6:9 and Matthew 10:15 (among others) say this. This is part of the Old Law (Leviticus 20:13), sure - but you don't have to kill sodomites (the Lord would prefer you to convert them). The Old Law in this case has aspects of the natural law; we are to follow the natural law, but not the Old Law.

Essentially, I'd recommend what some anons on here recommended to a new follower of Christ who asked what he should read first. They told him to read the Gospel, and then read the Bible cover to cover, interpreting it through the Gospel. You should have that sort of attitude towards the Old Law - it is interpreted through the coming of Christ our Lord and Savior, who fulfilled it and perfected it.

>>766077

Converting sodomites would be preferable but failing that is killing them okay? They have a habit of raping men in prisons and molesting children and being the primary carriers of most of the STDs and doing all kinds of damage to society that one would wish to prevent. If human laws changed where it became okay to execute sodomites could I partake in the great cleansing of the country?

>Essentially, I'd recommend what some anons on here recommended to a new follower of Christ who asked what he should read first. They told him to read the Gospel, and then read the Bible cover to cover, interpreting it through the Gospel. You should have that sort of attitude towards the Old Law - it is interpreted through the coming of Christ our Lord and Savior, who fulfilled it and perfected it.

I read the Bible start to finish but… OT first and then NT. Maybe I should start again but NT, OT, and then NT again a second time for good measure.

>>766108

Seriously.. everyone from Orthodox/theosis, Catholic teaching, and even boomer evangelicals with their WWJD signs know this much.

>>766064

>Don't try to mimic Jesus

How do people like this end up here? This is among the most basic parts of Christianity.

>That's a losing battle

With our own strength alone, it is. With God, we can triumph, though complete and final triumph comes only in following Jesus through death and resurrection.

>>766082

Makes sense but what is the health risk involved in eating rabbits?

Also something I could add to what you wrote (after looking at your picture there) is a lot of the animals on the right are higher up the food chain (carnivores) and thus there is a higher bio-accumulation of toxins involved in eating them.

>>766108

>>766121

>>766124

Trying to become God is luciferianism and evil.

>>766127

>Makes sense but what is the health risk involved in eating rabbits?

I wasn't sure, so I searched and found this:

https://amazingdiscoveries.org/C-deception-unclean_animals_pig_fish_mammals

>Rabbits

>Even though the rabbit is herbivorous, Leviticus 11:6 states that it is unclean. The rabbit has a very enlarged caecum. In order for the rabbit to obtain sufficient nutrients from the plants it eats, it has to ferment the material. This requires a fermentation chamber with an alkaline environment. Since the rabbit does not have a pre-stomach, like the cow does, it has to use its enlarged caecum.

>However, its caecum is sandwiched between its gut and rectum and most of the absorption of the nutrients takes place there. When the rabbit redigests this material, it becomes coprophagous. In other words, it eats its own excrement. Consequently, the level of toxins in its tissues is far higher than in other herbivores. Bile salts, fatty acids, gases, and ammonia levels are all at unacceptable levels for human consumption. All rodents, and even the horse, fall into the same category.

>>766155

Oh wow. Started reading that link of yours. This is making me think Leviticus was not so arbitrary as I was originally thinking.

Aren't there some sea creatures that live only on phytoplankton though that should be okay for to us eat that wouldn't be allowed under Leviticus? I know most shrimps, molluscs, etc. are detrivores that eat everything including fish poop and rotting flesh and so on but there are I think some species that strictly live on phytoplankton.

What about Jellyfish for instance?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jellyfish_as_food

https://amazingdiscoveries.org/C-deception-diet_unclean_clean_law_Bible

Just finished reading second page of this and onto the third part. Starting to wonder if I should observe these things or not.

>>766154

Christ is not just God, Christ is also the perfect man. It's completely indisputable that we're called to imitate Him in that capacity, though we're not good enough to do that on our own.

https://amazingdiscoveries.org/clean-animals-human-diet-unclean-animals-bible-health-laws

Here he seems to suggest a diet of fruit and grains only is best. I used to eat like that – for several years straight. I was very sick in that time. I am not sure how seriously I can take this site.

>>766154

Oh boy. There is only one instance of Lucifer (The Morning Star) mentioned in the Bible. You are wrong to conflate Lucifer with anything evil. You are heavily influenced evidently by some recent deceptions that only started like the last few hundred years.

Also Venus is not exactly the most evil of deities.

>>766154

>My Luciferian senses are tingling

Do you wear an apron by any chance?

>>766174

I will clarify that for you, the website is run by Seventh Day Adventists. They teach that we should follow the food laws God gave us in the Bible, but they then go beyond that and recommend people eat vegetarian/vegan, because Ellen White said so. I would just take whatever useful information you find and ignore the vegetarian stuff.

>>766154

>Trying to become God is luciferianism and evil.

Trying to become a "god" in your own right is. Actually getting to know God and having him rub off on you is literally the Christian walk. What do you think baptism is?

"For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ." - Gal 3:27

"Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls." - Matt 11:29

" You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." - Matt 5:48

" A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone when he is fully trained will be like his teacher." - Luke 6:40

And if you can't do that, at least follow those who are trying:

"Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ." - St. Paul, 1 Cor 11:1

"Whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked." -1 John 2:6

"For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps." -1 Pet 2:21

"To put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness." - Ephesians 4:22-24

"Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God." - Ephesians 5:1-2

>>766202

Hmmmm.

Btw, I've been thinking in the last few days about "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life". (2 Corinthians 3:6)

Should I interpret that to mean that we should not get too caught up in the fine details of what is being said in the Bible and instead "get the gist of it"?

e.g. of how I might apply this; regarding the food laws maybe the details don't matter so much as the principle of "eat in such a way as you know to be conducive to good health".

Another example: when Jesus gives various examples of how we sin just with our thoughts, the general principle seems to be to not think unclean thoughts, and maybe the specific details given in the bible aren't too important?

…or would I be in error in thinking I have to extract the principles only and that I actually should observe forms, customs, each and every specific example given, etc?

Also I think, just my attitude, but I feel like the holy spirit is present with me to do the work of making me perfect and filling me as to the details. I think I need the principles from the bible but the guidance of the holy spirit to deal with the details of life.

>>766060

The Law didn't disappear. It's still right there in the Bible, and if you really want to you can follow it. But there's no salvation in it. The Law won't save you, so why bother with it?

>>766065

>I like your answer but if you can provide citation supporting it please?

Read the context

For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these COMMANDMENTS and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commandmensts will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

As in the 10 commandments/the moral law

>>766064

>Don't try to mimic Jesus.

>Don't follow Jesus.

Christian - noun. A follower of Jesus Christ

Go back to /pol/ rabbi

It's taken me years of thinking about it and constantly reading, but I think the entire point of the sermon on the mount - where most of what Jesus considers sins come from - are not so much about the actual sins but about Jesus letting everyone know that He has authority over scripture, the law, and the prophets; ergo, He is God in the flesh. He's clarifying the commands that God Himself gave unto people. God told the newly formed nation of Israel that in justice, it was an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Jesus, however, told the people that if someone slaps them on the cheek, they should turn the other also. I think the entire sermon, including the bit on the laws and the prophets, follow this theme. Jesus said that not one word of the law will be done away until all is fulfilled - and that He came not to destroy, but to fulfill. Further, in other parts of the Gospels, He again establishes His authority over the law and essentially says that the essence of the law is to love the Lord with everything and to love neighbor as one's self.

In short, I believe that by submitting to King Jesus and letting Him be our advocate by having us take on His righteous, perfect life, as well as letting Him take the punishment for our pitiful, rebellious life, then we fulfill the law through Him. Further, it is by honoring His commandments to love the Lord with all our might and our neighbor as ourselves that we may walk with Him.

>>766302

You are not thinking.

Before the crucifixion and resurrection, the ceremonial law had not been fulfilled. Christ fulfilled the Law, which means that sillnoracticing the old ceremonial laws is the same as telling Him that His sacrifice wasn’t enough. Stop being willful.

>>766060

One comment from the video though

>Jesus once said that all things from God are good. Through Christ's death and ressurection, we are no longer under the law (Old Testament). God does not hate Gays, Lesbians, and Transgenders. Jesus ate with the leppers who were considered sinners and unclean and leprosy was God's punishment for their sins. If Jesus were to physically walk this earth today, I'm sure he would embrace me. I am a preoperative male to female transsexual and a staunch Christian. I am not an abomination to God.

>>766316

This. Dispensationalism.

>>766392

Dispensationalism is a terrible pro-kike heresy.

>>766389

>Interpreting Christ associating with and having mercy on lepers and sinners as Christ being pro-leprosy and pro-sin

Deviant sexuality destroys the mind as well as the spirit.

>>766117

Thou Shalt Not Kill, anon

Are sodomites generally unclean? Of course. But so were you, before Christ entered your life. Do not forget that many of the saints, such as Augustine, Jerome, etc, lived, as the Church puts it, "loose lives" prior to their conversion (I heard once that Jerome practiced, as a young man, some of the homosexual behaviors of Roman youth - but I've never seen that cited, so it seems to be just a rumor). Convert them above all else; to kill them is to damn them forever, which isn't in your domain - if they continue in their sin, God Eternal shall damn them eternally. Protect the children, sure. But thou shalt not kill

>>766415

>to kill them is to damn them forever

I heard since they're reprobates who won't repent it's better to kill them early so they stop accumulating punishment in hell.

>>766418

Well, some are reprobates, sure. But a great deal can be converted if you treat them with pity instead of the hate they are used to (especially in the United States, where prots yell at gays like Pharisees on crack). Disarm them with your pity for their sinful nature, preach to them, and maybe they repent.

If they don't, then they are reprobate, and they shall get what they get. It is a very sad thing, but it is unfortunately the eternity some poor souls choose. Still, however, it is their choice to sin, and it is your choice to sin. Again, thou shalt not kill - this is a part of the natural law. Sin cannot end sin - only Christ may do that.

>tl;dr: killing sodomites only allows them to dirty your soul. It's better to leave the reprobates alone, rather than let them make you into a reprobate

I'm not a priest, of course, and if a Church document disagrees with me, I'll be more than happy to retract this. But my understanding is that the Church is against murder in all forms (abortion, euthanasia, capital punishment, and, yes, the killing of reprobate sodomites)

>>766415

>thou shalt not kill (actually murder, aka kill unlawfully)

>bible is full of god himself killing sodomites or else leading the israelites to war

>>766425

>But a great deal can be converted if you treat them with pity instead of the hate they are used to (especially in the United States, where prots yell at gays like Pharisees on crack)

What world you live in? Faggots get endless pity, praise, gibes, and more from society right now. America is faggot paradise. Right now it's the heterosexuals in America that need pity.

>>766429

>God killed, so I can kill

You are not God, anon. Check your heart, love thy enemy, and pray for those who sin. Always.

If God kills sodomites, that's up to Him. He is certainly strong enough to burn some stick-piles, if He so desires.

>>766430

>unironically arguing this

>unironically saying that America is the be-all of morals

>not realizing that Sodomites will get no pity, praise, or gibs in Heaven

>not understanding that you live for Heaven, not America

The absolute state of the American Prot. Pity those who sin. Heterosexuals (just call them normal people who don't participate in sodomy. Heterosexual is a scientific term used to put "heteros" and "homos" on equal footing. Sodomy is a sin; healthy sexual behavior - that is, sex between a man and his wife - is not) do not need pity from Heaven - they are doing what is right in the sight of God. Sodomites are sinning, and we should pray - out of pity for their souls - that they find salvation in Christ.

I'm not saying wear a rainbow flag or anything of that sort. If that's how you took my original comment, then I am sorry for the ambiguity. But saying "the world is evil, we should fight and overthrow it through physical means!" is literally what the Jews who rejected Christ believed. Christ came not to make things "pure" in this world, but to make us pure for the next world. We are called to pray and show Christ to the world, that all who have ears to hear the Gospel may be saved. Pity your enemy and pray.

>>766060

>which is that onions/garlic/etc. has a chemical in it that passes the blood-brain barrier, and makes your brain foggy

Damn wut I've literally been eating like 100g of raw sliced onion couple nights each week for idk months, had no idea about this chemical, my brain is screwed and foggy due to poor sleep too much computer and porn and half time poor diet (the other half actually quite good) but always thought raw onions were v good for you, and also saw the meme about rats fed raw onion getting super big gonads as a result of diet or something..i've never noticed feeling foggy directly after eating them, i eat it with salmon and avacado and bread and lemon and few other veggies

>and plan on doing an experiment of living by Jesus's word alone

Can fall into some traps with this, can't remember the name of it but there's a yt channel which is just animations/presentations on topics which emphasise the words and teachings of Jesus over everything else, voiced by a guy known as 'Voice,' but they're actually part of and use the vids as a kind of intro/rabit hole(/arguably for grooming/recruitment) into a small cult, can't remember there name either lol but you'll maybe come across them if you're a prot and researching/watching on yt

>>766065

>Synchronicity like crazy

anon, this is how it works. It took me a very long time in life to realize that literally God literally exists. Prayer is super important. And that is not synchronicity , that is important for you. And more than that…Everything is important for you…at least that’s shat I’m really starting to think. Which is why sin is so weird and bad. Those are things I’m doing and then I get off message and out of communication with prayer and it’s my own fault and I stop being able to hear/see “synchronicities” for a while…until I go back to God again and then recognize the next one when it comes again, etc etc. Still figuring it out. I used to think I was just being crazy, until I heard about how many other people had similar experiences. Imo people sort of have this and don’t recognize it for what it is and then don’t pursue or listen to it and it fades …but all of that makes sense if you think of it as YOUR spirit and Jesus literally teaching YOU.

Also fyi I’m pretty new to this all, so ignore me if that’s heretical or you have good reason to think I’m wrong about that or something.