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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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38dca9  No.765976

I'm agnostic and tend to stay more on the gnostic side.

I wanna know if Jesus will allow me in heaven, even if I'm not a perfect christian, don't go to church/mass and because of all I've read, I don't think I can be a true believer.

I still want to think and hope if I become a good citizen, stoped sining, and do a vow of poverty (reject capitalism/consumerism/materialism empty hedonism) I could enter the realm of God when I die, but I am afraid my lack of faifth would stop Jesus of letting me in.

I think I still will try to improve myself and live a virtuos life and enter the gym and start to read more books and fill my life goals, and maybe if I become rich because of my dreams (making games), I wanna think I'll still live a frugal life and maybe help charities.

But I'm not sure if that's good enough in God eyes, since trying to live this kind of ideal life is hard and everything in capitalism redouces to profit off humans from their vices (I'm still struggling to do nofap).

b9b81c  No.765983

It's way easier to believe than to be virtuous. Furthermore, "all


5110ee  No.765988

You cant spit on Jesus and try to comoensate with wordly things. You have the prophets, and the saints, and the witnesses of Christ. If you dont believe its not that you arent perfrct. You just dont meet the bare minimum,because out of pride and delusion you reject Christ. Those who reject clear divine providence are fools. God doesnt need your gym nor your books nor your egotistic life goals nor about money. However, God cares about faith.

The biggest sins do not involve any material thing, so before trying to live a "frugal" life and bragging about how much money you drop on someone, worry about your soul and the filth that infects it and leads you to reject what is very very clear.


5e7151  No.765989

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Nobody deserves heaven and nothing you can do will earn it


b4f6e2  No.765990

>>765976

What do you mean "stay more on the gnostic side?"

I'm curious to see if it's what I think it is. Answer me quick, I might have something for you if it's what I think.


c6b6cd  No.765993

>>765988

>spit

is not that, I don't reject christ.

I'm afraid my current status of belief and faifth is not good enough.


c6b6cd  No.765994

>>765990

I mean all those new age videos about annunaki and that yaweh is enki or enli and the new age garbage BS I saw for fun.

All the demiurge stuff BTW.

I don't believe in all the new age nonsense BTW.


b4f6e2  No.765996

>>765994

Ah I see. Do you have a discord anon?


c6b6cd  No.765998

>>765996

sure, does this board have a discord?


5110ee  No.765999

>>765993

That is very good.

Still, go to mass at least weekly, stop being lazy, and stop giving importance to le demiurge nonsense.


b4f6e2  No.766000

>>765998

There is. But I'm not on it

Send me an invite here please : lurker#4809


c6b6cd  No.766001

>>765999

It's more that I don't want to follow the life that everyone seems to follow, that is be a good goy, enter college, get a job, get a wife, work 40 years, save for retirement, consume, get a house, get two kids, get a car, travel every year.

It seems more to me like propaganda of the cold war era than a worhwhile life.

It seems to me that current modern day is empty and leaves me with no satisfaction.

My dream is to make art, and I wanna make games, but I want to make good games, like I'm reading and learning to do everything and I dream to make a game as beautiful as shakespeare works or beethoven music, not the garbage the industry makes nor the shit indies make.

It seems everyone consider games as cheap materialistic entertainment for manchildren and to make a quick buck.

I wanna change that and be a genius making games that could rival the best other art mediums has ever made.

That's my life dream and I'm trying to pursuit it, but I still feel empty spiritualy, so I'm considering to start working on my life and try to live a virtuos life, I started to lurk /fit/ and over time I realized I'm trying to follow a christian life, at least the true christian life that requires effort and sacrifice, not he lukewarm average christian life.


c6b6cd  No.766002

>>766000

I do hope someone gives us an invite to the christian discord.


369b0a  No.766005

>>765976

You will grow wiser with time anon and become more acquainted with God, but you will not be admitted into Heaven unless you are a member of Christ's Church.

https://youtu.be/LIshZuj5Bqk


c6b6cd  No.766007

>>766005

I'm already baptized and took the first communion, but more because that's the tradition of my country rather than me choosing to do that.

Not sure if I belong to the church of christ even after more than 15 years of never going to mass.


c6b6cd  No.766009

A question, is posting in tears, like I feel a sudden urge of emotion posting this, like when you feel miserable and is telling some sad experience that makes you cry, evidence of jesus?

I do feel sad thinking about how miserable is my life and how miserable is modern day life and my eyes wanna tear a bit.


d6edab  No.766011

>>765976

>I still want to think and hope if I become a good citizen, stoped sinning, and do a vow of poverty (reject capitalism/consumerism/materialism empty hedonism) I could enter the realm of God when I die, but I am afraid my lack of faith would stop Jesus of letting me in.

Look, I'm afraid you haven't understood Christianity, you can't "pay your way" into heaven with any of those outward things. This seems cruel to those who can't believe, but it's really not because we've all committed so many sins as to be totally unable to repay our debt or normalize our balance of payments. Jesus' message wasn't just to "be nice" it was to rely on Him as an atonement for our faults. None of us will be perfect enough in this lifetime to merit eternal life. But this is a good thing, because if you continue on the path you're on, sooner or later you would become proud of your austerities, your charity and all your accomplishments, and pride is the chief spiritual sin next to rebellion. You would come to believe that you had conquered sin with your strength of will alone, which is impossible, so you must be deceiving yourself and you will pay dearly for self-deception and pride when you finally are judged.

>But I'm not sure if that's good enough in God eyes, since trying to live this kind of ideal life is hard and everything in capitalism redouces to profit off humans from their vices (I'm still struggling to do nofap).

In short, no, you can't go it alone, but fortunately you haven't been placed in a position where you really do have to repay God a good thing for every bad thing you've ever done, it would end in legalism and impossible suffering in an attempt to reach an impossible goal. Even if it were possible, it would lead to a very very miserable existence unlike a loving God would want for his creatures, no matter how sinful they are. Also with faith you can crush such minor sins underfoot.

The good news is that "faith" doesn't require your strenuous belief in things you cannot intellectually justify. In fact don't take my word for it, you can discover the truth by acting as if you believed. As CS Lewis says, don't start by trying to bring yourself certainty that "God must exist" start by asking what you might do if you loved God and your neighbour, and then go do those things, read up a bit on your religion and what people before you have thought when you are unsure. Just proceed honestly and pretty soon you'll be given bit by bit, confirmation of the rightness of Jesus Christ's thesis about life. Of course, one sort of remains agnostic about God as an abstract idea, but that just means you have to do some more reading.

Also I hear often the idea that "I just can't believe" but I promise you it's nonsense. Once you know what faith is really like, you won't find it nearly as implausible. In fact you'll probably be greatly relieved that God isn't a meanie that places impossible cognitive burdens on people. My internal monologue isn't "God-God-God, it's more like, "give that homeless man some money, because you could just as easily be him" or "I'm distressed at the lack of community where I live" or any number of things I know I should be doing as a good Christian. It's not about God so much, it's more about learning to care deeply, and ironically given how Christians are portrayed as being unquestioning, I question everything that contradicts my faith.


369b0a  No.766014

>>766007

Everyone belongs in the pew. Anon, if you seek understanding you shall be granted it. I was once a miserable agnostic as well, but I humbled myself and asked for understanding and it was granted me with time.

>>766009

It is evidence of the Lord working in your life. He is calling you to Him. When I look back on my life I see the many instances in which the Lord has saved me from myself and has always been luring me closer to Him. Even when he allows me to sin He does so that through my suffering He may bring good out of it. The Good Shepherd never abandons a lost sheep, though when the sheep is found the Good Shepherd breaks its legs so that He has to carry it on His shoulders until they heal and the sheep learns the Good Shepherd's voice. I'll pray for you, anon.


c6b6cd  No.766017

>>766011

>>766014

I'm afraid my faifth is not enough, It's like being a manlet.

I wanna find a purpose on my life and I do feel that modernity leaves me with an empty materialist life.


369b0a  No.766023

>>766017

>Thou hast made us for thyself, O Lord, and our heart is restless until it finds its rest in thee.

>St. Augustine, The Confessions

Have you ever read The Confessions? I think it will help you.


d6edab  No.766024

>>766017

>Modernity leaves me with an empty materialist life

Dude, the only way you're going to escape that is with reading spiritual books, CS Lewis is a good starting point, "Mere Christianity" is the book, but the other anons will know more titles than me.


23e182  No.766041

>>765976

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father except through me." - Jesus, John 14:6


52d865  No.766131

>>765976

>I still want to think and hope if I… stoped sining

You won't stop sinning, though, and you know that. You're not a "good person", and you won't earn your way into the kingdom of God, because that's not how it works.

You're a sinner. You need God's help.


11258f  No.766150

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>>765976

OP, I think you have a good heart and God sees it. Read the Bible with the Eyes of God and truly believe what the Bible is saying, don't fall for the enemies lies. God bless.


fa2823  No.767037

>>765976

Hey brother, I'll pray for you

God doesn't care if you live frugally or not. Giving to charities is good, but you should live as God allows you, in the sense that you don't live in gluttony, but that you can say you're blessed. And you keep this attitude whether you live in a box, or if you live in some upscale island in Greece. God will call you to your purpose when youre ready, and since he gave you whatever you have, you must accept and be glad in it also being taken away. See it as a season, if you will.

Also, no one alive except Jesus was/is good enough for heaven. Only due to God's grace do we have any kind of shot to get there


6d3d97  No.767069

>>766002

It's on the first thread, anon.

https://discord.gg/WJbCkG8


b9b81c  No.767079

>>767052

>you'll want only to follow the life that everyone seems to follow, that is be a good boy, enter college, get a job, get a wife, work 40 years, save for retirement, consume, get a house, get two kids, get a car, travel every year

Why would he want something that nobody wants?


c53463  No.767080

The gnostic side isn't believing more in God.

Gnosticism is a completely different thing.


bc93da  No.767123

>>767052

I concur. I spent the majority of my younger life following after such self seeking garbage. For many years I was lost in the Gnostic swamp. Presently, I regret the choices I made when I was younger and had a desire to make my own rpgs. However being a good boy and feeding the system which increasingly looks like the one in Revelations 13 doesn't seem all that great either. Maybe the Amish were right after all.


fb1c80  No.767136

>I wanna know if Jesus will allow me in heaven, even if I'm not a perfect christian, don't go to church/mass and because of all I've read, I don't think I can be a true believer.

God has given us express instructions on how to live. If you choose not to follow these instructions in life, preferring your ways to His (and therefore separating yourself from Him), then you will be given that after death as well.


3d3143  No.767152

Do you think giving a few dollars here and there and not doing anything terrible is worthy of the reward of eternal paradise? It's one thing to think that kind of life doesn't deserve punishment, but to think it deserves an infinitely huge reward?

Or you can believe and accept it as a gift you don't deserve.


b9b6b6  No.767154

>>767152

No. There must be Baptism, Repentance, and following of the Commandments.

Repentance in the modern sense is "you feel bad and apologize, ur saved!". Repentance in the full sense of Scripture is fixing your life towards God, approaching Heaven as a foot-race, with fear and trembling.

>few dollars here and there

sure, those count as almsgiving. there is no minimum or maximum set to almsgiving.


c1c335  No.767290

Who knows? No one can know whether they will go to to Heaven.

I tend to be on the side where I hope for the salvation of pretty much every human. I hope that He will see how imperfect each of us are and judge us accordingly; only letting those get away who, thru both belief and action, completely separated themselves from Him and everything good during their lives. You can't force anyone into Heaven, after all. Hell does remain a real possibility.

Of course, you would be better off if you at least made a sincere attempt at a leap of faith. Remember that He wants you to join Him.

As Benedict XVI said of purgatory:

>“We need to be prepared, to be purified. This is our hope: even with so much filth in our soul, in the end the Lord gives us the possibility, He washes us finally with his goodness that comes from his cross. He thus makes us capable of living for Him forever.”


beb77c  No.767998

>>767154

Wrong.


f67c33  No.768015

Take the pascal wager. What could go wrong?


56e727  No.768071

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>>765976

> I am afraid my lack of faith would stop Jesus of letting me in

It would. Christ demands that you believe that He is God, that He was born a man, and He died was resurrected for the forgiveness of your sins. You seem like you're at least part of the way there already, why don't you try to "make yourself" believe in Christ?


931aa9  No.768347

>>765976

He won't as you are a reprobate. It is impossible to enter heaven without the catholic faith. Read the athanasian creed.

You are too proud hence why you masturbate. Stop masturbating and you'll have a chance at receiving supernatural faith.




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