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I find it hard to agree with, and personally don't really like it to be honest, but maybe I just don't understand it fully. I just don't see how Christians aren't supposed to rebel and be completely against governments like China, pagan Roman Empire etc. How do these people even qualify as "God's servants" when they openly oppose Christianity? How are they "established by God" when they are merely elected by the people or chosen by previous rulers?

And what about the US even? Does God institute officials that openly support murdering babies, promoting the sin of homosexuality and other things?

Either there's something that I'm totally not getting about this chapter, or none of the authorities that exist today apply to those rules, but that would be weird as it says " there is no authority except that which God has established". I just don't know.

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I've been thinking about this, although you have to consider that Christ didn't rebel. It's not like He allowed his disciples to fight off the soldiers, nor did He set his captors on fire like Elijah did. My conclusion is that God believes strongly in martyrdom as a virtuous response to persecution. You could even make the argument that most Christian austerities are associated with rendering oneself a fitting sacrifice, so that by your innocent blood, the crime of many is absolved. However, one should be careful about the limits of the usefulness of such a choice.

It is an incredibly difficult problem at the end of the day, of what hills one should die on, and what is the hoped-for outcome? Seems like if it is to provoke rebellion, why would God be pleased? But if there is no rebellion, then there is just profane shedding of blood with no redemption in sight.

I don't know where to draw the line

>So yeah.. don't lash out at governments like a retard. God uses them.

I wish more people on this board thought like this. Heck, God even calls for the Israelites to be fruitful and multiply in Babylon (their captors) and seek peace for the nation. Peace for the people that enslaved them. Not an open rebellion agaisnt Babylon, but not full submission that it would compromise their faith in God.

Pray for peace for our captors (modern Governments) and pray righteous men replace the unrighteous. Pray for our enemies so that they may know peace as well. Most importantly, pray that our enemies be humbled before the Lord our God.

While we shouldn’t lash out militarily, that doesn’t mean we should also be passive in this cultural war.

We are in a different type of war with the Jews, they are not merely occupying us and persecuting is like the Romans, they’re intending to wipe us extinct. First they’ll try to drift us away from Christ, then once we eventually lose all values and principles, they’ll begin to kill us while we’re a confused godless weak abomination of emasculated Human brings with the Muslims.

Should we be passive in this cultural war (which is completely different than taking up your sword and actually fighting them militarily) while they continue to genocide infants? While Europe is AT THE VERY THREAT OF EXTINCTION?

YOU MUST FIGHT IN THIS CULTURAL WAR. IT IS NOT A WAR MILITARILY.