/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>761982

>tell me these people shouldn't be killed

These people shouldn't be killed.

>protip: you can't

I just did, so, you're wrong.

>>761982

Killing people, no matter how satisfying their deaths may be, is nevertheless forbidden by God with the exception of war.

>>761986

you forgot the part where you read the article first

>>761990

You forgot the 5th Commandment.

>>761992

you forgot the old testament

>>761995

Where the 5th commandment is? Do we have prophets sancitoning killings 2 or 3 millenia out from the last one?

>>761990

I read the article a week ago when it came out. These people shouldn't be killed.

It's a New York state law. Only two things can be done.

1) Rally Christians in New York and march on the New York Capital Building. Have a nice non-violent protest.

2) Rally all christians to bombard New York state representatives with emails and letter to Congress to make abortion outright illegal.

>>761997

5th commandment is to honor thy father and thy mother first of all.

second of all Mark 12:30-31:

>Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[a] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] There is no commandment greater than these.”

if you really loved those children being murdered you would want to protect them. if you were gonna be aborted, wouldn't you be happy to find out someone killed the doctor who was gonna do it so you survived?

third of all there's plenty of crimes punishable by death in the old testament and even jesus himself said it would be better for those who cause little ones to sin to be killed.

It's civil government's job to punish murderers. If they refuse to do that, vigilante justice is still not acceptable. It would not decrease abortions, and would turn society against Christians and pro-lifers. If one abortionist can't abort any more, but society becomes more pro-choice as a result, things will become worse overall. But aside from all that, we are called to obey the law. Like in Rome, early Christians would take children left to die from the elements and raise them as their own. But they didn't go out assassinating the Romans who were practicing this infanticide. That would have benefited no one.

>>762002

Christ said specifically to render unto Caeser what is Caesers and Paul said that Christians are obliged to follow the law. You aren't going to convince anyone to turn into a vigilante jihadist dude.

>>761982

I don't know why you redditors cannot use archive.fo

http://archive.today/2019.01.23-065331/https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-abortion-law-in-new-york-will-change-and-how-it-wont

>>762006

>and give to God what is God's

the lives of children don't belong to caeser. he was talking about a coin that had caesers face on it when he said that. hardly comparable to a human life.

>>761987

The Bible mandates execution for murder

>>762016

Not by vigilantes.

>>762002

>Love

1 Corinthians 13:4-8

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

I fail to see where it says "Love straight up murders, yo".

>>762016

Yes, after a proper trial. Why do you think we should be Muslim-tier in justice?

>>762019

> It always protects

>>761982

You can be angry all you want, but you’re not to murder. 99.9% of the time there’s another way. And if you truly want them to die, then you need to see how Jesus acted and change your behavior to match His

>>761987

How many people were killed so that you can enjoy the freedom to sit in your church? How many are getting killed to give you your quality of life? Also why are you saying people when the commandment clearly says thou shall not kill? Billions of living creatures are getting abhorrently killed so that you can fill your belly with them. Is it really as simple as blaming others to wash the blood of your own hands? Or is this about stoic ignorance?

>>762032

>thou shall not kill

shalt

>>762032

>stoic ignorance

>>762034

Well played. Shot myself in the foot with that set-up. Next time tho…

>>761982

You should have drawn the line earlier by prohibiting feminism/leftism.You thought that it was going to stop after voting rightsf? Not at all. They will continuously discover new forms of "discrimination" as it benefits them

>>762022

>protect means murder

So, I should kill my children to protect them? Noted.

>>762038

In what case would you ever kill a child to protect them?

Just admit you ran out of arguments

>>762000

Christians should stop paying taxes in NY but the Bible says you can’t protest like that IIRC

>>762002

>third of all there's plenty of crimes punishable by death in the old testament and even jesus himself said it would be better for those who cause little ones to sin to be killed.

Hmmm.

Proverbs 24:11-12

>Deliver those who are drawn toward death, and hold back those stumbling to the slaughter. If you say, “Surely we did not know this,” does not He who weighs the hearts consider it? He who keeps your soul, does He not know it? And will He not render to each man according to his deeds?

…

Matthew 18:6-9

>But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe to the world because of offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes! If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.

Jesus is saying that the final judgement of the Gehenna will be worse than death, not that people should be killed.

Wisdom 1:12-15

>Do not invite death by the error of your life,

or bring on destruction by the works of your hands; because God did not make death, and he does not delight in the death of the living. For he created all things so that they might exist; the generative forces of the world are wholesome, and there is no destructive poison in them, and the dominion of Hades is not on earth. For righteousness is immortal.

Do you seriously go to Church with the belief that Jesus commanded us to kill people?

>>762017

>>762020

Is that what I said?

Does the word "execution" mean anything besides legal to you? That would be "assassination" or "murder".

>>761982

They should be executed in the next government system.

>>761987

>forbidden by God with the exception of war

Wrong. Governments can execute someone for a crime.

>>762042

This is true, thats why Christians ought to vote with their feet and flee New York instead.

>>762042

>>762071

You are allowed to disobey the government when it asks you to do something that is against the Bible

Fleeing NY would be more effective though

We have these problems because we've ruled out the use of physical force as a solution.

>New York

>it is now legal to kill a born child who was born as a result of a failed abortion

>real solution: conquer them

>applied solution: "just keep voting and trust the official outcomes!"

>California

>foreign invaders waving their home flag vote, get paid for nothing, get punished less for attacking than their victims get for defending

>real solution: conquer them

>applied solution: "just keep voting and trust the official outcomes!"

>Mexico

>cartels bribe the government, wealthiest aristocrats manipulate media in other countries, global hub for South American and mid-eastern terrorists to swarm into 1st world countries with trafficked slaves in tow

>real solution: conquer them

>applied solution: "let them do what they want, meddling in other countries is bad guys!"

>Afghanistan

>Government changes every 8 years on its own, sells ten kinds of death all over the world, has sex with goats

>real solution: subjugate them

>applied solution: stop just short of assuming direct control but occupy them forever, spend 10x more money, get blamed for imperialistic conquest anyway, prop up a failed locals' state that will carry on the exact same problems as if all the blood and gold went out for nothing but vanity.

>France

>Government of moneychangers, unchecked Islamic invasion, dissent against globalism punished harder than rape, popular venues mowed down and all the protectors do is wag their fingers at the victims

>Real solution: revolution backed by sympathizers abroad

>Applied solution: "trust the EU, trust the UN, trust the IMF, play by their rules…"

<inb4 larper

You'd say that to the suggestion of any action at all. Good luck keeping the wolves at bay with your keyboard.

>>762017

I’m just waiting for a civil war.

The South will rise again

>>762075

The only issue is that fleeing likely requires job opportunities or flexibility that can’t reasonably be assumed. Ideally churches in neighboring states would do what they could to help displaced New York Christians but I don’t know how feasible that is.

>some wish it would have gone further

wtf?? This thing already legalizes murder until birth, do these people want to legit kill their own children, Molech style™? Maybe Anderson was right….

>>762013

But infanticide was practiced by the Romans at the time. Jesus didn't tell Christians to go out and assassinate them.

>>762048

So you're just advocating that once a Christian government takes power they should execute anyone who practices abortion after a trial finds them guilty?

Okay fine. It's nothing more than a thought exercise anyway since in North America and much of Europe such a government taking power is unthinkable.

>>762144

not with that attitude

>>762146

You would need the majority of the population to agree with you. Even if you aren't talking about a democratically elected government, if most people are against such a government, you would be unable to force it on them. And if we ever got to the point where the majority were so devout and pro-life as to approve of such a government, abortion would be so taboo it would almost be a moot point.

>>762186

who said anything about democracy?

>>762190

Try reading the second sentence again, dude.

>>762195

people who wouldn't want a government run by white male christians aren't the type of people to put any action behind their rhetoric anyway.

>>762199

How could you force the majority to go along with this when most people disagree with it? Especially in the US where people are armed. Even if liberals aren't armed, a lot of armed people are not gonna go along with executing abortionists. You would need to get a majority on your side just as a pragmatic matter. Unless you are talking about starting some small secessionist Christian state, but that would not affect the abortion situation for the rest of the country. It's a cliche but you need to win hearts and minds before you can do anything else. It's not the divine right of kings era where people will just go along with whatever government orders.