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If Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is something that can be achieved in someone's speech(or better yet, internet post) then 90% of the Earth is already damned. No thanks.

Not to say that speech is never sinful but.

>>759816

Important things to consider:

According to catholic teaching (afaik):

You can't commit a sin without fully consenting and without full knowledge of it being a sin.

For example if you are drugged and forced into a sexual act, you are not guilty of fornication.

If you don't know that an act is sinful and you commit it, you are supposedly not guilty.

Now I would say that if you didn't know that what you did was blasphemy, you are not guilty of it. That being said, the Bible is very vague about what Blaspheming the Holy Spirit actually means, maybe exactly because if we knew what it exactly is, we would commit it without having a way out of it.

That being said, knowingly and willingly attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to evil or to the devil is a sinful act, and based on what I know right now it would fall under the category of unforgivable sin. However that would require that you KNOW that a work was performed by the Holy Spirit. You mustn't have doubts about it. You must be in full knowledge on the presence of the Holy Spirit and blaspheme it anyway.

Any disagreements?

>>759821

>If Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is something that can be achieved in someone's speech(or better yet, internet post) then 90% of the Earth is already damned.

How is that an argument against OP's post?

It's not. It very well might be possible that 90% of humans go to hell, we have no way of knowing.

>>759823

I'm sorry, I do agree that 90%+ of humanity is going to hell. The actual problem is 90%+ of humanity being GUARANTEED to go to hell with no chance of redemption, which is what the sin against the holy spirit is.

Now re-read the whole bible, everything about preaching to people. What is the point of writing out that everyone can be saved if only 10% can be saved?

>>759825

>What is the point of writing out that everyone can be saved if only 10% can be saved?

The fact that saving 10% is superior to saving 0%?

>>759829

Okay fine, how about the salvation system becoming completely psychotic? With this one change you throw a wrench into everything. Salvation is now about if you've ever called God a demon or otherwise evil, not about everything written up in the bible.

Besides we tried to convert Gnostics, people that thought that God was evil, so you're wrong anyways.

>I don't know what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is. Thread #6000000000000000

>>759825

God was willing to spare Sodom and Gomorrah if only 10 righteous man could be found in there. ( a vaaaast minority )

>>759816

I think it is a grave sin to slander Jesus as a jew especially if we take "jew" to mean a son of the devil, but I think that in order for it to be blasphemy, you must willingly blaspheme against the Holy Spirit in full knowledge of what / who it is.

So I think that a vast overwhelming majority of LARPagans can be saved.

>>759816

"Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" is the sin according to which one sees God's glory and thinks it is demonic or evil. Such a person is at a point at which they see the greatest good in existence, and think it is the greatest evil in existence. Such a person has completely cut themself off from God and cannot ask for forgiveness, therefore they cannot be forgiven.

The people Jesus was calling "sons of the devil" were not the Jewish people as a whole. He was addressing the hypocritical Pharisees and teachers, who were more concerned with making perfect exegesis of the Law of Moses and following it (and the conclusions they made out of it) to perfection, but completely ignoring the meaning and intentions God had behind this Law. Imagine someone who goes to church whenever there is a service, who does their prayers and fasts perfectly, who reads the scriptures like a book of law and insists on following every bit of it to the letter and punishing those who do not, but meanwhile they do not love their neighbor, or give everything they have for the needy, or simply have humility and recognize they are not better than anyone else. Those are the Pharisees of today.

Their wickedness was confirmed by the fact they could not realize they were facing God, the very God they claimed to live and breathe for. In fact, not only did they not welcome Him, but they even tried to kill Him.

>>759833

Get out of here.

>>759832

What matters is the truth. Our ideas of it being "psychotic" are just opinions.

Do you think that a majority of people will be saved? I would hope so. But can I guarantee it? No. Jesus talks of a narrow path

>>759837

This. You can litearally have dozens of homo and masturbation threads but this isnt ok? Get out if you dont care.