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Heresy

Well actually not, they are just random people saying hsit they know nothing about.

If they really tried to be ordinated then yes it would be sacrilegious.

>>758902

It depends on the conotation you mean by heresy. I think false teaching is just as bad if sanctioned officially by the Church or not. On a very operational level, it disgusts young men to be told what to do by cool wine aunts.

I think 90% of the lay teachers on roman catholic schools are women, so no wonder young men think Christianity is gay.

I was raised in a protestant church, though I'm now looking into other denominations. At one point they had a female interim pastor, and sometimes they've had other women speak for certain parts of service.

What about females teaching informally? Gonna go about into my own story to explain my questions, sorry if I go off topic.

Growing up I was very lukewarm. I only prayed to ask for my own safety or selfish things like finding a gf. Yet because I went to this Church I was invited to a non-denominational Christian youth group. I admit the first time I went it was to look for a gf. But going caused me to become more genuinely interested in Christianity and I kept going for that reason. The youth group was run by a family that since left that Church for some reasons, possibly because the Church started allowing same-sex marriages. (The pastor said he would not do them himself, but he will allow them to take place within the Church building and the former interim female pastor will handle them. I don't think any have actually taken place though) Anyways this youth group did not strike me as modernist except for singing "modern Christian music", the guy used the parts from Romans about homosexuality for example. On the other hand, a few times his wife would be the one teaching the youth group, I don't think she enjoyed doing it that much but she was popular for being very anti"just feel good" Christianity. Nowadays I don't know what to think, yet if I had not gone to this youth group when I was younger I don't know if I would have ever been genuinely interested in Christianity and theology or if I would still be lukewarm or worse.

The church I grew up in also has had women teach the children's service that goes on separate from the regular service. I will admit that when I got older I started assisting with the children's service myself. I now have misgivings about children being separate from the main service and if having the children's service be taught by women then I'm worried.

Another cause for alarm is that during last week's service they did a thing where their pastor switched Churches with another pastor for a week. The guest pastor was a women. She had all the children get some water and flick it at everyone their telling us to remember our baptisms. Given what >>758904 says I'm even more worried.

I'm concerned for the children, and I'm terrified that I either let something wrong happen or that I participated in it by assisting in a female-run children's service. Please pray for the kids, and the teachers, and the rest of the church, and for me.

>>758895

Paul was bigoted and Jesus was open to everyone. Women can be pastors just like anyone else.

See, this is what I'm talking about. I agree that women shouldn't hold offices in the church, but I want to believe this out of faith, not out of edginess or bitterness like this fellow >>758904

There are other similar things that we are willing to ignore, like women having their heads covered. If you don't agree that women should wear hats or scarves to church, then you aren't really being logically consistent.

>>758895

>but I don't want my views to stem from the fact that I'm a misogynistic incel

If you don't want to be a "misogynistic incel", then don't allow secular culture to shape your views and instead follow what the Bible says.

>>758945

>but I want to believe this out of faith, not out of edginess or bitterness like this fellow

If you can't have faith in the Word of God (which was kindly shared with you by that "edgy fellow"), then we can't help you further. Meditate on the verses posted in this thread, attend some churches led by female pastors, and see if you have a change of heart.

>>758919

>Given what >>758904 says I'm even more worried

That's only natural... the most convincing argument against sin is witnessing its detrimental effects. The closest I've come to attending a church with a female pastor was a modernist non-denom church with an effeminate male pastor and half a dozen female "Directors" (which, at that point, might as well have had a female pastor)... never again.

>>758895

>>758904

I could be mistaken but I had heard that that was Paul’s personal opinion, so that could teachincally mean that wahmen pastors are perfectly okayin Jesus’s eye. Again, I could be wrong, so I’m not gonna bother debating it

>>758976

>woman priests

>woman in a fatherly role

This is unironically why single mothers fail at raising children

>>758895

They should never be allowed at all. Most of them are social types take the path of least resistance by following what the world likes as to opposed to doctrine. They frequently endorse anti-Christian beliefs like abortion, child drag queens, and sodomy because theyr'e scared of losing facebook friends. The Garden of Eden should have proven this when Eve ate the forbidden fruit because someone else told her to.

>>758927

Are you implying that Jesus made the wrong choice when he chose Paul as his disciple? You haven't internalized his scriptures then.

>>758976

No, read Genesis. Men serve God, women serve men. It's our position in Creation.

>>758904

>1 Corinthians 14:34 - Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law

This is one of those verses I think was almost certainly added by a later writer. It appears in different places in different manuscripts, and every other thing Paul ever wrote was against the law yet suddenly here's a line promoting the law.

>>759059

I'm talking specifically about keeping silent in church, not who rules the household. In multiple other places he applauds women teaching children (such as Timothy's mother and grandmother), and saying they should prophecy with their heads covered (1.Cor.11:5) is saying they should prophecy. It's not even about whether they can be pastors, but says they should be completely silent in church - which is straight up what happens in the synagogues.

You completely ignored the "saith the law" part, which again is completely out of character for Paul.

>>758976

If its in the bible its divinely inspired and God told the apostles/prophets/writers to write it down there, mate. Who even told you that?

I don't care about any pastors, male or female. It's a job of a presbyter/priest. And his function is to mirror our High Priest in heaven.

You ruin the whole idea when it simply becomes the "pastor" or preacher. But this is started with Protestantism, which kind of downplayed sacraments to begin with. So they get what they asked for.. this is just the newest phase of what was already implicated to begin with.

>>758904

>sorry not sorry prots

Huh???

Strange, my family's church has never done this.

Essentially, I left the Methodist church over female pastors. Not because I was an angry neckbeard who hates women, but because the final straw was a sermon I sat through wherein the pastor was being hypocritical throughout it, almost swearing in front of the altar, and trying to score political points. It was not the first such sermon like that I had heard in my time as a Methodist, but it was the most extreme and the last I would suffer through.

>>759309

exactly the woemans must respect the Law but have no say… giving women power does not seem to end well.

>>758905

Yeah I completely agree.

>>758919

Also, what about female teachers outside of Church? Like teaching in public schools/higher education?

Or informal teaching, like children's service or about Christianity but outside the Church, not acting as a pastor?

Or about those women's study groups?

>>759271

>Strange, my family's church has never done

Yeah and my church never abused me so I guess everyone should take back all those millions of catholic pedo jokes…

oh wait, forgot, only prots get to avoid shared responsibility.

1 Corinthians 14:34

Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.

1 Timothy 2:12

I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah

>>758895

>female pastors/priests

how to spot a false church 101

>>759309

Oh no doubt, any denomination is doomed once it ordains female clergy.

>>759613

I'm literally not responsible for the actions of others. Nor are the majority of Catholics responsible for Luciferian infiltration into the Church.

maleanon here. I'm mad God hasn't called me to bear children.

>>759450

bumping my own question

>Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed; then Eve. And Adam was not seduced; but the woman, being seduced, was in the transgression. Yet she shall be saved through child bearing; if she continue in faith and love and sanctification with sobriety. (1 Timothy 2)