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fb5b82 No.757149
Why would God make Satan and demons to deliberately temp people to do evil and posses them? Isn't man's free will to choose evil or good by itself enough? Why make something that pushes them to sin?
86a28e No.757152
>>757149
Well, He respected the free-will of both humans and angels according to Thomas Aquinas. Part of omni-benevolence includes not forcing your will on your creations.
09a564 No.757153
>>757149
Why would people reject Jesus Christ and deliberately hate God and listen to Satan's lies? Isn't man supposed to be the perfect one and God the one who messes things up? Why should we bend towards God's Will?
2a1bb5 No.757154
It was the Devil's choice whether or not to defy God, same as with the rest of the hosts who followed him. It may eventually be their choice to return, but angels tend to be fixed in their behavior.
570585 No.757156
>>757149
THEY DIDN'T START OUT THAT WAY YOU SPERG CHILD
READ YOUR BIBLE, I MEAN HOLY SHIT
e4405f No.757163
>>757149
In a way everything is inherently possessed by God. He’s the one who wrote the big plan after all. Your body, your will, everything that makes you unique can all be traced back to God. You’re only along for the ride.
16db4a No.757165
>>757149
Mate, there are so many things that push you to sin on earth, what makes demonic possession different? Its actually a great wake up call if anything.
To get a demon you need to sin in first place anyways.
>>757156
>Wants people to read better
>Can't read
laugh here
6b637b No.757168
>>757163
>You’re only along for the ride.
I want off this ride.
41096e No.757170
Genuinely curious, any idea why they have the ability to possess?
02f1b0 No.757173
>>757163
Damn, I thought about that too, being in God's cringe compilation.
1afbdc No.757184
22ea7e No.757189
>>757168
We all do. The point of the Good News is that we will exit at a good place. Failure to heed this gets you stuck on Mr Bones' wild ride for eternity.
76b9f1 No.757192
>>757165
>To get a demon you need to sin in first place anyways.
No, pretty much anyone can get possessed. It's got nothing to do with sins, and it doesn't make you sin. Demons just love terrorizing people. Sins happen when the demons tempt you to sin and you accept it.
>>757170
Because they're spirits. They can hijack bodies for a while and reside in inanimate objects.
55d283 No.757217
The only correct answer is so that He may be glorified in His demonstrations of power over them.
The fact that God has complete power over the supernatural (forces we can neither fully comprehend nor control) only gives us more reason as to why we should worship and praise Him.
0e5e00 No.757220
>>757149
>free will
Implying
0e5e00 No.757221
>>757152
Wouldn't this mean that after we are in heaven for all of eternity wouldn't this mean that it's possible for there to be a second angel who goes rogue like Satan and brings a couple humans down with him?
00aed0 No.757224
>>757220
>free-will not real because I can't stop touching my peepee and also quantum physiks
atheism.
570585 No.757226
>>757165
You clearly didn't read OPs post, which implies that the Devil and his angels were created evil.
76b9f1 No.757230
>>757226
Aren't all devils just angels who have fallen into sin and rebel against God?
6defb5 No.757233
Its more than our understanding and couldnt be summed up in one semtence. People write full length novels on this anon . Its deeper than you and I anon.
0e5e00 No.757240
>>757224
Nope, free will doesn't exist, at least not in the libertarian sense, because of the Bible:
<27 Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed. 28 They did what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen.
Acts 4:27-28
76b9f1 No.757245
>>757240
No, free will does exist in it's purest form, but God being a supreme being has the capability to do incredible things beyond our understanding. This is the being that created the whole universe out of nothing and the whole humanity out of a process that looks like pure coincidence to us.
0e5e00 No.757249
76b9f1 No.757260
>>757251
Lucifer is Christ Himself, heretic.
627f16 No.757261
>>757230
Yes. And they were not made to deliberately tempt people. They later chose to do so.
>Anime image
>Rarted post
627f16 No.757262
>>757251
>>757260
Enjoy your vacations.
627f16 No.757270
>>757267
/\/igger bo-figger.
021f52 No.757272
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>>757154
>It may eventually be their choice to return, but angels tend to be fixed in their behavior.
No its not, according to Classical Theist in embed related
76b9f1 No.757323
>>757262
Christ is often referred as Lucifer in Latin prayers. He's the light bringer, the bright morning star.
e8d868 No.757326
>>757251
Baal's maw will change your tune too late.
41096e No.757335
>>757192
>Because they're spirits. They can hijack bodies for a while and reside in inanimate objects.
Sorry, what I meant was does anybody know why God made it so spirits could possess?
74c838 No.757338
>>757221
No, once angels choose God that's it, they won't switch randomly. Same for Humans I would guess since you worked so hard to get into heaven anyway.
f42904 No.757438
77488a No.757497
>>757149
I really want to know if there's an answer to op's question. If free will is inherently good then why does God allow demons and sophisticated propaganda. You can't look at the masses of similar grey blob sheep and tell me they all have a unique unhindered free will.
0e5e00 No.757510
Give me a single verse in the bible that states that humans have free will.
77488a No.757534
>>757529
I don't think Anon's denying the existence of choice. I think he's denying there's any possibility to make a completely independent decision. Eve didn't want to eat the fruit until Satan influenced her.
>Genesis 3:3. But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of paradise, God hath commanded us that we should not eat; and that we should not touch it, lest perhaps we die.
357217 No.757544
Who here /demon browsing a christian imageboard to corrupt souls/?
>>757323
Isaiah 14:12.
>>757529
Very weak argumentation tbqh.
cf5958 No.757576
>>757534
>Eve didn't want to eat the fruit until Satan influenced her.
Eve knew better but she allowed satan to influence her. It was her own sin, her own failure that caused the fall, not because God forced her to.
>>757544
Not an argument
09aae4 No.757631
>>757192
Yet the best way to get rid of a demon is confession.
76b9f1 No.757632
>>757335
Because that's just how spirits function?
09aae4 No.757634
>>757544
>Very weak argumentation tbqh.
What is with this board and other boards anyways? A argument like >>757529 would be seen as persuasive in other boards, while here its "weak".
At the same time, some very weak arguments are propped up.
da7abb No.757686
>>757634
Because we're attacked by LARPagans that try to subvert us every day.
76b9f1 No.757732
>>757631
Do you even understand catholicism.
86f11a No.757751
>>757732
Seeing as I had a Exorcist doing a sermon on how Priests that heard confessions did "important exorcist work"? Yeah, I believe I understand Catholicism. Very well at that.
09c28e No.757752
You can't be possessed if you're a Christian sweaty…
76b9f1 No.757756
>>757751
What's his reasoning behind that? I know an exorcist too and he never said anything like that.
>>757754
annaliese michel
86f11a No.757762
>>757756
>What's his reasoning behind that?
Because if all sin is forgiven, the demon has no legal hold on the person.
Of course that's not all there is to that, it can get rid of possessions but not all of them, mostly big demons such as the five generals.
>I know an exorcist too and he never said anything like that.
Well that's normal, you can't be treated with the whole knowledge of the church in a few sittings, even if the subject is confined to something particular such as exorcism. I don't actually know much either.
76b9f1 No.757765
>>757762
You're talking about demonic oppression/obsession friend, not demonic possession. There are many innocent people who got possessed by demons. Those with demonic obsession or welcome demons inside their body will get possessed more easily, but that doesn't mean that those without it can't get possessed. I think you missed a few key points.
357217 No.757941
>>757634
>be seen as persuasive in other boards
Maybe the other boards you browse are filled with retards.
Claiming that man doing evil implies the existence of free will is extremely weak argumentation, in particular when held against "And the Lord hardened the Pharaoh's heart" and citations in the exact opposite direction.
00ff55 No.757949
>>757941
>Claiming that man doing evil implies the existence of free will is extremely weak argumentation,
Except that is not at all what the scripture is saying. Pardon my childish ad hominem but it seems the boards (you) browse have bad reading comprehension I blame the public schools.
I'm going to post it again and hold your hand on this one.
>But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
>Genesis 2:7
You see, friend, what God is doing is giving Adam and Eve (A&E) a CHOICE. A&E had not committed their sin nor did God assume that A&E would disobey Him.
Just so we are clear their choices were as follows:
1) Listen to God's command and live in paradise with Him for all eternity
Or
2) Disobey God and eventually die
Our God is a God of love. You can't love someone if you already planned on killing them at a predestined time. You also can't love someone if you are literally forcing them to love you. Thats why God gave us a CHOICE.
86f11a No.757989
>>757941
Or maybe /christian/, with all its redditors and all the people that don't understand, is the one in the wrong. Who'd been know?
a9d0ed No.761340
demons got free will too they just use it poorly