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The Son gives the Father his entire being in love and the Father gives the Son his entire being in love and the result of this reciprocity of love is the Holy Spirit

>>754750

No, the Divine and Human nature are unified to the one person of the Son. Natures do not worship natures so it's odd to say that the human nature worshiped the God nature.

Are most non-trinitarian this ignorant?

>>754752

Wew, getting a little heretical in here.

>>754753

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>>754757

Then what's john 13:32 all about?

>If God be glorified in him, God also will glorify him in himself; and immediately will he glorify him.

God is God so worshiping himself wouldn't be idolatry especially if the subject is another person of the Trinity like the Father or Spirit.

>>754758

The Son is not the Father and the Father is not the Son. This verse is an internal event and happening within the God head and how the two persons glorify each other.

>>754760

So are glorification and worship different or something. Is the Our Father in Heaven prayer a worship prayer or a glorification prayer?

Who does Allah pray to?

To Jesus?

>>754761

Glory is different to worship in that glory is the incidental effect of worship. When we worship or do things for the sake of God we glorify him in that act. When we say the our Father prayer we are praying and our prayers glorifies God.

>>754763

>memes17apologetics

please get out with this cancer.

>>754765

Hi reddit.

jesus is conduit for god, thats why he is god and so he worships god, you are thinking too hard about not so complicated things really

>>754954

I do like him anon.

Now can you answer the question, who does allah pray to?

>>754963

Muslim Allah or Christian Allah?

>>754965

Already starting with the Tawriya?

That was fast.

>>754974

You might want to search an Arabic Bible. Obviously you won't find "Allah" in an English version of the Bible. Just sayin' …

>>754978

Are we having an english conversation right now or an arabic conversation right now?

Any english speaker using the word allah, is going to be referring to the islamic conception.

But you already knew that.

>>754981

Except in my area I have christian arabic friends that refer to God as Allah shocker I know. So yes I had to specify in order to give you accurate information.

But to finally answer the question you had to make more complicated than nesscary, Islamic Allah does pray:

Here is a verse from the Quran:

>He (Allah) it is who prays (yusallee) for you and His angels too, to bring you forth out of the darkness into the light, for He is merciful to the believers. S. 33:43 Palmer

And here is a relevant hadiths:

>1387. Abu Umama reported that the Messenger of Allah said, “Allah AND His angels AND the people of the heavens AND the earth, EVEN the ants in their rocks AND the fish, PRAY for blessings on those who teach people good." [at-Tirmidhi] (Aisha Bewley, Riyad as-Salihin (The Meadows of the Righteous), Book of Knowledge, 241. Chapter: the excellence of knowledge

>2685. Abu Umamah al-Bahili narrated: “Two men were mentioned before the Messenger of Allah. One of them a worshipper, and the other a scholar. So the Messenger of Allah said: ‘The superiority of the scholar over the worshipper is like my superiority over the least of you.’ Then the Messenger of Allah said: ‘Indeed ALLAH, His Angels, the inhabitants of the heavens and the earths – even the ant in his hole, even the fish – say Salat upon the one who teaches the people to do good. (Hasan)

>Hadith 216:

>The Israelites said to Musa: Does your Lord pray?

>Musa said: Fear Allah, O Sons of Israel!

>Allah said: O Musa! What did your people say?

>Musa said: O my Lord, You already know?

>They said: Does your Lord pray?

>Allah said: Tell them My prayer for My servants is that My Mercy should precede My Anger. If it were not so, I would have destroyed them. [Ibn ‘Asakir] (Al-Ahadith Al-Qudsiyyah - Divine Narratives translated by Dr. Abdul Khaliq Kazi & Dr. Alan B. Day, Section 2: Al-Ithafat Al-Saniyya Bi‘l-Ahadith Al-Qudsiyyah by Shaikh Zain al-Din Abdul Ra‘uf b. Taj al-‘Arifin b. ‘Ali b. Zayn al-‘Abidin al-Munawi [Dar Al Kitab Arabi - USA, 1995], pp. 305-306

Are you satisfied?

>>755003

Allah prays to the God of clarity who means what he says and says what he means. Unlike Allah who means baraka when he says he "prays" and is unclear and mistaken.

>>755014

Why don't you go over to >>>/islam/ and ask them? It should be pretty obvious Allah is praying to himself, but ask the experts if you are not certain.

Just got to the bottom of this thread.

My God am I ever confused whenever I see the discourses of other Christians.

Sometimes I wonder if it is better for me to just study the bible alone rather than let so much confusion enter into me.

>>755037

That's a fair point.

I would say that I don't know of any verses where the father prays to the father though. Or where Jesus prays to Jesus. Its always one person of the trinity to another person.

But Jesus does pray to the Father for supplications, so I concede to you on that. :)

>>755046

*with supplications

>>755037

the self of the father is not the self of the son or self of the spirit.

they are one being, but three persons (selves)

Christ isn't man he is god in the flesh

>>755403

>Christ isn't man

1 Timothy 2:5 KJV — For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

>>755419

That is monomericanist heresy, reported

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>>755424

AYO JESUS WAS A MUTHAwinnie the poohIN BRUTHA