/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>752216

>- Anderson is getting exposed his corruption is about to be exposed

Why is Anderson the corrupt one? Serious question. Locking bank accounts and replacing pastors sounds like he's trying to stop corruption.

I'm far from his crowd, but some of his sermons were refreshing.

>>752216

I’ve been following along. Where have you heard of FBI involvement? Anderson flew down to Texas to help sort things out, he’s still the Bishop of Tempe. No churches have split. As far as I know, no one has left Stedfast Texas. There might be a split in Jacksonville, that remains to be seen. Of course Jiminez isn’t saying anything, he’s not at all involved. Most of the New IFB pastors aren’t sticking their nose in it.

>>752216

NOT A SINGLE LINK

>SCHISM

>schism between independent churches

>Anderson not Arizona but now in TX

Wut? He went to Texas for a meeting with former pastor Romero, he isn't leaving Faithful Word

>Members calling Anderson the Pope of the New IFB

People on here have called him that for a while

>- Anderson is getting exposed his corruption is about to be exposed

I don't think Anderson did anything, it seems to just be Steadfast Baptist

>>752233

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOkt4-gAkYc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbWAhNxVcWo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqjMOgCV6kM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_cu3TfbBjM

>>752216

Based is that Steven Anderson??

Also hes not being corrupt it's people from the Texas strdfast not him

Y'all better be praying for them

>>752271

>baptists are children churches of the whore

>choosing the tradition of men over god

lol

>>752262

/catholic/ has been trying to pin anything they can on him for years

>>752271

>multiple prot denoms somehow worse than one united deonom that teaches unbiblical beliefs regarding Justification

Weak argument

>>752275

>/catholic/ has been trying to pin anything they can on God's children for millennia

ftfy

>>752276

>multiple prot denom

Reality ere are also multiple catholic sects, while most "protestant" sects share catholic works salvation, many churches hold the same core, one, and only gospel.

>they still defend the guy that screeches like a monkey and hops up and down chairs when he's really angry

lol

>>752300

Yeah he's silly. So what? Does that make him guilty?

>>752303

I don't really care, had no idea people took Anderson seriously here

>>752305

I don't. But none the less it's evil to bend the truth to make him seem guilty of things he didn't do. That is not what I've learned from this religion. God have mercy on us all. This place is vile.

>>752308

That's /catholic/ for ya

>>752317

It seems like most of the name callin g comes from Protestants

This is what happens when you have Simon Magus as your pope

>>752318

It hasn't. If the RCC wasn't dealing with things like the pink mafia maybe I'd be more prone to accept the idea that it's the true church, but I can't believe it. It's too corrupt and political. That can't be the true faith for me.

>>752322

Put yourself in a Protestant's shoes, the reread your board. See what people get banned for. The Catholic mod mafia meme didn't pop up for no reason. This board should be called /catholic/. It's a lie.

>Protestantism

>Schism

Are you sure this is not a mistake?

I would not think this is possible….

>>752518

He doesn't

The other pastor stepped down

>>752437

>fullness of its theology

>fullness of its teaching

FTFY

>>752482

>>752371

Right. He's facing temporal judgment.

>>752437

Nice occult hittite two headed phoenix.

>>752308

>But none the less it's evil to bend the truth to make him seem guilty of things he didn't do.

I said there's video of him screaming and jumping up and down a chair, here's the video:

I repent of nothing, I told the truth.

>God have mercy on us all. This place is vile.

Try harder.

>>752327

>Put yourself in a Protestant's shoes, the reread your board. See what people get banned for.

Usually banned for going against the Nicene Creed because you hate Marian veneration, and calling people "faggots" openly, just like Anderson.

>>752543

>symbol was once used by pagans therefore symbol bad

found the Judaizer

>>752325

…yeah looks like the protestant was name calling

>>752610

>I recognize my pagan heritage, but I'm too attached to leave it for Christ

>>752549

I'm fed up as pastor Anderson with the circus among Christianity.

>>752327

The mods here ban for literally everything.

I made a thread anout how suicide wasn't a sin and thye banned me for life like wtf why

Honestly think reddit will at least listen to what I have to say

>>752639

they didnt even give a good reason. At least reddit wouldnt have banned me.

>>752639

>pointing to reddit, which is equally ban happy.

>>752615

>I only look at what I want to see.

>>752630

Suicide absolutely is a sin. You are acting beyond reckless and that permanent ban could have saved someones life. Look at you, ban evading, needing so badly to be mentally superior as a lay theologian. You disgust me. Get out of my board. You are not welcome here, and if you stay any longer you may very well be the cause of someones death.

No wonder the mods ban like they do, they might literally be saving lives and souls considering this absolute trash of a poster. Even if you think suicide isn't a sin, that is something you should discuss only with religious authorities and YOURSELF. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by arguing that here, given how many suicidal post is seen here on a weekly basis.

>>752668

>Suicide absolutely is a sin.

It's a terrible sin. That's why we need Jesus.

>>752630

>I made a thread about how suicide wasn’t a sin

What kind of backwards Church do you go to where suicide isn’t a sin? That other anon is right, banning you may have literally saved lives. Go and stay gone. If you like Reddit so much you should stay there.

>>752696

>thanks to luther, its okay to say suicide isn't a sin because people like anderson are now religious authorities

This is why the mods are so "sensitive". This is very real damage with very real consequences, and we are seeing it manifest right here on our very board.

>>752630

>The mods here ban for literally everything.

>(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

This has to be a joke right?

Also I've been banned for saying Mary didn't stay a virgin after Jesus was born *cough* Mat 1:25 *cough*

>>752718

I'm seeing it now, I get why the mods are doing what they are doing. Retardation on blasphemous levels everywhere you look. Go start /baptist/ where you can revel in your own heresy without whining.

>>752718

You should get that cough looked into, preferably by an Orthodox priest, it seems to be causing you to misinterpret scripture.

>>752718

>Mat 1:25

This is all semantics. This is why some protestants hold to the idea of Mary remaining a virgin. If I recall correctly, Luther and Calvin held to Mary remaining virgin. However, whether or not she remained virgin, she was a sinner in need of a savior. God had to be born from sinful flesh to save humanity.

>…God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh… Romans 8:3 KJV

Jesus knew no sin, but put on the condemned flesh of Adam, and dying in his place for us all who believe.

>>752236

>first link

Is that some gray hair I see on his beard, or is that the cocaine?

>>752728

>she was a sinner in need of a savior. God had to be born from sinful flesh to save humanity.

You won't find Orthodox saying otherwise. We literally wouldn't have hope if she was sinless:

"that which is not assumed is not healed.” - St. Gregory Nazianzen

What Protestants tend to focus on though is only the Crucifixion. When it was Jesus' incarnation where Salvation started.

>>752733

>When it was Jesus' incarnation where Salvation started.

salvation started before Abraham.

It's been by faith through grace the whole ride through.

>>752734

That's confusing to me. Can you clarify?

Yes, salvation was promised from the beginning, in Eve being told her seed would crush the serpent. But it was just a promise. Not an act of salvation. Just hope. And for Abraham, even he was looking towards Jesus. He didn't realize it, but his hope was great enough that it was enough for him.

"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad." -John 8:56

As for the incarnation, this is also why Jesus says of John (the last person who could only "hope"): "Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." -Matt 11:11

Even the least in the kingdom is greater.. because it no longer a hope.. but God literally walking on earth, dividing history, and remaking human nature.

>>752743

>That's confusing to me. Can you clarify?

God had already declared the gospel when he said "let there be light". This is what Calvinists don't understand about what is predestined: God's plan of salvation. The message of the cross is the center of all things. The cross is the reason for the incarnation.

Ephesians 1:4-7

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Genesis 4:26

And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

Genesis 12:2-3

And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Genesis 15:6

And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Genesis 22:8

And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb

Hebrews 11:17-19

By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

Acts 10:43

To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

>>752625

Christ baptizes cultures just as He baptizes persons.

The double headed eagle symbolizes Church and State, separate heads with the same body,

the Church taking care of the spiritual needs/protection of the state and the State taking care of the material needs/protection of the Church.

It is baffling to me that any Christian would have any quarrel with such a state of affairs.

Though I don't believe that's what the double headed eagle meant to the Hittites.

The symbol likely meant something entirely different to them, and if it had pagan meaning, then that meaning deserved to be left behind.

The symbol itself is not inherently evil, symbols only point toward something else.

English is a written language composed of 26 symbols, and those symbols can be arranged to create and destroy, to save or damn. To say

>the Hittites used this symbol therefore the symbol is evil

is as ridiculous as to say that the letter "F" is evil because it can spell F**k.

If you destroy every single cultural custom, symbol and idea that you can't find in the Bible, you wind up in a very Jewish culture. That is why

you are a Judaizer.

>>752728

yes we don't know if she was virgin all life or not the Bible does not state this unambiguously

>This is all semantics. This is why some protestants hold to the idea of Mary remaining a virgin. If I recall correctly, Luther and Calvin held to Mary remaining virgin. However, whether or not she remained virgin, she was a sinner in need of a savior. God had to be born from sinful flesh to save humanity.

>You won't find Orthodox saying otherwise. We literally wouldn't have hope if she was sinless

Thanks for that statement, there was thread about Mary before, and catholics claims was she is sinless.

>>752777

>The double headed eagle

The double headed eagle, which is synonymous with the double headed phoenix, is symbolic of a false resurrection. Completely in line with the antichrist. It's no wonder antichrist churches adopted the ancient hittite symbolism. Just as the Jews took up the star of Molech, and the golden Calf.

>is as ridiculous as to say that the letter "F" is evil because it can spell F**k.

This is an extremely sad attempt to keep embracing your paganism.

>>752787

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-headed_eagle

>antichrist churches

The Holy Roman Empire wasn't Christian? Would have been news to them.

The Byzantines weren't Christian? Seems like it would have been mentioned in one of the Ecumenical Councils.

Stop Judaizing.

>>752787

If you don't know what "symphony of powers" is how can you even begin to debate the meaning of the double head eagle?

http://www.orthodoxchristianbooks.com/articles/587/-byzantine-symphony-powers/

>>752559

He's screaming the entire time, doofus. Jumping on a chair must have come from another shrieking monkey act.

>>752797

The symbol was first used with the Hittites. They attributed pagan meanings to it. We have already gone over this. Stop repeating the same statements and pretending that the conclusion is self evident. Make an argument.

I will again rebut your earlier statements. The double headed eagle symbolizes Church and State to Christians. This is the way it was interpreted by the Byzantines. That there are different groups who attribute a different meaning does not "change" the meaning to us Christians.

And just to be clear, by calling the Church "antichrist churches" you are saying that you reject all 7 of the Ecumenical councils. For all we know, you're an Arian.

>>752801

If that's what you want to think, pagan. Enjoy your new world order.

>>752805

You still haven't made an argument.

>>752727

>when it says Joseph knew his wife Mary it means the opposite of what it says

>>752728

>she was a sinner

not according to catholics

>>752810

I grew up in a protestant church and I understand that they taught you so but he is raight you know >>752728

Bible is not clear about Mary's virginity and brothers/cousins of Jesus

>>752813

Yes it is. It clearly states that she was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus and afterwards she and Joseph slept together "And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus."

>knew her not till

That means they did after Christ was born

>firstborn son

doesn't make much sense to say firstborn if there's only one, firstborn implies atleast one other. Could just say only son or a son.

>>752814

>yes sure, my English Bible is right

that is a translation of a book from before two thousand years and the words had a different meaning.

do some research instead spreading this meme

>>752814

>doesn't make much sense to say firstborn if there's only one, firstborn implies atleast one other. Could just say only son or a son.

Please do some basic research on the subject. Just go to Google, put in "first-born son Jesus Catholic". That's it. That's all you have to do.

The Hebrew idiom is not 1:1 with English conventions 2000 years later. No, the KJV is not the Word of God.

This is so basic. Please.

>That means they did after Christ was born

No, it doesn't.

>>752826

>No, the KJV is not the Word of God.

>the Word of God is not the Word of God.

Typical

>>752826

but remember that it does not mean that she was always a virgin too :)

>>752829

You are typical too, You know?

>>752829

the Word of God is the Word of God

the KJV is a very, very, very good translation of the Word of God from the original languages

it's especially good for the fact that the translators of the KJV only had around 5 Greek texts to work with – whereas modern translators can employ over 5000 first century manuscripts and a better understanding of Greek grammar due to discoveries made in the last 100 years

but the KJV is not perfect, as can be seen in the history of how the book of Revelation was included; borrowing from the Latin Vulgate since the original Greek was unavailable

>>752829

the KJV is a corrupted translation, pushing an Anglican agenda. a real shame to put yourself at risk using a translation with an agenda to say blasphemies.

>>752830

Of course it does, where are the blood brothers of Jesus Christ? There is no John, son of Joseph, the "brother" used in the Hebrew idiom referred to generalized blood relations, not actual blood-brother.

Don't smile while you hurl abuse against the Mother of Jesus Christ.

>>752854

I did research maybe the term is to cousins but we don't know maybe brothers also

Mat 1:25

Mary maybe virgin but maybe not, we don't know. In bible is no such clear information.

It's intersting dont you think taht evangelion is not clear about that?

>>752857

>but we don't know maybe brothers also

Yes, we do know. That Christ had any blood-brothers from Mary is not recorded anywhere at all. If Jesus Christ had blood-brothers, we'd know about it.

>In bible is no such clear information.

Probably because the inspired writers didn't even think this would be an issue 2,000 years later. In any case, the Apostolic Tradition says that Mary died a virgin, and that Christ had no brothers.

>>752858

your doctrine say, i respect that but don't force me to believe it 100% true

i don't have trust to catholic church doctrine for many reason

It's pretty clear that Mary wasn't a virgin her whole life. Nice write up here: http://apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=2665

The original basis for the "perpetual virginity" doctrine is the surprise Mary showed at being with child when the angel told her. But that in no way implies a lifelong commitment to celibacy. The doctrine only exists today as tradition; it fails biblical scrutiny.

>>752858

>>752862

I am happy thats not my problem it's doesn't change anything at all for me and only creates a division for you. If bible didn't say nothing about it means it's not important

>>752863

Ok good for you. Leave the theological discussions to us then.

>>752843

KJV is God's word perfectly preserved in English.

God's word is God's word in any language.

The KJV is God's perfect word.

>>752869

It simply means a change of mind.

Those in that verse are physically perishing. This is why you need to read God's KJV.

>>753006

We can only be grateful that we had to wait 2,000 years for Protestants to affirm that Jesus Christ had blood brothers, which nobody in the early Church or the Apostles or Jesus Christ Himself ever affirmed.

First, Christ became Incarnate, then, we had to wait for the Holy KJV to arrive 1,500 years later for the full and complete revelation!

>>753012

It doesn't say that Jesus had brothers in the original Greek? Serious question.

>>753012

If it was a novelty sure, but I'm making the argument that the apostles and Jesus did affirm it

You're using KJV and protestant as buzzwords

>>753015

Aramaic didn't have a word for cousin, the word for brother was used for full brothers, half brothers, and cousins. So since the Apostles spoke Aramaic as their native language, the argument goes that they would have used the word adelphos even if they were only cousins.

>>753036

That argument doesn't hold up to the doctrine of the inspiration of the scriptures.

The Greek is god-breathed. Greek has a word for cousins.

>>753036

Well, the Greek word anepsios (cousin) is used in Collossians 4:10, and the word brothers (adelphoi) is used in 1 Corinthians 9:5. Paul also uses the word brother (adelphon) in Galatians 1:19:

<But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.

So Paul knew both the words cousin and brother in Greek, and used the word brother to explicitly refer to Jesus' brother James.

>>752236

This guy Adam Fannin is basically having a feud with Anderson. Fannin got screwed out of being ordained because Anderson traveled to his church and appointed a guy named Jonathan Shelley as the new pastor instead. Anderson is slandering Fannin hard on his youtube channel.

>>752718

I've been banned for quoting the bible verbatim.

>>752726

>>752729

I like the way you idiots make posts like this and then pretend you're doing anything but persecuting dissenting opinions. How's it feel to LARP as an inquisitor? Hopefully pathetic, because that's what it is

>>753060

This Fannin guy is being ruthlessly dogpiled by tons of Anderson's friends and people from his own church. Looks like they've decided to not only not ordain him, but also fire him.

Fannin claims that Anderson is doing something fishy with the financial books, that' he's locked them down, transferred them to his name, and is refusing to let anyone look at them.

I wonder if the disgraced pastor was using church funds to buy hookers.

>>753072

Imagine being banned for being a christian.

>>753012

>we had to wait for the Holy KJV to arrive 1,500

What an abominable strawman. The KJV was written by the prophets and apostles. It's literally an English photocopy. Did you know one time the KJV was called the Textus Receptus?

>>753073

Look at this thread. It begins with Anderson’s terrible memechurch getting into antics that no church should be involved in, then developed into some idiot pushing suicide as not being a sin and whining about the mods, to denying the virginity of Mary, to the billionth thread about MUH KJV. All in one thread. And we are idiots? There is no winning with you people. Anything you say goes, and when Catholics say your authority is not valid it becomes persecution. No one is pushing you, it’s literally a bunch of retards opening their mouth about extremely serious topics, who are laymen who have no business being authorities of these topics, persuading others that their one true Protestant viewpoint is the objective truth. I don’t know how the mods haven’t resigned from volunteering on this board.

>dissenting opinions

I can’t get past this. Apparently it’s okay to say “god is cool with suicide” and saying otherwise is persecution. Absolute mental gymnastics. Christianity is truly in a crises only God can solve. winnie the pooh you and anyone else who would deny the immaculate conception and who would even remotely be associated with leading someone to kill themselves. I’m done with this board.

>>753060

>>753083

Sounds like Fannin needs our prayers to win and crush Anderson and his satanic cronies.

>>753103

>you have NO BUSINESS reading the Bible and persuading people >:(

>>753105

How do you not comprehend how dangerous this is? You think I’m just “crying” because I need to feel superior? This isn’t a game, this is people’s spirits.

>>753108

Bait harder kid

>>753111

Aren't you leaving?

>>753112

Vey Christian of you. God bless you. Goodbye.

Let me set a few things straight:

- We are glad that Romero's sins found him out and he is gone

- We feel horrible for his wife and kids

- We are very thankful to Pastor Anderson for helping get us a new pastor

- We could have denied Pastor Anderson's help, but why would we do that? He's a man of God who is doing great works

- Fannin is wicked

- This is going to be a great year for us

>>753125

>Fannin is wicked

Proof?

Also, what is there to gain by making a public spectacle of the implosion of your church like this?

>>753362

Fannin usurped the authority of the pastor. He originally told Shelly that he would support him if he got ordained in 6 or 8 months (whatever Romero promised him). It's interesting that he's now calling us cult because he didnt get his promised pay raise and pastor title.

We're not imploding, we're getting stronger by purging weakness.

>>753370

>Fannin usurped the authority of the pastor.

Which pastor? How did he usurp his authority?

>He originally told Shelly that he would support him if he got ordained in 6 or 8 months (whatever Romero promised him).

And then apparently Shelly changed his mind and said it would take a couple years.

>It's interesting that he's now calling us cult because he didnt get his promised pay raise and pastor title.

Where is he calling you a cult? Also why should he not be displeased with not getting something he was promised?

>We're not imploding, we're getting stronger by purging weakness.

You didn't answer the question. Why is your church making a spectacle by airing its dirty laundry publicly like this? I understand announcing the stepping down of the disgraced pastor Romero, but the dozen videos of people accusing one another of being "wicked" is just ridiculous. Who are you even intending to broadcast those rants to?

Anderson is accusing Adam Fannin of stealing church donations, calling him a criminal, claims that the "audit is already complete" because there are no books to audit whatsoever.

>>753377

Fannin was under whatever pastor leads stedfast here in fort worth. Jacksonville is not independent.

Shelly does not know fannin, so he was free to delay the ordination however long he felt was appropriate in order to feel confident enough and to not lay hands on him suddenly.

There was a video in the past 24 hours that fannin put out calling us a cult.

Sure, he could be displeased, just like you could be displeased at work when you don't agree how your boss is running things. But you shut up or find another job.

This is not dirty laundry. We want to be fully transparent with how things are happening. Sin loves the darkness and hates the light. Just like Paul's

Epistles , it's public so others can see how we have nothing to hide. We also had lots of visitors Sunday who probably wouldn't have come to church but they saw the your tube videos.

>>753379

Anderson also says that every single member of the church who said that they stand with Fannin are ex-communicated from the church. Also says that Fannin should be investigated to see if he has also been hiring prostitutes (with no evidence presented as to why, he just think it's follows from his assumption that Fannin has been stealing church donations).

Anderson then put screenshots of text message conversations he had with members of the church who claim they collected tithes, put it in a bag, and then they believe Fannin collected the bag.

>>753381

>Shelly does not know fannin, so he was free to delay the ordination however long he felt was appropriate in order to feel confident enough and to not lay hands on him suddenly.

Yet hardly anyone knew Shelly.

>There was a video in the past 24 hours that fannin put out calling us a cult.

I checked the video and it appears you are right. He says he thinks Anderson traveling to other churches and making decisions (what you call "helping out") about church leadership is cult-like, and it concerns him. It's obvious that he is correct that Anderson is involved in making decisions, just look how many videos Anderson has cranked out singing Shelly's praises and saying that everyone agrees with his decision.

>he could be displeased, just like you could be displeased at work when you don't agree how your boss is running things. But you shut up or find another job.

<don't rock the boat or criticize Anderson

The man is concerned his church is being subverted.

>This is not dirty laundry.

Yes, it is.

>We want to be fully transparent with how things are happening.

Then tell it to your congregation. Instead, you're broadcasting it to the entire world, complete with clickbait youtube thumbnails such as "BOMBSHELL - AUDIT COMPLETE!".

Now Anderson outright accusing Fannin of being a criminal and suggesting that he stole money to buy hookers and drugs, with zero evidence, all based on hearsay, rumors, and speculation. It may turn out to be true, but at this point it's nothing more than slander intended to make Anderson look like a hero who did the right thing by swooping in and taking control of another church's affairs.

Adam Fannin "will be arrested" if he shows up at the church again. Anyone who "decided to side with the guy" is "gonna be thrown out of the church".

Shelly claims that Fannin:

>doesn't have the spirit of God

>doesn't love the Bible

>is not humbled by the Word of God

>only wanted to satisfy his own lust

This is behavior (by Shelly) is frankly disgusting.

Here Anderson says that anyone who does not accept Shelly as pastor, or who stood by Fannin's side, are not on God's side and are "trash".

Frankly, this does seem cult-like. They do not even have any proof that Adam Fannin did anything wrong, much less illegal, but Anderson is accusing him of being a thief and of hiring prostitutes.

And why is this being done? Because Fannin had the audacity to question Anderson's involvement with churches that are not his own. 24 hours after doing so, Anderson came to the conclusion that Fannin is a thief who "probably" hired prostitutes, ex-communicated him from the church, and kicked everyone in the congregation who had the audacity to say they agreed with Fannin's concerns out of the church.

TEAM FANNIN ASSEMBLE

>>753412

Honestly, at this point I think that Anderson and Shelly both are psychopaths. Even though Fannin does seem to be innocent, it was his choice to associate with Anderson in the first place. I think God is using this to expose Anderson as the snake he is.

Hoping that Fannin will upload another video soon. I suspect he has been locked out of the New IFB youtube channel, I'll see if I can find his social media.

>>753418

>Leading a rebellion against the pastor

>Innocent

Hmm

>>753432

>Appointing pastors at churches that aren't your own

>calling anyone who disagrees with your decision "trash" who "isn't with God"

>ex-communicating more than half the church for having the audacity to question your authority

<not a cult leader

Hmm

>>753433

Sounds like Episcopal polity, not a cult but not Baptist

>>753433

Romero put Anderson in charge when he stepped down.

Those people aren't on God's side, because they're not submitting to the God-ordained authority.

If you don't like the leadership of a Church, leave.

>>753454

I don't know a lot about the political models of the various denominations, but one of the characteristics of a cult is a charismatic leader.

>>753466

That's not what cult means in theological terms but you're right

>>753464

>Romero put Anderson in charge when he stepped down.

>God-ordained authority

So a man who was doing drugs and hiring prostitutes gets to choose who his authority passes to, and that makes it "God-ordained"?

>Those people aren't on God's side

"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS. - Matthew 7:23'

>>753467

Oh, I didn't know it had a theological context. What does it mean in theological terms? Is it when someone misinterprets the Bible in a serious way and gathers followers?

>>753471

In short: A group that claims to be christian but rejects historic christianity

Even though a Baptist considers Catholics to be wrong, we might say they're broadly orthodox and we reserve "cult" for Mormons, or campbellites

So all you Fannin supporters: do you hate Pastor Anderson, the Bible, or both?

I grew up in an IFB church, and the whole movement is ripe for this kind of abuse. The idea of "touch not the Man of God" means to never question anything the pastor says or does, even if he gets caught boning his secretary in his study.

Not to mention the mental, spiritual and sometimes physical abuse that comes with such a firm and unyielding view of scripture.

>>753490

Are you slow? This is literally the opposite of what happened: sin was being committed and when someone reported it it was brought to light. You should be commending pastor Anderson for not respecting persons.

>>753492

Anderson is quick to shriek when nobody respects him

>>753492

And yet when Andersons sins come to light, he calls everyone heretics

>>753556

example? he's a man, of course he has sin, but he's not committing adultery.

>>753560

Believing the words of the KJV are literally God, which is idolatry.

Believing that homosexuals are incapable of turning to Christ and changing their ways, which is a false heresy.

Believing that "God does not love everyone", false heresy.

And of course he's blatantly wrong on many theological doctrines by being a Baptist, but that's another conversation.

>>753555

check'd

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>>753471

Yeah, the key aspect of a 'cult' is control through fear and indoctrination and abuse/ complete ostracisation for disagreeing with the leader, who is normally seen as untouchble. By building up the leader to be untouchable/uncontravertable (if that's a word, just mean you're not allowed to contradict or disagree with him) and having every aspect of life be controlled by the cult/cult leader (beliefs, morals, possessions, finances, lifestyle choices, living arrangements etc. etc) even when you do realise something is wrong you're too heavily personally invested in it across all the different areas mentioned above to consider standing up for yourself for fear of loosing literally everything, including family, so you're ripe for pyschological/mental/emotional/physical/spiritual manipulation and abuse. This is the main definition of a cult, on the extreme side of things, but PSA screeching and excommunicating people who disagree with him it pretty cult-like no doubt.

FANNIN DID NOTHING WRONG!

>>753835

You're only supporting him because you hate Pastor Anderson.

>>753842

>posted by a Calvinist

More proof that the people who hate us are wicked as Hell

>>753851

I know what Pastor Romero has done and the consequences it has entailed is truly awful for everyone involved and am sorry it has happened, but I honestly shamefully cannot stop loving all this as entertainment and the popcorn gif perfectly encapsulates my feelings too

>>753873

Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior than make pilgrimage to 2741 W Southern Ave #14, Tempe, Arizona 85282 (Anderson's church)

>>753873

Come visit us here at Stedfast! We're very friendly and love visitors (as long as you're not a heritic).

>>753873

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>>753880

>all this astroturfing

>>753883

I know it's hard for you to believe, but some people actually like the Bible and want to serve the Lord by getting into a good Church

>>753887

>Not wanting to be in an IFB Church means you don't like the bible

>>753893

What other types of Churches are doing large scale evangelism? Who else is passionate about doing soul winning?

>>753896

Large scale evangelism and passion are pointless if your theological doctrines are wrong.

>>753898

I assume you're not even saved then. Believe the Gospel and receive eternal life!

>>753906

Homosexuality is a grievous sin, but the notion that a gay person can NEVER come to Christ and turn their life around is totally Anti-Christian. It's almost an Islamic view, really.

Christ came to save ALL and ALL can be saved through Jesus Christ. Steven Anderson calls himself a man of God and then tells people to kill themselves. Anyone that would follow such a man is unwell and needs true guidance.

>>753903

>Salvation is a life long process

That's why you're currently Hell-bound. Repent.

Pastor Anderson did not invent Biblical salvation; it's always been by faith alone.

>>753910

It has literally NEVER been by faith alone. It says in James that faith without works is dead. Baptist Christianity didn't even come about until after multiple Protestant reformations. This is basic knowledge to anyone that actually puts effort into learning about Church history, rather than just blindly believing everything some random pastor has to say.

Also, Steven Anderson is against repentance (another heresy), so at this point it's safe to assume you have no idea what you're talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px3EaSVjVjo

>>753917

>It has literally NEVER been by faith alone

Hmm, I'm starting to wonder if you can ever get saved, based on how hard you're pushing works salvation.

>Andersonites

They will continue to implode. They are a terrible cult who abuse the KJV's archaic language to pretend that the Bible says whatever is convenient for them. Imagine if I said a "babe in Christ" is a woman in a bikini (get it? beach babe).

>>753924

Can't you see that you're brainwashed by a cult leader? All you can do is spout Andersonite propoganda. It's sad, really.

>>753924

If Anderson believes in justification by faith alone and once saved always saved, then how is he able to declare that people are not with God after kicking them out of the church? It seems that for Anderson, the "works" that indicate faith is not dead are someone agreeing with him 100% on everything.

>>753926

Strawman

>>753937

Who specifically are you talking about? He's only said that about heretics (e.g. who deny the trinity). Also, someone who is wicked can be saved as well; we do still have the flesh, after all.

>>753950

>Also, someone who is wicked can be saved as well; we do still have the flesh, after all.

Except for gay people, they're just destined for Hell, right?

>>753952

You seem to not understand the sequence of events someone goes through to become reprobate. They are "HATERS OF GOD". Someone who hates God would never believe and call on him for salvation.

>>753961

>Some wicked people can be saved, but not certain kinds of wicked people.

Did Saul not hate Christ's Church and his followers before his conversion? Plenty of Christians were virulently Atheist and Anti-God before they came to Christ. Are they all unsaved reprobates as well, or just the ones that were gay?

>>753961

Then how do you explain homosexuals who have repented and even gone on to have families?

>>753981

This is a very evasive and dishonest response. Anderson called Christians "trash" who are not "on the Lord's side", all because they questioned his authority.

By the way, apparently this is now international news. Rumor has it the IFB implosion even being reported in Japan.

>>753978

>they were never really homosexual in the first place

>>753939

>Strawman

No, its a metaphor, and a very thin one at that. They abuse KJV archaic English all the time.

One of many real examples: Their go-to excuse for not engaging in theological debates outside of their walled garden is to vilify "debate" based on the KJV rendering of Romans 1:29. Yet the word being translated as "debate" in that verse is closer in meaning to "strife" in modern English.

>>754002

kek

>>754002

>>they were never really homosexual in the first place

So if you accidentally (God forbid) entered a room where a guy was giving another dude a blowjob, you'd still not be settled if he was "really" gay or not?

I'd say the act is enough. I'm glad some turn away, but they were a real mess beforehand.

>>753981

Anderson is acting like the IFB Pope!

>>753370

>Fannin usurped the authority of the pastor

are pastors popes now?

>>753471

>So a man who was doing drugs and hiring prostitutes gets to choose who his authority passes to, and that makes it "God-ordained"?

There has to be proof to these accusations, preferably in a court of law, not in a court of public opinion swayed by the church of Anderson.

Even so, is Anderson the pope of the IFBs? Is he the vicar of KJV? If not, why is he acting as such? That's not independent at all.

>church created by man

>falls apart into rival factions

Feels good to be the UNAM sanctum catholicam apostolicam ecclesia

>>754032

>Feels good

Feels good where? Where did the priest touch you?

Kek

>>754026

>Even so, is Anderson the pope of the IFBs?

So it seems. I remember anons on here pointing out Anderson exhibiting Catholic behavior in the past, but this takes the cake. Baptists are a meme, and I say this as someone who was raised Baptist. In my experience, their pastors are ironically everything they accuse Catholics of being:

>selfish

>greedy for money/power

>control the weak through intimidation

>cult-like (e.g. kicking out whomever they please)

>idolaters (e.g. "muh KJV", "muh brand new truck", etc.)

>perverts

>blind supporters of the synagogue of Satan (as opposed to the Church being the synagogue of Satan)

I don't see a very bright future for Baptist churches outside the South, especially once the Baby Boomer Baptist pastors die off and the IFB churches tear themselves apart due to autistic leadership. I'm glad to have seen through their lies and found the Church.

>>754490

Yeah it truly is amazing that you were able put a stop to your crossdressing fetish.

>>753909

This so much. Anderson actively pushes people away from God. He is doing the work of Satan.

>>754552

God bless you brother. What Satan intends for evil, God uses for good.

>>754552

Anderson is not some ruthless warrior of truth. I get the hard preaching; it's awesome. But his doctrines are all-around pretty terrible. There's a reason that that movement is falling apart from the top down over the past couple years. Recognize bad fruit; I can tell you already know something is seriously wrong there. If you can stomach James White, this is a good video demonstrating that.

>>754079

>Husky394xp the works teacher.

Looks like Gene Kim is using this as an opportunity to justify his dispensational doctrine.

He is trying to legitimize his doctrine by saying God is punishing the IFB crowd by attacking Dispensationalism.

https://youtu.be/dFO_cofWVGY?t=2455

>>752216

A million accusations with no evidence. You must be jewish

>>755830

Yeah, Anderson needs to present some hard evidence or he's just going around raising a scandal to look good.

American fundamentalist churches are like watching a real life jerry springer

>>755943

That dude is the embodiment of the Andersonite online troll, but IRL. The personality is just unbearable. Andersonism is inoperable?

>>755943

I want to get some Steven Anderson playing cards

>>754079

Based, good job anon.