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>>751750

>Most OT scholars

Define

>>751750

Most OT scholars are also so liberal their asses are prolapsed.

The question on everyone minds should be how did the author of Genesis wanted this to be read. Also OP should read the orthodox rebuttals against the JEPD hypothesis

>>751759

a link or an author would be helpful anon

>>751779

Gioacchino Michael Cascione

>>751750

>(((Most OT scholars)))

It's Liturgy, an Icon in the broadest sense of the term. It's physically literal, and is also a reflection of the heavens.

Almost all assumptions "scholars" have are completely reversed. I've read people on the Internet argue that it can not be literal because the day was created before the Sun. The Christian understanding was always that the Sun was made to fit the 24h day period, designed for human life, and not the other way around as the nominalist consensus is today.

Most "scholars" today think because God wasn't as industrially effective as possible, therefore it is not literal. They are stuck in the post-industrial world. Thet think literal and meaningful are complete opposites because they hate reality itself, since they have found no meaning in existence. That can only come from God, which they haven't tried searching.

In hermeneutics, literal means "not figurative or metaphorical". Since there is nothing in the creation account, tower of babel, or flood that points to a figurative or metaphorical intent, you're obviously meant to read it as historical prose. The same Bible that plainly states "And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. (Gen. 7:17 KJV)" also says "And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots. And sitting down they watched him there " (Matt. 27:35-36 KJV)

I don't see the challenge to believe. If you already believe in a creator of the entire universe, why couldn't he send a fantastic flood, or curse people with many languages?

The sun takes a backseat because it's partly polemic. They're poking at Egyptians (Northern kingdom specifically), who also had a creation story of a void and chaotic, watery mass, of which the sun (Ra) emerged and created the universe. The scriptures are a polemic against other false priesthoods as well, but in this case, they were saying the Word creates Light. Not Ra.

>>751750

>Most (((OT scholars))) say it's (((not meant to be taken literally)))

BTW, that's nothing against your interpretation of "eras" necessarily. If you can argue that, I'd listen. I just wanted to point out that the word used is a simple one for day.

bible was written by people who lived long ago for me it is change nothing if it was 7 days or millions of years, but for sure if people evolved they didnt know haw old is univers but must somhaw explain reality

Also, to add, "Toledot" (which might be a familiar word here) is the usual word for era. Like in Genesis itself when it says "These are the generations (toledot) of Noah".

To this day, these words mean the same thing. Jews use "toledot". Like Israel's national library is called Toldot Yisrael. And they say "Yom", like in Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement).

I'd love more than anything that it meant era though. Would make things simpler.

>>751948

>not posting an argument

>>751985

Not so. See the following article:

http://www.oldearth.org/word_study_yom.htm

For example, the word translated as "time" in I Kings 11:42 is "yom":

"And the time that Solomon reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel was forty years."

That one is kind of hard to explain as a literal day, but I'd like to see you try.

>>752072

not that guy

yom can be translated literally as a day or figuratively in a number of other ways. How do you identify that "yom" doen't mean day in Gen 1 given the explicit day markers?:

<5 And God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day. (Gen. 1:5 NAS)

<8 And God called the expanse heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day. (Gen. 1:8 NAS)

<13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (Gen. 1:13 NAS)

<19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day. (Gen. 1:19 NAS)

<23 And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day. (Gen. 1:23 NAS)

<31 And God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day. (Gen. 1:31 NAS)