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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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15dc75  No.749441

I'm working on an essay to refute Calvinism in depth point by point. It will be a 5 Chapter essay with each chapter dealing with one of the 5 points of TULIP, each chapter being at least 10 pages each. I'm at the point where I need to respond to the common Calvinistic interpretation of Romans 9 and to do so I need some resources. And the reason why I made this thread was because I'm gonna need your help finding these resources. And so if you could offer me resources to also refute other areas of Calvinism then that would be much appreciated.

God bless.

88a2c6  No.749505

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Henry Newman is a cool dude.

Justification:

http://www.newmanreader.org/works/justification/index.html

Interesting historical facts about Calvins beliefs:

http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2010/06/how-john-calvin-made-me-a-catholic/


15dc75  No.749522

>>749505

Thanks, also may I ask what denom you are in?


15dc75  No.749523

>>749505

And do you have any material that specifically deals with romans 9?


bde16a  No.749527

>>749441

This is a big one from Martin Luther: https://bfhu.wordpress.com/2011/05/13/martin-luther-on-the-real-presence/

Who, but the devil, has granted such license of wresting the words of the holy Scripture? Who ever read in the Scriptures, that my body is the same as the sign of my body? or, that is is the same as it signifies? What language in the world ever spoke so? It is only then the devil, that imposes upon us by these fanatical men. Not one of the Fathers of the Church, though so numerous, ever spoke as the Sacramentarians: not one of them ever said, It is only bread and wine; or, the body and blood of Christ is not there present.

Surely, it is not credible, nor possible, since they often speak, and repeat their sentiments, that they should never (if they thought so) not so much as once, say, or let slip these words: It is bread only; or the body of Christ is not there, especially it being of great importance, that men should not be deceived. Certainly, in so many Fathers, and in so many writings, the negative might at least be found in one of them, had they thought the body and blood of Christ were not really present: but they are all of them unanimous.”


15dc75  No.749529

>>749527

Not exactly what I'm looking for. Presbyterians and anglicans who accept calvinistic soteriology do not deny some presence. the only people who do think the bread and wine is literally just bread and wine are baptists and reformed baptists. But thanks for the resource anyway. I've been considering becoming Lutheran and having a resource that tells me about his view of the sacrament will really come in handy.


770360  No.749530

>>749441

Wrong format. Do a public debate with a Calvinist.


60de00  No.749532

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Dr. Leighton Flowers has a good book on this topic, specifically the Roman's 9 issue. He also has a podcast on YouTube called soteriology 101.


15dc75  No.749533

>>749532

Yeah, thanks. I've already watched it.


15dc75  No.749534

>>749530

I'm actually planning to have one with a user on discord funny enough.


bde16a  No.749535

Here is the Lutheran refutation of (most) of the Calvanist points:

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/was-luther-a-calvinist/


00dd19  No.749617

>>749535

Not op

Thanks for that


619b55  No.749649

I'm a calvinist

Ama


00dd19  No.749654

>>749649

Where do abortion babies go?


a32a3a  No.749655

>>749441

I'm sure Calvinism will cease to exist after your groundbreaking breakthroughs, OP


4d9ab6  No.749680

>>749654

IDK ask God when we get to heaven

Where do you think they go?


2a31ee  No.749692

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>>749441

You can't get around Romans 9. Every pseud who shills an incorrect interpretation of free will just pretends that chapter doesn't exist without exception.


2a31ee  No.749693

Not a Calvinist btw, just a fan of SJ Nectou.


00dd19  No.749713

>>749680

They go to heaven because they haven't sinned, and my doctrine of the elect doesn't require that they have been born and show fruit


15dc75  No.749951

>>749693

He's not even a Calvinist but Catholic


619b55  No.750015

>>749713

Darn, I wish I hadn't been born. That would make everything much easier


019ea1  No.750027

>>750015

Not in terms of salvation, all you have to do is believe to be saved. Even little children do it.




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