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Set a daily prayer rule, every morning, every night before sleep. Ask God to grant you a hatred of sin and a desire for holiness daily.

This >>746126

Remember that however strong the temptation seems, the Lord is stronger.

>There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. (1 Cor 10:13)

I will pray for you.

>>746123

Sorry friend this is the malus of our generation, it affects me too sadly, I've been in for much longer.

Just realize this an addiction and treat as such. Completely wipe it from your life, go cold turkey, if the lewd desires arise, go to something else.

Search for actual "porn addiction" and get informed, if it need be with lust taking you over, don't do it to porn.

Finally pray and repent.

>>746139

>>746126

>>746150

Thanks guys. I will cleanse myself, gonna fast here for the first time in a long while. Enough is enough, I can’t express how much this is a plague upon myself and on society at large. It’s a tool for subversion and temptation, but it’s my fault fot rejecting it.

Think of it this way: When you look at porn you are essentially looking at a mentally ill woman (and/or man) that is so traumatized that they are selling their body for money. All porn stars become prostitutes at some point, because they can't escape the demonic spirits that are in them (unless they become followers of Jesus).

By looking at this kind of person for sexual pleasure is basically the same as using another person as nothing but a tool of pleasure, knowing that they are being destroyed and degraded in the process. By looking at porn you are essentially using a human as a dirty rag and throwing it away when its used up. Looking at it will corrupt you as well.

When you understand that looking at it is so filthy and sick, you shouldn't really look at it anymore. If you can, then you should think if your mind is truly renewed. Just stop it, you know that it's wrong and keeping God from being able to fix you.

As a side note, there are a lot of Catholics here that seem to think that any kind of sexual drive is wrong, and that you should not release it in any way. I've tried to talk about it with them but it's impossible. So I'm just going to say this, masturbation is not wrong unless you're thinking of degenerate sexual desires that conflict with what God thinks is right. For example: Thinking of wanting to hurt someone while having sex is wrong, homoerotic thoughts, and basically everything that conflicts with the law that Jesus said covers all the laws, Love.

God created us as sexual beings, and not releasing our sexual buildup will only make us depressed, don't become a compulsive masturbator though either, because you are not a slave anymore.

Of course, read the Bible yourself and if you have a different opinion, go with that. Since The Holy Spirit helps us understand what is right and wrong.

Sorry, this is kind of a ramble.

>>746123

go to confession after you jack off.

>>746162

>So I'm just going to say this, masturbation is not wrong unless you're thinking of degenerate sexual desires that conflict with what God thinks is right

What 'God thinks is right' is that penis goes into vagina. Or tell me, how do you masturbate without fantasies or porn?

>>746162

>As a side note, there are a lot of Catholics here that seem to think that any kind of sexual drive is wrong, and that you should not release it in any way. I've tried to talk about it with them but it's impossible. So I'm just going to say this, masturbation is not wrong unless you're thinking of degenerate sexual desires that conflict with what God thinks is right.

Thanks for saying this, I've troubled with masturbation since, I'm trying to quit porn for good but my sex drive is still strong.

So I turn to dry fapping, and when I do usually the only things that come my mind were the loving times I spent with my ex.

I know most here wouldn't approve of either, but such was the world I was brought in.

>>746172

So basically what you're saying that if you don't happen to get a wife somehow, you can't release your sexual desire or you're committing a sin?

I've studied the Bible all this time and never have I gotten that impression. You're free to have your own understanding of the scriptures, but the Holy Spirit has not once given me even a slight hint that masturbation is wrong.

Arguing about things like this isn't what followers of Christ are supposed to be doing anyway, so lets just stop here, because this conversation has been had many times here. It will not lead anywhere, because I won't be able to convince you otherwise even if I prove you wrong form the bible.

Do your best to stop. Find a good Christian girl that knows it's her duty to have sex within marriage constantly, and then get married. Don't marry a woman that won't put out after marriage. She's not Christian.

Yes, everything I just said is Scripturally sound. Read Dalrock.

>>746177 (checked)

> I won't be able to convince you otherwise even if I prove you wrong form the bible.

Could you try anyway?

>>746123

Install an "adult content blocker" in your browser. They have them for all of the major browsers. When you get the urge to look at porn, get up off of the computer and do something else.

>>746193

Literally no saint, martyr, theologian, holy person, priest or mystic has ever agreed with you, you poor, deluded fool. They all say the exact opposite and not without coincidence. Even most pagan masters considered masturbation to be a sign of evil on par with adultery.

>>746231

You say I'm deluded, but this isn't some sort of teaching, this is my consciousness of right and wrong, that God wrote to my heart when I was born.

Do you imply that the very act of masturbation is evil no matter what? Then why do animals do it, they were not affected by the fall?

>They all say the exact opposite and not without coincidence

Yes, the ones that that the catholic church has approved.

The bible says that the ones who follow Jesus have a holy calling (2 Timothy 1:9), we are not just some "normies" we are called by God just like these "holy persons" "saints" and "martyrs" you talk about. Of course I would die for my faith just like them, as would any other person who truly follows Jesus. There are many followers of Jesus who agree with me regarding masturbation. Just because you want to have these useless rules and regulations with an appearance of wisdom, don't confuse them with actual Christianity.

>>746241

>There are many followers of Jesus who agree with me regarding masturbation.

Such as?

>>746241

>>746231

I'll just add what I was talking about here too: "You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the spiritual powers of this world. So why do you keep on following the rules of the world, such as, “Don’t handle! Don’t taste! Don’t touch!”? Such rules are mere human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them. These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, pious self-denial, and severe bodily discipline. But they provide no help in conquering a person’s evil desires." (Colossians 2:20-23 NLT)

I will stop masturbating when the Holy Spirit tells be it's wrong, it's that simple. God will guide me to stay in the right path if I'm serious about following Him. He isn't going to judge someone for actions they don't think are wrong, because God is just.

Maybe someday I will have the some opinion about masturbation as you, but for now I simply don't see it as wrong in the slightest, and that's that.

>>746242

My mother for example, and many Christians I've happened to see online talk about the matter. I don't have Christian friends except for my mother, so I can't say know any personally.

>I will stop masturbating when the Holy Spirit tells be it's wrong, it's that simple. God will guide me to stay in the right path if I'm serious about following Him. He isn't going to judge someone for actions they don't think are wrong, because God is just.

>Maybe someday I will have the some opinion about masturbation as you, but for now I simply don't see it as wrong in the slightest, and that's that

Do tell, how does one masturbate without having Lust in their heart?

How does one glorify God through the act of masturbation?

Do you masturbate before going to Church? Would that feel wrong to you?

Masturbation is a habit that the most pious monks struggle to overcome in the beginning of their vocation. But there is a reason they must overcome this.

You compare Humans to animals on the subject of masturbation, are we animals? Or are we made in God's image for the sole purpose to Glorify him?

Please, please take it more serious. Sin is in every layer of the Human life, you must acknowledge it, and work against it.

>>746249

When every Christian in history is so anti-masturbation you literally beg your own mother for permission to wank hahaha

>>746193

>>746241

>>746246

You don't get to decide what's right or wrong, you're a slave to your passions and they inform your moral compass. Lust drives people to do things they wouldn't have done otherwise, there's a reason Jesus taught people to control their passions and be free from sin. You can't serve God and your dick you need to quit watching that filth so that you can start to think straight and make decisions based on reason.

>>746250

>Do tell, how does one masturbate without having Lust in their heart?

Lust for someones wife you mean? I simply dont.

>How does one glorify God through the act of masturbation?

By feeling good. Sexual pleasure only exists because God exists

>How does one glorify God through the act of masturbation?

No? There is nothing wrong with it.

>You compare Humans to animals on the subject of masturbation, are we animals? Or are we made in God's image for the sole purpose to Glorify him?

I'm not comparing Humans to animals, I'm only saying that animals are not Evil. We humans are not the only ones that worship the Creator. The Bible says that all of creation sings God's praise.

>Please, please take it more serious. Sin is in every layer of the Human life, you must acknowledge it, and work against it.

I know, I flee from sin as best as I can.

>>746251

And why do you think that? My mother is the one who taught me about sex and masturbation to begin with, like a good parent is supposed to.

>>746252

>you need to quit watching that filth so that you can start to think straight and make decisions based on reason.

>You don't get to decide what's right or wrong, you're a slave to your passions and they inform your moral compass. Lust drives people to do things they wouldn't have done otherwise, there's a reason Jesus taught people to control their passions and be free from sin.

And I am controlling my passions, as best as I can. I know I don't get to decide what's right or wrong, God decides that. And there is nothing the Bible that implies that masturbation is wrong.

What filth?

>>746259

>you need to quit watching that filth so that you can start to think straight and make decisions based on reason.

When I quoted that I meant to say "what filth?"

>>746257

And to add to the first point, it's not like I'm thinking of someone who isn't my wife either, I think of someone that doesn't exist.

>>746257

>And why do you think that? My mother is the one who taught me about sex and masturbation to begin with, like a good parent is supposed to.

Really now? Honestly I discovered masturbation by myself when I was around 9 years old, it's kinda odd that your parents would teach you that, as I think most people instinctively discover it on their own.

>>746257

So just to be clear, you don't think that masturbation comes under the heading of 'sexual immorality'?

>>746257

>Lust for someones wife you mean? I simply dont.

Any woman.

>By feeling good. Sexual pleasure only exists because God exists

Feeling Good is not the meaning if existence.

>No? There is nothing wrong with it.

If a priest or pastor masturbated everytime before service, and you found out, would you not question his holiness? Do you think sexual urges are Holy urges?

>I'm not comparing Humans to animals, I'm only saying that animals are not Evil. We humans are not the only ones that worship the Creator. The Bible says that all of creation sings God's praise.

We are not animals, we are of Gods image. We are higher than they.

>I know, I flee from sin as best as I can.

You seem to embrace it.

>>746263

But it's obviously Satan that teaches little kids about masturbation according to Catholics.

Also in my third answer in >>746257 I didnt mean to quote the second question twice, I meant to answer the third question

>>746264

Exactly, I don't think masturbation is sexual immorality.

>>746266

Well, it's not about the works of Satan, but rather that us humans are corrupted ever since the descent of Adam and Eve. Regardless of how you view it, it's probably best to avoid it as it only makes you a slave to your desire.

>>746265

>>746265

>Any woman.

Yes, I don't lust for any existing woman, I think that's wrong.

>Feeling Good is not the meaning if existence.

I didn't imply that, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying things… Do you think enjoying things is wrong?

>If a priest or pastor masturbated everytime before service, and you found out, would you not question his holiness? Do you think sexual urges are Holy urges?

We are humans, we have a sexual drive that God created for us. There is nothing wrong with that.

>We are not animals, we are of Gods image. We are higher than they.

I don't think I said anything that conflicts with that? I agree.

All I said was that animals were not affected by the fall like us humans.

>You seem to embrace it. (sin)

Jesus gave us freedom, I don't intend to go back to slavery, despite what you seem to think.

>>746246

>I will stop masturbating when the Holy Spirit tells me it's wrong, it's that simple.

He is here in this thread, chastising you for your sins, you idiot child. God have mercy on your soul.

>>746271

You are a slave to sin. You have turned your God-given faculties for procreative activity into a toy – the very part of your body meant for the glories of new life is nothing to you but a distraction, an itch you scratch whenever you feel like it. It is a monstrosity; an abomination.

>>746271

>Yes, I don't lust for any existing woman, I think that's wrong.

So how do you masturbate?

>I didn't imply that, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying things… Do you think enjoying things is wrong?

Yes, creating a habit of self pleasure is wrong. The only pleasure we should live for is Love.

>We are humans, we have a sexual drive that God created for us.

Yes, he created it for a specific reason- to have children, not to masturbate.

>There is nothing wrong with that.

You are going against his desires, so you are wrong.

>I don't think I said anything that conflicts with that? I agree.

You pointed at the action of animals to justify your reasoning– that is wrong.

>All I said was that animals were not affected by the fall like us humans.

We aren't talking about the acts of animals here tho are we? You said animals masturbate so we should to. Animals also rape, when Humans do rape it's considered a great act of sin.

>Jesus gave us freedom, I don't intend to go back to slavery, despite what you seem to think.

We are slaves of Christ, despite what you think.

Masturbating is not bad.

It's good and having children is bad.

>>746273

That's not what the Holy Spirit does. When The Holy Spirit does something, He does it to glorify Jesus Christ. He doesn't blame or convict anyone of Sin, but instead teaches and disciplines us.

>>746278

Christ disciplined when The Holy Spirit was with him.

What are you talking about?

You are on the verge of heresy

>>746277

Begone Satan.

>>746278

Jesus Christ drove the merchants out of the temple with a whip. As such, we are called to drive out sin with a sword. Bitching about us being meanies is not only a waste of time, but also unmanly; effeminacy being a sin. Stop it.

Masturbation is a sin. Your own private interpretation – ignorant of wisdom as held by great men and women of God – is wrong. Repent.

>>746276

Yes, I am a slave of Christ. But not because he forced me to, it's because I chose to be a slave of Christ out of my own free will, because that's the right thing to do. That's completely different from being a slave to sin.

Would you rather belong to God who can't do wrong, or would you rather belong to Satan who doesn't love, only hates, lies and murders.

You say that masturbation is so obviously wrong, but there is nothing in the Bible that implies that is is.

And yes, rape it obviously wrong, but masturbation isn't.

>>746279

I think you misread my post. Read it again.

>>746280

It's wrong? And what if I say that I think you're wrong? Your word is not the word of God.

>>746281

I understood you perfectly fine.

You are gravely mistaken about this subject.

Why do you think Chastity is considered a virtue? Because it rebukes sin. Note; Chastity denies masturbatiom BECAUSE it revokes sin.

>>746271

>I don't lust for any existing woman, I think that's wrong.

2D is it?

>>746282

Ok, so show me in the word of God why masturbation is wrong so I have a reason to chastise myself in that specific area.

>>746283

Let's not change the subject okay? I'm just trying to figure out why you guys are so insistent on masturbation being wrong, that's all.

>>746241

>they were not affected by the fall?

What

Animals were affectedb y the fall.

In Paradise there was no need that one animal would ever have to eat another animal.

Furthermore God made us stewards of his creation which means that animals are supposed to be under our command. They aren't supposed to attack us yet they do.

>>746249

>My mother for example

Do you have OTHER examples?

>Why?

Because if masturbation was always valid, then there would be examples of people accepting it before the protestant reformation(as the teachings of Jesus Christ are immutable)

For example, you say

"My consciousness of right and wrong, that God wrote to my heart when I was born."

And do not consider that other humans would have the same sense of right or wrong.

I'm not saying just Catholicism or Orthodoxy either. Literally nobody, not even other Christians such as Anabaptist that existed before the protestant revolution, thought that masturbation was non-sinful. Your consciousness is stained by sin is the more likely answer I am afraid. At least, its less insane than claiming that nobody recognized something in the faith until year 1900+ when some Christians started believing Masturbation was okay.

>>746281

No, my word is that of the Church since the very beginning. Every Church Father, all the Doctors of the Church, saints from East and West, great religious from Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant backgrounds, ALL say the same thing about masturbation: It is fornication of the heart; it is a serious sin against God and what He intends for us with regard to ordered sexual function.

Masturbation is to sex what a lie is to spoken truth; a hollow, pale version stripped of all Godliness. THAT is what makes it a sin against God.

Notice that nobody on this board will agree with you – and there is a range of perspectives, from Traditionalist Catholics to Non-denominationals – because you are flat-out wrong about this. We can debate denominations and high theology and metaphysics, but sexual sin is an area so black and white that there is virtually no debate surrounding it throughout Christian history, from St. Augustine to St. Aquinas; from Martin Luther to William Lane Craig; there is unanimity in the same what that there is unanimity about Jesus performing miracles and God being a Trinity.

Repent.

>>746286

>same what that

same way that*

>>746284

>Let's not change the subject

Well hang on. Are we arguing over whether masturbation is instrinscly sinful, or is it only masturbating to certain things which is? Is it only sinful to masturbate to pornography involving real women? Is it not sinful to masturbate to depictions of fictional women? What if you have a waifu, is that not sinful or is it idolatry as well as sexual immorality? Where is the line drawn?

>>746288

Anon is claiming that masturbation, in and of itself, practised for pleasure, is not sinful.

>>746285

In Paradise there was no need that one animal would ever have to eat another animal.

Exactly, IN paradise.

Adam committed the first sin by allowing Eve to be deceived. His blood flows in us today, so his sinful blood is in us.

Animals have nothing to do with it.

>Do you have OTHER examples?

As I said, Christians I've seen on the internet. People who aren't catholics.

>Because if masturbation was always valid, then there would be examples of people accepting it before the protestant reformation(as the teachings of Jesus Christ are immutable)

Umm ok, but… Jesus never said masturbation is wrong..? Nowhere in the bible it says masturbation is wrong. It doesn't matter what people think.

>>746286

This board is pretty much all catholics, I'm not surprised in the slightest you guys dont agree with me.

>>746291

But all of those are things that God said was wrong. Sexual desire on the other hand, is created by God, those other things are a result of sin.

>>746291

as someone who suffers from gluttony and masturbation the urge feels very much the same, i have gone long periods without masturbation and didn't feel like i needed to "release" anymore than when i feel i need to indulge my gluttony

>>746291

Also is that a mod for darkest dungeon, or is that just artwork? I'd like to get it

>>746294

>It doesn't matter what people think.

It does? If the Holy Spirit is guiding us, there must be deeper implications to that.

If you think you and modern people(that are surrounded by lewdness everywhere, which is something you should consider) are more guided by the holy spirit than older people, then that's Pride.

I'd like to argue your other points but it seems you don't keep track of the argument, so its impossible.

For example:

>But all of those are things that God said was wrong.

You're trying to make a argument here on this last point, but its a non-sequitur.

Let me guide you into the conversation, so I can demonstrate why.

>>746177

Anon claims that lust must need a outlet, and therefore, there must exist a non-sinful way to get rid of it.

>>746291

I argue that this is a non-argument because

>>746294

You argue that God doesn't point out masturbation is bad in the bible.

Which is cool and all, but you are ignoring the flow of the conversation. We are arguing if masturbation is lawful based on the need of a outlet for it, and this post doesn't address that at all, instead derailing the conversation.

>>746296

>or is that just artwork?

Just that artwork as far as I'm aware. Its Star Breaker, form Orange Juice's games.

>>746294

>Animals have nothing to do with it.

Why'd you bring them up then?

>Nowhere in the bible it says masturbation is wrong.

On the contrary, the scriptures are full of condemnations of sexual immorality, which has been reasoned ITT to include masturbation because it feeds desire and is a waste of seed. You have yet to present a convincing argument for why masturbation should not be considered sexual immorality.

>This board is pretty much all catholics, I'm not surprised in the slightest you guys dont agree with me

I have serious doubts about what you are saying.

t. Protestant

>Sexual desire on the other hand, is created by God, those other things are a result of sin.

Sexual desire, much like the desire for food, is an appetite for those things which humans are naturally inclined towards, viz. sustenance and procreation. C.S. Lewis summarised it well when he said that when you commit sexual immorality, you are trying to isolate one element of the sexual desire (physical pleasure) from the whole (love of your wife, conception of a child), just as if you were trying to gain the pleasure of taste by chewing food and then not swallowing it.

>>746298

None of those imply masturbation is wrong

So, what is sexual immorality the bible talks about?

Fornication, adultery, sexual degeneration like homosexuality etc. Where do you get the idea that masturbation is wrong?

>Abstain from passions of the flesh, which wage war against your soul.

How does masturbation wage war against my soul?

And that last point, Romans 13:14 does not mean that we are not allowed to enjoy anything

>>746304

>How does masturbation wage war against my soul?

Try not to masturbate for a few weeks. You'll see that you'll have a strong desire to masturbate again.

>>746299

>the Holy Spirit is guiding us

Exactly, thats why we shouldn't just believe every random person that claims to speak what God has told them.

>We are arguing if masturbation is lawful based on the need of a outlet for it, and this post doesn't address that at all, instead derailing the conversation.

Alright, sorry. I misunderstood.

>Every single sensation you could ever feel was created by God and has a proper place and function. All of them can be abused and masturbation is one such abuse. Don't lie to yourself.

But I don't feel like I'm abusing it, I really don't. Sorry.

>>746303

On the contrary, the scriptures are full of condemnations of sexual immorality, which has been reasoned ITT to include masturbation because it feeds desire and is a waste of seed.

So peeing and pooping is wrong because it feeds desire? Ok.

>>746306

Yeah, ive done that many times.

The reason I want to masturbate is because I'm horny, not because I'm addicted to it.

Btw you guy are barraging me with a bunch of questions every 7 seconds. I just can't answer everything.

I'm gonna stop soon, this is just ridiculous at this point

>>746307

>But I don't feel like I'm abusing it, I really don't. Sorry

What is the first step of an addiction? Admitting guilt.

>So peeing and pooping is wrong because it feeds desire? Ok

?????

>>746307

>So peeing and pooping is wrong because it feeds desire?

Urine and feces are waste products of digestion. Semen is not. I think you know that.

Can you accept that just because the scriptures don't contain the word 'masturbation', and you don't "feel" sinful when you do it, that doesn't mean it's not sinful?

Just turned midnight GMT, Merry Christmas all

>>746307

>Exactly, thats why we shouldn't just believe every random person that claims to speak what God has told them.

Jeez you dodged the point of what I was saying pretty badly there. And I thought I had a pretty good argument done.

Well then, bye. As the bible has spoken I shall, repeat– Let you be accursed for trying to bring another person into your modern thought.

>>746304

>being this much of a brainlet

I am somewhat suspicious that you're actually trolling. It's like if someone came here and posted that murder isn't actually wrong if the person murdered was suicidal or something equally stupid.

There's also the fact that you were apparently taught this nonsensical view of masturbation by your mother. How convenient that, when telling us this, you forgot 1 Timothy 2:12 in the process.

Back to the matter, however, I urge you to go to any historian who specialises in Levantine history and ask them if the Hebrews of the early first century (which included Our Lord and His Apostles) considered masturbation a sin. You will find the answer to be, to no-one's surprise but yours, YES.

>>746307

>I don't feel

Your feelings are little compared to the insight of saints who died for Christ.

>>746309

I used to be a slave to sin.

I used to be mean to my mother. Avoiding her and pushing her away from me, disrespecting her.

I used to look at disgusting, sinful things on the internet, like gore, porn etc.

I used to hate the way I looked.

I don't do any of those things now, because I belong to Jesus Christ now. I repented.

>>746313

>>746310

Yeah Im becoming tired of this, sorry for my lazy answers. I want to just stop this.

>>746313

If God wants to curse me because I wondered why a lot Christians seem to think masturbation is wrong, feel guilt from it, and asking them questions as to why they think that way, then let it be so. Sorry for missing your argument.

>>746317

Ok. I'm going now, bye. Also, it's true that God prefers that women should teach other women, not men, a woman who is spiritually wiser than a man should be able to teach that man, and not leave them in ignorance.

>>746321

I will pray for you.

>>746321

>I used to be a slave to sin.

Still are, as we all are, you are no exception.

>>746321

>Ok. I'm going now, bye. Also, it's true that God prefers that women should teach other women, not men, a woman who is spiritually wiser than a man should be able to teach that man, and not leave them in ignorance.

Yes woman can teach man, but they are not to take a role of authority especially in a heirarchy of Church.

>>746326

Read romans. If you follow Jesus with all your heart you are His servant, not a slave to sin.

Jesus died on the cross so we don't have to be slaves to sin.

That's pretty much the core message of the bible, how did you miss it?

>>746328

Yes, and Unfortunately you don't employ your full Heart.

Hate to say it, but you're not a Saint.

You have no discipline.

You have no respect.

You are fallen as we all are.

You hold your self in a possition of pride

You find your self mighty for being a basic human being. Congradulations you now respect your mother. Congradulations you no longer despise your self.

But I say to you, even these ""virtues"" that you have claim to conqured are far off from what God wants, you are short of Heaven and no works that you ever provide God will be Good enough.

Perfection is what God wants, and perfection is a pathway and you my friend are not on this path.

I said earlier in this thread Chastity is a great virtue- you have none of it.

>>746332

I do not think of myself as mighty for these things I stopped doing. These are deeds of repentance, and it's what God wants us to do. This is a way of showing that you want to follow Jesus. These are not works.

Perfection is a pathway that starts when you start following Jesus and give your mind to him. And yes, I am on that pathway. Jesus has made me better person after I started following him, and I have noticed this.

Let's stop this. I love you, but talking with you makes me feel disgusted. It's like you're spitting in the face of Jesus for this gift he has given us and making it about you chastising yourself from every pleasure.

I'm not wise enough to continue talking about this

>>746337

You completely miss what we are saying to you. You bring up literal defection and compare it ejaculation.

I'll pray for you as another anon said. This is no longer a conversation of Good Faith when you accuse us of spitting on Christ's message. God have mercy.

>>746340

Defecation*

>>746337

Also, masturbation is but a pleasure of Flesh.

Only actions of Love may pleasure our heart, and those are graces given by the Holy Spirit.

>>746162

>As a side note, there are a lot of Catholics here that seem to think that any kind of sexual drive is wrong, and that you should not release it in any way. I've tried to talk about it with them but it's impossible. So I'm just going to say this, masturbation is not wrong unless you're thinking of degenerate sexual desires that conflict with what God thinks is right. For example: Thinking of wanting to hurt someone while having sex is wrong, homoerotic thoughts, and basically everything that conflicts with the law that Jesus said covers all the laws, Love.

Nice projection. There's nothing wrong with sexual desire and sex with your wife. Everything else is immoral.

>>746123

quit bragging and change your ways thru empathy of the exploited and settling down with a hefty gal

>>746177

>I've studied the Bible all this time and never have I gotten that impression. You're free to have your own understanding of the scriptures, but the Holy Spirit has not once given me even a slight hint that masturbation is wrong.

winnie the pooh off you sola scriptura retard.

>>746241

>You say I'm deluded, but this isn't some sort of teaching, this is my consciousness of right and wrong, that God wrote to my heart when I was born.

Your conscious means nothing with regards to morality, you delusional retard.

>>746321

Look buddy, I also wish masturbation wasn't wrong, but that's clearly not the answer. The fact that you're trying to defend that position and don't see yourself having developed an addiction merely proves the point that masturbation is a dangerous sinful addiction.

A Protestant trying to justify sin because of muh interpretation or muh feelings. Where have I seen this before?

Just don't feed the troll guys

>>746162

No. Masturbation is immoral.

Offenses against chastity

2351 Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.

> Offenses against chastity

> 2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."138 "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved." (CCC)

>>746483

Sorry, didn't mean to quote 2351, but it's not a bad reminder.

>>746375

No it doesn't. Anything can be compulsive, and when it becomes compulsive it becomes a sin.

>>746490

Yes, I know. But this is nothing more than arguing that leads nowhere.

You guys are just constantly attacking me and treating me like an idiot because I came to different conclusions from reading the bible than you, do I don't really want to continue because this will lead nowhere.

I'm not going to stop doing things just because you think it's wrong. The word of God teaches us about how we can renew our mind and turn away from things that are sinful.

Jesus taught us not to steal, murder or false testimony. Instead, love one another like yourself, and God in every situation.

If God is the sort of person that just lets someone commit a sin without them knowing, even if they are trying their best by praying and studying the bible for years, and then throws them into hell because they didn't know that they were not allowed to masturbate, then I guess I'm going there.

I truly am trying my best to talk with you guys here but then you start saying stuff like: "We are still slaves to sin, the blood of Jesus didn't do anything" and that "repentance is just something you say with your mouth and showing that you repent by being sorry enough to stop sinning", and honestly that just makes me depressed to be here.

So I will leave this place for good now like you wanted me to, I obviously don't belong here.

Bye.

>>746555

>because they didn't know that they were not allowed to masturbate

Except the Bible does tell people to not masturbate. Just because you interpret it wrong doesn't make you right.

>Bye

Bye, don't come back.

>>746555

Reading the Bible should kill you.

>>746717

lol what anime is that

>>746346

> There's nothing wrong with sexual desire and sex with your wife. Everything else is immoral.

what if you masturbate to the sexual desire of your future hypothetical wife?

>>746856

then its a sin and you're a low test cuck for not winnie the pooh her and jacking off instead

EXCUSE ME, But I believe Catholicism only recognizes sex with your wife for the purposes of reproduction and bonding, but not "sating lust" as some posters in this thread claim.

>>746888

true, and nice digits, but i think they mean that wanting a wife and wanting to winnie the pooh her is not inherently lustful. you can't date a girl towards marriage without saying to yourself, okay i can see myself winnie the pooh her and having kids. that is not lustful, if it were, there would be no way to get married without sinning first. i am not a theologist tho

>>746711

You mean Weimerica

>>746888

they are being unclear when they say "sating lust".

as long as the act is completely open to the procreative act, it really is only understood to be something the ones partaking in the act can be the judge of

not only that, gazing "lustfully" at your wife is considered ok according to St. Thomas Aquinas, provided it is all ordered towards the natural sexual act.

there's nothing wrong with being sexually attracted to your spouse, but there are very strict parameters involved in courtship and the like

>>746123

Sometimes sin can be so deeply embedded within us so much so that we lose hope in moving past it. Remember that God always loves you no matter what and that it is not by works that we are forgiven, but by grace. Give a prayer to the Lord every night and morning and ask not for a life without sin, but a path to a more honorable lifestyle. Give honor to his name, ask for your daily bread, and pray for forgiveness as you have forgiven others.

Eat less mest and animal products if you really want to quit fapping. Avoid large meals and just eat less in general. If youre not going to be a householder with a wife and family quit eating so much food its just making you fap. Especially animal products.

>>746193

>anime picture

>>746271

>existing woman

Do not watch hentai either.

Argh I never fapped until like 22 after being finally convinced into it out of fear of wanting to know whether my dick even works or not and ever since I've been fapping to porn, not particularly degenerate, but feeling sad about it. I'd much rather have a wife but it never happens.

How about this Mr. God. I am deeply tempted to fap all day today. For the next week or so however I will resist with all my might the urge to fap. In return, let me live a holier life, by having a wife. If you can deliver me a suitable wife in this time or at least give me some sense that in refusing to sin in this way that you are seriously working on arranging for me a wife, this will be surely a most fair deal.

As it is I am not sure I will even be able to write this post and then go and immediately sin the moment it's sent afterwards. I hate this sin but I keep doing it because you never let me have a wife.

I wish I never started fapping especially as I successfully resisted it for so long but I guess it was necessary now I just don't know how to regain that sense of purity I used to have.

>>746187

>it's her duty

No.

>have sex within marriage constantly

Gross and hedonistic.

>>746981

In a certain sense isn't asking for a life without sin asking for being raptured out of this world or for a hastened death? From what I've heard this life is all sin, all of it.

>>753507

>Argh I never fapped until like 22

wow! Had no idea this was even possible in this age. Keep away from it all now, ESPECIALLY porn, the real infectious sickness, it's like a little flame that you blow on gently and by giving in each time you're going to make it burn so much more til it's all consuming. Simply not worth it bud, keep away.

>How about this Mr. God..[..]..this will be surely a most fair deal..[..]..I hate this sin but I keep doing it because you never let me have a wife.

Don't treat God like this bud >>750771 >>750826

>>753546

>Had no idea this was even possible in this age.

Believe it or not, it is NOT that rare. Some families still hold the old traditional values and raises their children such. I know people who never had fast food, thank for parents for being strict and wise enough to recognise that those are toxic diet even before the "experts" goes on TV and spout their sophistry.

Just because the (((media))) drown people every day with bad news and degeneracy does not mean everyone became as bad as they want you to believe that is why they have to repeat their bullshit every single day and put the most degenerated people on television to show case.

>>746177

u wot?

It's simple OP. You dont hate your sin enough and you don't appreciate the sacrifice of Christ enough or understand it. How do I know this? Because I'm in the same boat. Since 13? Try 9 years old. And sexually corrupt since 4. I'm convinced a sexual entity attached to me at a very young age. I curse the day I first looked at porn. If only I knew.

You dont hate it enough. In fact, you still love your sin, that's why you cant even go a week. The only way you'll be free is if you stop trying. Woah anon! That sounds counterproductive. Did you think youd be able to do it by yourself? Do you think that God will take half the credit for your perseverance? No, he requires all the glory. As sin increases, so does his grace. If this is the case, then should you sin more so that grace abounds? By no means! But because your sin is great, so the more will God be glorified when you finally decide the crucify it because God can say "I freed you." Instead of you saying "I freed myself." Guilt and shame is from the devil.

OP. Stop trying. Stop going cold turkey. You will fail EVERY SINGLE TIME. Whether you go a day or a month, as long as you have done so on your own, your efforts will be in vain.

"Oh my gosh then what's the point? Now I'm twice in despair!" You might say. The higher your effort is, the greater your despair will be all the more. If you want to be free then ask God for freedom. Prove to God you want to be free. Prove to him that you actually want to forsake your sin and prove that you dont desire to be a slave who is secretly content with the benefits of being a slave. The one who the son sets free is free indeed.

Forsake your sin and confess it to God and he will forgive you. Consider it done away with at that point and then be humble enough to accept the Lords forgiveness. The one who is forgiven much will love much. And those who love the Lord much will obey him much.

My streak so far is 11 days. This might sound like chump change to some of you, but if only you knew that I went from a perverse sexual deviant to one who easily resists it daily without effort, youd know what my radical switch meant to me. And when I fail, it's not because I couldnt resist. Its because when I'm tempted, I readily invite it in. I'm at the point where I can always say no. And then it becomes a choice between lust and God. When i choose God, i simply say to my father. "Abba, Abba, I am weak, deal with this temptation." And immediately it leaves. Its not a fight for me. It doesnt have to be. My Father fights for me!

God bless OP

>>755102

most underrated post

>>753512

>You cannot change my mind.

thanks for playing then

>>746711

amen

>>746273

>He is here in this thread, chastising you for your sins

You best be cautious trying to speak on behalf of God, fam

>>756088

>>756089

I know you probably think you're helping, and I'm not even an anime hater but those are so fvcking faggy you need to delete them. Do you think your future wife would be pleased that you kept pics of cute anime girls to be associated with scripture? What do you think your future daughter would think of her father if she found out her dad kept pics of anime girls to comfort him? Don't you think she would think 'why would he emasculate himself like this?' Because I do. Do you think a man should keep these sorts of images associated with scripture on his computer, if at all?

>>755102

OP here, thanks man. I will destroy this with a renewed rage in my heart and passion for Christ.

>>746126

Find a girlfriend, (one who is faithful of course)

>>746123

You are too proud and effeminate and have no fear of God.

Amend your life and diet to be manly and not estrogenic. Aromatase inhibitors will destroy your hypersexuality. Take aspirin.

>>768371

> he can just claim

Suggesting that you lie to your wife and daughters justify keeping your anime girl pics? smh fam

>>746123

Stand Up Strong…And sin no more.

>>769365

based mother 3 poster

still waiting on that western release though

>>769458

Never going to happen, because if they would release the game outside of Japan, they know that they would have to censor the game heavily.

http://www.jeuxvideo.com/news/999991/mother-3-ne-serait-jamais-sorti-en-occident-a-cause-de-la-censure.htm

>>755102

God bless you

>>769606

Well shit. In actually though, what i am really hoping for is mother 4. But i don't think it's going to happen either..

>>769503

Based. But what do you think about the magypsies? They look like men that dress as women.

>>769849

Spoiler pic, I forgot to put the veil.