/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>744013

Why do you think it's gods job to spoonfeed you on the topics of moth and rust?

Firstly because it isn't necessary for your salvation and God doesn't want you to lose your time studying while you could work on your salvation.

Secondly he gave to a developed brain so you can understand it.

>>744026

But why does "salvation" have to be concerned with bronze age morality or morality in general? These things are insignificant. Why can't salvation be ultimate knowledge of the nature of existence?

>>744019

But it hasn't. You can talk about spiritual effects, if there is any such thing as a spiritual world. But that hasn't helped humanity in any significant way as far as I can tell. The world is the same as it was 2000 years ago. There is still suffering, still problems, still joy, still progress. Nothing really has changed on any cosmic scale.

>>744013

>Like marriage is simply a human institution created a few thousand years ago for ancient civilization that shouldn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

If you really think family is just an institution and thing of the past, than you're bound to be retarded, if you don't see that the fall of morals and role models correlates to the fall of the family I don't even know what to tell you.

To sum it up, Christ didn't came to teach us knowledge, we have to figure that ourselves, but he came to give us morals on how to conduct ourselves and know how to use that knowledge.

>>744037

>But why does "salvation" have to be concerned with bronze age morality or morality in general?

Define “Bronze age morality”.

>These things are insignificant.

Prove it.

>Why can't salvation be ultimate knowledge of the nature of existence?

<Why can’t I be saved by my own le supreme intellect

>>744039

Well human beings are just animals. Civilization and morality are just invented. If we lived in perfect accordance with nature then we should be animals I guess.

>>744044

>Define “Bronze age morality”.

Read Leviticus you'll get an idea.

>Prove it.

Because morality is a human invention that means absolutely nothing for the universe because everything is ultimately meaningless anyway.

>supreme intellect

If we're going to give meaning to anything then knowledge would be the best way to do that. The only way really.

>>744037

Because salvation is about your soul not your brain. So that's why morality is important because its about the soul and scientific knowledge isn't because it respects the physical body.

>>744049

>Read Leviticus you'll get an idea.

Find one thing wrong with it. You don’t believe in objective morality anyway.

>Because morality is a human invention

You have no evidence of that.

>that means absolutely nothing for the universe because everything is ultimately meaningless anyway.

Lotta suppositions there. Sounds like you don’t believe in God at all, tbh.

>You can talk about spiritual effects, if there is any such thing as a spiritual world. But that hasn't helped humanity in any significant way as far as I can tell

So basically we're losing our time because everything we tell you goes against your axiom that there's nothing outside the material world.

In that case the matter is closed.

>>744051

>Find one thing wrong with it. You don’t believe in objective morality anyway.

Oh I'm not arguing anything is wrong with it. I'm telling you simply that something like Leviticus is a great example of Bronze Age morality. I never said it was wrong or right.

>You have no evidence of that.

And what is your evidence it is divine?

>Lotta suppositions there. Sounds like you don’t believe in God at all, tbh.

And what's your poof that the God of the Bible is real? What's your poof the philosophical God (if he exists) is the same as yours?

>>744052

I suppose it is. Considering there is no proof that anything but the physical world exists.

It's a deep and puzzling question. But an even deeper question is: why the fuсk you are on this board?

>>744037

Why would you assume that morality is insignificant? Why do you assume that having ultimate knowledge is good?

>>744054

And there's no proof that only the physical world exists.

That's why it's an axiom.

You chose it and developed your ideias around it.

Just like when Euclides chose his 5 axioms for geometry. They cannot be proved, yet you can build something with them.

Basically our knowledge is based on something we cannot prove.

And if only believe in the things we can prove experimentally we would be dumb like that guy that lost his keys in the middle of the night and only looks for them in the illuminated places.

The sad thing is that so called "scientists" sell to people their shitty materialistic philosophy and people take the bait.

If I was the ruler of the world I would make everyone and a physics degree so they could distinguish real science from shitty pseudo philosophy.

>>744047

Even the most intelligent primates can't form abstract thoughts. They can't come up with concepts like chastity and self mastery.

Humans can and this can't be from having a more powerful computer called human brain, otherwise we would be able to see this kind of behavior, even if residual, in advanced animals.

I seriously don't know how this memes come into being.

Strange paradox of modern times.

More and more animals get human rights and humans are more and more seen as animals.

> hey guys guys.. . .The nature of reality is . . . Eternal LOVE with Me your creator!!!!

< OmG y doent u just teech us da tru nachure of reelty

If you are hungry, you dont care about how reality works or the chemical composition of your food. You only want to eat to satisfy your hunger.

The Bible is there to lead men to Salvation. It isnt meant to tell you about quantum mechanics or Chlorine

Chemistry is gay OP.

If it was physics or math you would still be wrong but at least I'd get a better impression of you.

>>755134

It’s a real catch 22. Meaning itself has no purpose without eternity, but eternity devalues the very things it would lend meaning to.