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>>743672

What kind of thoughts are you having about Catholicism?

>>743676

*day

>>743677

The churches claims to authority, what that authority means, and the grand scheme of things. I kind of miss praying the rosary as well, and there's something too Roman Catholicism that feels instinctually right. I got that same instinctual feeling of truth when I first started attending divine liturgy, but I don't know how to make sense of the schism, or if it's even justifiable.

>>743687

Read the latter-schism Saints and decide for yourself. For Catholicism, I recommend St. Francis De Sales and St. Alphonsus Maria De Ligouri. Orthodox have Seraphim Rose and Kallisto Ware.

>>743676

Its a actual question that neither Catholics or Orthodox can answer. Well, nobody can answer for all I can see.

At the same time, since the schism is going to end as prophesied by multiple saints, I suppose it doesn't matter.

>>743687

>The churches claims to authority

You mean the Pope's authority?

>feels

Don't get carried away with your feelings, that's how the Enemy tempts us.

>I don't know how to make sense of the schism, or if it's even justifiable.

What don't you understand about it?

>>743690

>Its a actual question that neither Catholics or Orthodox can answer.

which is?

if you mean this >>743687

>The churches claims to authority, what that authority means, and the grand scheme of things

Yes, it has everything to do with what Christ proclaims is His Church, which has the ability to loose and bind on Heaven and Earth, and against which Hell shall not prevail.

There are several things you get out of this:

1. The need for the true Church to have true authority to "loose and bind" things, which pertains to teachings on Faith and Morals. Elsewhere in the scriptures, the Mosaic Jewish Rabbi's had the authority to "loose and bind", and Christ rebuked them for not following what they "binded".

2. "Hell will not prevail" - So, this True Church with always exist.

3. Now, what is this authority?

For 3., this has everything to do with the Apostle's, and in case for Catholics, Christ's pronouncement of St. Peter as the "block" that Christ's Church shall be built upon.

Both Churches claim apostolic succession, but only one claims that St. Peter had primacy, and an eternal seat of the Church that had to be filled.

>>743687

>I kind of miss praying the rosary as well, and there's something too Roman Catholicism that feels instinctually right.

Obviously I'm biased, but we have both a formidable theological tradition and expansive spiritual traditions.

>>743691

>Don't get carried away with your feelings, that's how the Enemy tempts us.

<feeling (faith) isn't an integral part of religion

I wasn't aware there was absolute proof of not only Christ's life, death and resurrection but also all the spiritual implications of those events and other related events as dictated by your church. You really need to share those, there are a lot of ignorant people who are obviously in the grip of The Devil because your church doesn't explain anything often, clearly or widely enough.

>>743702

>feeling (faith)

Faith isn't a feeling.

>your church doesn't explain anything often, clearly or widely enough

We've got literal mountains of patristics but I can't make you read them, just like I can't make you listen to our apologists either.

Do your friends at church know you're starting gay ass threads like this?

>>743689

>latter-schism Saints

>Seraphim Rose

>Kallisto Ware (who is still well and alive)

>>743687

That instinctual feeling you speak of is your intuition which presides in the soul with the holy spirit which knows truth and can't be influenced by demons like feelings and reason can.

Follow your intuition, it is guided by the holy spirit.

>>743672

BEGOME EASDERN-RIDE GADOLIG

**Wehave the liturgy of St. John Chrysostom :)==

>>743702

Faith is rational. Put down your fedora please.

one is infested with pedophiles and homosexuals, one has no church in my city. help

>>744255

One is so thoroughly hated by Satan that he attacks it at every chance he gets, one he leaves mostly alone.

>>744258

>bad things are happening to this church that means it's the true church

>good things are happening to this church that means it's the true church

Can this dumb meme die, please?

>>744255

>one has no church in my city

I know that feel… the closest one to me is a 20 minute drive away, in another city. Russian Orthodox.

While most of the clergy do speak English according to their Web site, I've just started learning Russian out of both interest in the language and respect for the Church.

>>743699

Orthodox do give primacy to St. Peter. It what that primacy entails that Catholics and Orthodox disagree on.

>>743672

Again this thread. yawn.

>>743690

>This entire year has been me going back and fourth between Orthodoxy and Catholicism, and it's getting tiring. I'm attending divine liturgy right now, I'm not a catachumen yet but I've made friends with people at the parish and have been trying to get more involved. However lately my mind has been consumed by thoughts of Catholicism, and doubt for Orthodox claims. Catholicism even seems to be more pragmatic in it's claims to truth. I don't want to be a church hopper, and I'm starting to feel really ashamed of myself.

>Its a actual question that neither Catholics or Orthodox can answer. Well, nobody can answer for all I can see.

There is no question in your post for all I can see. You do not know which church to pick, which means you search what way to take. Catholics and Orthodox do have this question settled already.They either choose the authority of one church or the other. Nobody can make the decision for you. There are like 8 gorillion of those threads that go the same every time. Orthos and caths arguing, using strawman and memes.

I understand your feelings as a catholic that was at some point in doubt. You should dig deeper into theology, attend church and then pick what you consider to be right church. You will not find the answer in endless threads ortho vs cath.

Good luck