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God doesn't have his hand on all things at all times. He said that he would send his Son to die, so that event was unstoppable. But he also didn't comment on a lot of things. You can go and sin if you wish to do so. Or choose how you will amuse yourself during your free time.

Not being able to stop something that is foretold doesn't mean you don't have free will. That's like saying "I tried to cut this onion but my mom didn't let me, therefore I don't have free will".

>>741628

http://theanguillian.com/2016/05/positive-living-nothing-can-happen-without-gods-permission/ According to this and every other Christian I've talked to God allows nothing that is not his will.

>>741631

Which doesn't make sense because you would have to ask permission to ask permission if you had to ask permission for everything. I think that everything is his will is a more logically sound hypothesis.

>>741631

My post still applies.

>But doesn't he have to allow everything? Doesn't the article say that?

Yes.

But also he said that he would give us free will and free thoughts. If we don't have free will there's no point in glorifying god since its not legitimate praise.

Go do something utterly inane or useless if you wish, you'll see you're able to do it. but please don't sin.

>>741628

> God doesn't have his hand on all things at all times.

yeah, we're gonna have to stop you right there, anon

< Christ… is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

-''Colossians 1:15-17

if Christ took His hand off anything at any time, it would cease to be

~

anywise, OP; what you're asking about is whether Man has absolute and complete 'Libertarian Free Will', and the Scriptures tell us that natural man does have an ability to choose, but he is a slave to his sin nature, and thus always chooses to follow his heart which is deceitful above all things – whereas God reveals Himself in Scripture as being the only One who has absolute freedom to do what He wants (Psalm 115:3) and thus in His Sovereign freedom, He both ordains everything that comes to pass, but also employs it to further His own purposes to glorify Himself

here, this might be helpful to ye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcyttnC6cjg

>>741638

sorry, anon, but if you reject the Scripture's declaration that in Him you move and live and have your being, then you don't really qualify as either a Christian or as someone with the ability to speak on this subject

>>741641

Oh great another anon with poor textual interpretation saying other people aren't Christian. This drives me up the wall since there is literally no excuse for this. People can go to school for free in most places, and you have access to the internet so you must at least be mid class.

Anyways I am going to explain what I meant and what the verse you quoted meant.

>>741628

>God doesn't preordinate that you would do a sick backflip on 2nd grade because that doesn't matter!

>Colossians 1:15-17

>God keeps the fabric of the world together and without him it would break apart

There is NO contradiction between either of those speeches.

>>741644

> God doesn't preordinate (sic) that you would do a sick backflip on 2nd grade because that doesn't matter!

< "But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment…

- Matt 12:36

everything matters, anon

everything

>>741633

That's what I thought. Maybe God is working through me, giving me good intuition. It's happened ( I forget exactly how many times) I think about 3 times.

>>741649

That's cool and all but you still haven't explained what Colossians 1:15-17 has to do with my post.

Actually nevermind that, I've had my fair share of stubborn people firing their guns at people early and then refusing to admit that they were wrong(Even the verse you quoted just now is irrelevant and actually could be applied to you because you carelessly said I wasn't Christian)

Also, it seems OP has replied to my post

>>741651

I'm going to be leaving this thread now, goodbye.

>>741663

I'm not trusting this unless you at least post biblical evidence for these claims.

Per Martin Luther there is nothing in the bible that permits us to peer deeply into these matters (the nature of God)

God already knows what choices you have and which one you will pick. God is outside of time, so He is not limited by past, present, or future. He knows who will chose to follow Him, and who will not. Some hearts are hardened, some are softened. Knowing this does not undo free will, it is simply that something outside of time is mostly beyond our comprehension. And God is allowed to make changes in our lives. He is God. Doesn't change that we have free will.

To fedoras out there: if you were driving and had a choice to make on which way to turn for going to the same location, a choice that inconsequential to your perception, but one of them will lead to your death, would you rather God suggest in your mind to take the one that would spare you or allow you to die?

>>741617

I smell a Calvinist behind this post.

>>741617

we have free will

given to us without cost

as ''free' tells

look deeper into the meaning of will

use holy bible ..use original language takemn from ..deepen understanding of will

keep in mind there is no confusion with our creator..

>>741631

our creator I sALL powerful and that which is'..which be "IS" due to his will…what is it to man if our loving one and only true creator willed'' that man is to hav ea will even if contrary to his…??why is this unacceptable? acceptable?