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>>735798

steven anderson?

>>735798

New phone, who dis?

>>735813

Tertullian isn't a Saint as well, but it's because he decided to leave the church willingly.

His writings in his Catholic times are good though.

>>735813

>preach ultimate peace

>denied sainthood

b***ards.

>>735798

>>735813

He was wrong on cutting is benis.

I don't think he ever preached many of the errors held by the origenists long after he was dead.

He died a martyr, held the faith, BTFO pagan philosophers in apologetics, and educated a saint (Gregory Thaumaturgus).

He was slightly wrong on certain subjects but this was far early than those teachings and dogmas were defined, so he was not guilty of heresy but only errors in good faith.

Unironically beatify him.

>>736008

I forgot he gave us the Hexapla, a chart of comparison of the whole Bible in all the major translations of his time.

The Vulgate was made using the Hexapla (now lost).

>>736004

>believed until the end of his life that souls are preexistant

Nothing personal

>>736008

>was far early than those teachings and dogmas were defined, so he was not guilty of heresy but only errors in good faith.

Those dogmas are explicit from tradition and the Bible, just because they weren't explicitly wrote in a council doesn't mean they weren't to be believed.

Although yeah I also think origen did it in good faith (if he wasn't warned of his wrong theories) because back then you had to cross check lots of references, while today a quick Google search tells you the dogmas of the church.

He might be in heaven, but I think he will never be canonised.

>>736022

I could probably name more than 12 Catholic canonized (((saints))) that are more full of bull that this guy.

>>736026

>doubting about canonizations of certain people

Hmmm you sure you want to go that way anon?

Of course saints teaching are not infallible, it remains to be known if Origen was warned of his errors during his lifetime or not. Because if he was warned and kept his theories regardless he is not in a good place.

A Saint might err like a normal human being, but if warned by the Church that he is wrong he must comply. Don't know if that's the case with Origen or not.

>>736027

>doubting

I doubt you and your ridiculous doctrine based on magic.

I have no doubt in God whatsoever.

>Hmmm you sure you want to go that way anon?

I want to go the way of truth without fearmongering and blatant lies.

>A Saint might err

>if warned by the Church

>he must comply

Christ would spit past his shoulder hearing this.

>>736032

Well aren’t you all righteous and mighty.

>>736048

Maybe I am, or maybe they are.

>>735798

Why does he look like Steven Anderson lmao

There's no redeeming of Origen. He was a platonizing heretic of the worst sort and the one responsible for those tendencies in many of the eastern Fathers.

>>736032

>Christ would spit past his shoulder hearing this.

Yo Peter it was just a prank when I founded my church. Actually the real rock of my church is the anon x from 2018.

>>736091

>not knowing about Jesus poking fun at Peter's name resembling the word 'rock'

>not knowing Jesus said that to mark Peter's devotion to Christ's cause

>literally considering Peter to be a LITERAL rock

>ignoring all the poetic metaphor in the Bible and Jesus's parables

And they say that Orthodox are too dumbstruck in their faith.

Absolute divine simplicity.

>>736097

>not knowing about Jesus poking fun at Peter's name resembling the word 'rock'

His name was Simon. It was Jesus who said he was going to be Peter. Are you saying Jesus only named him like that for fun?

>not knowing Jesus said that to mark Peter's devotion to Christ's cause

Isaiah 22:22

And I will place the key of the house of David upon his shoulder. And when he opens, no one will close. And when he closes, no one will open.

If you accept this then you must accept Mathew 16:18 is actually literal

>literally considering Peter to be a LITERAL rock

>ignoring all the poetic metaphor in the Bible and Jesus's parables

Everything Jesus says but contradicts by point of view is metaphorically.

>>736112

>His name was Simon. It was Jesus who said he was going to be Peter. Are you saying Jesus only named him like that for fun?

You completely missed the point.

>Isaiah 22:22

>you must accept Mathew 16:18

Actually, I don't have to accept any correlation and thank God you can't make me.

>contradicts by point of view is metaphorically

You really have no idea how metaphors or parables work then.

>>736116

>>736091

>>736097

>>736112

I'm really surprised that I can't find any variants of this meme anywhere. Anyways, kindly cut it the pooh out.

15 Anathemas against 'Origenism' from 5th Ecumenical Council:

https://www.arcaneknowledge.org/catholic/origen3.htm#s3_5

Some say the man believed in platonic reincarnation