9df674 No.735071
POPE FRANCIS: A HOMOSEXUAL CANNOT BE A PRIEST OR CONSECRATED
https://www.aciprensa.com/noticias/papa-francisco-un-homosexual-no-puede-ser-sacerdote-ni-consagrado-89755
I translated some of the Pope's quotes:
>"The question of homosexuality is a very serious one that must be adequately discerned at the beginning of the candidacy. We must be demanding. In our societies it even seems that homosexuality is in style and that mentality, in some way or another, ends up influencing church life"
>"It is something that worries me, because perhaps it was overlooked at some point"
>"When this is not properly discerned, problems arise. Like I was saying before, perhaps the problems do not become apparent immediately, but over time they will show themselves"
>"I had a bishop who was quite scandalised tell me he had found out about several homosexual priests in his diocese, a very large one too. He had to confront all this, before all else, in the formation, to form a different clergy"
>"In the consecrated life and in the priesthood, these sort of affectations have no place. Therefore, the Church recommends that such people with homosexual tendencies should not be accepted into any form of religious life"
b620e5 No.735077
You can get over it though
e09c48 No.735080
21ad5c No.735081
>>735071
>heterosexual celibacy is fine, anyone can do that
>homosexual celibacy is impossible, no one can do that, so don't even try
I see the faulty logic there
Come on, Frank, you can do better than this.
You need to wrestle the corruption out of your priests, not make blanket assertions.
9df674 No.735083
>>735080
It's true anon, it's a real news site
1de235 No.735087
>>735071
It's time for deeds, not words, guy
895444 No.735088
62d27c No.735090
>>735071
How can one man be so
BASED
500426 No.735094
>>735071
Funny thing is that if faggots didn't need to constantly announce that they're faggots, nobody would ever know.
156149 No.735102
>>735071
TFW Pope solves child abuse issue by banning homosexual priests.
d58513 No.735188
>>735081
Pope Francis is right, though. People struggling with SSA, even if in good faith, shouldn't be accepted in the clergy.
c2a44a No.735196
Catholics are smart enough to see what happened to the Lutherans and the Anglicans.
Why modernise? why bend to the modern world? those who want that are not even the church going type.
c84df1 No.735201
>>735081
>Guys just trust me, the celibate homosexuals are going to work this time
d28175 No.735202
4d7e20 No.735229
>>735081
>>homosexual celibacy is impossible, no one can do that, so don't even try
>I see the faulty logic there
Hurr why are Catholic priests pedophiles guyz?
That's the same logic the church had back in the 60s. Better late than ever to recognise faggots are the problem.
It took Pope Francis balls to say it.
e66a62 No.735254
B-B-B-BUT MUH FAVORITE BASED AND REDPILLED ANTI-CATHOLIC MEDIA OUTLET SAID HE WAS A GAY NWO COMMIE
9369a3 No.735259
>A HOMOSEXUAL CANNOT BE A PRIEST OR CONSECRATED
>priesthood filled with faggots anyway
Seems like your actions aren't exactly lining up with your words. We need another inquisition.
40b7aa No.735269
>>735188
then what should their vocation be?
766b0d No.735284
Wait and see if his words lead to a single action. Know them by their fruits.
a397ea No.735286
>>735071
Ok,now do something about the faggots paps
500426 No.735294
>>735286
>>735259
I thought works didn't matter.
8de227 No.735296
This man is all over the place with his opinions
500426 No.735306
>>735296
Not really. You're probably just reading what the media sensationalizes.
d46c3a No.735316
Well its a step in the right direction I suppose, maybe next he will stop idolatry that is in the church
9df674 No.735337
>>735306
Exactly. How many of you would have known he even said this if I hadn't translated it?
5e9be8 No.735356
>>735294
>Fails Protestant theology 101
21ad5c No.735363
>>735188 >>735201 >>735229
Wrong.
What the Catholic church NEEDS to do is:
(i) recognise, for once, that while the Church™ may be infallible, the clergy are still the same weak human beings of yore, they are not demi-gods of superhuman abilities, they are not the all-seeing-eye of God, they are just humans;
(ii) establish, once and for all, Church winnie-the-pooh-ing discipline – time for some serious excommunicatin', y'all!!
(iii) purge the limp-wristed (and I don't mean explicitly gay) episcopal leadership that won't discipline properly,
(iv) welcome genuine, serious, spiritual acolytes into the clergy who are dedicated to the notion of Christ alone for the rest of their lives,
(v) be willing to accept that half the clergy are expelled, half the congregations shrink, and seeing a priest is a rare thing
(vi) Train-up more deacons and lay-folk to pastor the flock and make-up the shortfall
(vii) ???
(viii) Profit!
This isn't just an issue about faggots invading the church because it is a safe space to fiddle kids, this is about power, unlimited, unfettered, unquestioned power. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Funny that it was a catholic who said that. Maybe keeping ALL gays out of the clergy will work – if you can FIND them all; remember, these ones slipped through the lines of defense – but the church™ will still have the same issues with abuses of power, lack of discipline, ungodliness amongst clergy, and episcopal leaders brushing it all under the carpet. It took the fedora-world to expose this lot only because it was so egregious and easily outrage-worthy. The next scandal will still come. And the next. Discipline is what's needed, serious consequences for serious failures of leadership.
568054 No.735526
>>735269
They don't have one. God does not call anyone who has even an inkling of sodomite perversion to the priesthood. He does not even call non sodomites who indulge in lustful thoughts to the clergy. Sodomites must do much penance to rid themselves of their perversion.
4d7e20 No.735580
>>735363
Agreed. Excommunications need to drop like rain again.
b620e5 No.735587
>>735526
What about after penance
e06bb2 No.735591
>>735587
Sodomite implies that the person in question will never seek to repent twords God.
b620e5 No.735594
>>735591
That's not really implied. But I agree there's a strong distinction.
c2a44a No.735674
a3461c No.735682
>>735363
>Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely
If this statement were true, God would be corrupt. A catholic whig coined that adage, and whigs were the original progressives.
e06bb2 No.735684
>>735682
>implying God has faults
Begone HERETIC!
b7b382 No.735685
>>735682
>not realizing 1 Samuel and 2 Samuel are about exactly that
a3461c No.735686
>>735684
I wasn't implying God has faults.
If power corrupts, then absolute power corrupts absolutely
and if God has absolute power
Then God is absolutely corrupt.
Obviously, God is not absolutely corrupt.
Therefore, power does not corrupt.
6d5c73 No.735687
>>735674
Of Course they are. Don't all they do there, is appease sodomites?, Appease atheists?, And i'm pretty sure, but if i were to bring up the warrior saints/class of Christianity. Crusades. Orthodox warriors defending against the, Ottomans. That would probably be struck down? Isn't reddit the place, where the whole Flying Spaghetti monster meme started? Along with the onslaught of angry atheist of 2008? That's still lingering around this to this day? So, if that's the case no surprise lol.
b7b382 No.735690
>>735687
Na flying spaghetti monster was made in the 90s well before reddit
e06bb2 No.735693
>>735686
Yes you are. God has absolute power over us all, yet he is not corrupt. Corruption is due to our human faults (hence why the Vatican is so corrupt).
REPENT HERETIC
a3461c No.735694
>>735685
Monarchy is the Christian form of government, too bad Prots hate authority more than they hate sin.
22fac7 No.735695
>>735694
1 Samuel and 2 Samuel were all about monarchy corrupting israel and human monarchs being corrupt, God is the only true monarch THEE POINT OF SAMUEL, God again and again tells them they do not want a monarchy. Read your freaking bible before you talk /pol/ out of your ass.
a3461c No.735697
>>735693
How are you this dense? I will spell it out for you one last time. Power does not corrupt. If power corrupted, God would be corrupt. God is not corrupt, therefore power does not corrupt.
22fac7 No.735698
>>735697
Humans arent God, how dense are you.
6d5c73 No.735699
>>735690
Ah, ok thanks didn't know that. Plus being born in the 90s, i only came into a childhood during the early 2000s. I always thought it came out of the 2008 atheist assault wave, and my bias showing but rightfully so against, a lot of the protestant denominations. That have really bad theology/Explanations. But still pretty cringey, now going into the Church fathers, G,k Chesterton, C.S Lewis, and so more. A lot of these arguments we're just as cringey as the protestants saying, *Oh well god works in mysterious ways*.
a3461c No.735700
>>735695
Israel was corrupt before Saul became king, and God gave them the good king David.
God is the only perfect monarch, not the only true one. There have been many true monarchs.
22fac7 No.735701
>>735700
David disobeys god constantly in 2 Samuel and does things that hurts his country as a monarch.
a3461c No.735702
e06bb2 No.735703
>>735697
You dropped this. Here you go. Now please be a heretic somewhere else.
a3461c No.735704
>>735703
>everyone who disagrees with me is an atheist
22fac7 No.735705
>>735702
>God tells them to not have a monarch
>Both monarch disobey god and hurt their country
>God wants you to have monarchs
Do you see your cognitive dissonance?
a3461c No.735706
>>735705
If man weren't fallen, kings wouldn't be necessary. Governments wouldn't be necessary. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to get rid of all governments. Is your interpretation of Samuel 1 and 2 that God intends democracy?
Traditional Christian government is monarchy. That is the government of Christendom. I have more trust in the Church than I do in keyboard warriors on the internet.
22fac7 No.735707
>>735706
No god wants councils of judges and elders like israel had before they begged god for a king and god RELUCTANTLY provided one. 1 Samuel and 2 Samuel clearly define that Monarchy is not the government of Christendom.
22fac7 No.735708
>>735706
Also Church isnt Government
Polite Sage
a3461c No.735709
>>735707
>Monarchy is not the government of Christendom
Monarchy has been the government of Christendom since Constantine. Are you saying that Constantine was a heretic?
22fac7 No.735710
>>735709
Constantine hardly had an absolute monarchy, they had councils of priest, councils of governors and councils of republics who had their own smaller councils.
a3461c No.735711
>>735710
>[Emperor] Constantine hardly had an absolute monarchy
Perhaps you misunderstood: I'm not discussing Church organization. I'm saying that the secular form of government ideal for Christianity is an enlightened Christian monarchy. I'm not arguing for Papism or for the Pope to rule a secular empire.
22fac7 No.735713
>>735711
Im not talking church organization either, I mean I dont understand why you need any more proof than god telling the israelites not to have a monarch and only buckling after 10 years of begging and GOD CHOOSES THEM unlike real life monarchies and even the ones god chooses are corrupt. Just cause the church came about in a monarchy doesnt mean monarchy is the answer, the only real monarch is god and absolute power doesnt absolutely corrupt him CAUSE HE IS GOD NOT HUMAN.
a3461c No.735714
>>735713
>I dont understand any more proof than God telling the Israelites not to have a monarch
Because wiser men than me read Samuel 1 and 2 and still chose to support monarchy. I'm an inheritor of the Christian tradition, not a lone wolf reconstructing the faith off of my ability to correctly interpret Scripture.
22fac7 No.735715
>>735714
>choose to support the monarchy
>Christians are demanded to be model citizens and support and follow the laws of their country
>that means they are in the belief that absolute monarchy is the way
you just ridiculous man
6b921a No.735717
>>735704
>I can say God has faults and still be a Christian because I said so.
b7b382 No.735725
>>735714
St Thomas Aquinas was against absolute Monarchy and believed all men were equal in God. The divine right concept came from the church of England twisting statements made by st Robert in his claim that no matter the government system power is appointed by god. In short church fathers dont actually agree with you.
40b7aa No.735746
>>735526
What about becoming a monk or hermit (if that counts)?
de7983 No.735759
>>735746
Being a hermit would be better. Surrounding yourself with temptation in a monestary won't help you at all.
1196e9 No.735765
>>735717
>I said so
But he said nothing of the sort. In fact he uses argumentation that is known even in the bible, even if he's wrong anyways
9f4daa No.735788
a3461c No.735832
>>735725
Convenient to ignore the fact that for most of Christian history most Christian nations have had monarchical governments. I don't think this is a coincidence, and frankly I don't care that much what Thomas Aquinas thought. He wasn't Orthodox.
22fac7 No.735833
>>735832
Site the church fathers then cause two sited church fathers disagree with you. Your original argument was that it was defined by the church fathers. So come on or is this thread right
>>735801
a3461c No.735847
>>735833
“Monarchy is superior to every other constitution and form of government. For polyarchy, where everyone competes on equal terms, is really anarchy and discord.” —Eusebius of Caesaria (4th Century)
“The three most ancient opinions about God are atheism (or anarchy), polytheism (or polyarchy), and monotheism (or monarchy). The children of Greece played with the first two; let us leave them to their games. For anarchy is disorder: and polyarchy implies factious division, and therefore anarchy and disorder. Both these lead in the same direction – to disorder; and disorder leads to disintegration; for disorder is the prelude to disintegration. What we honour is monarchy”—St. Gregory the Theologian (4th Century)
“God has counted the Emperors worthy to rule over His inheritance, over His earthly Church.” - St. Gregory of Palamas
So we done here or nah?
22fac7 No.735848
>>735847
yes for once you googled and actually read what church fathers wrote im pleased… you are on your way to becoming a real christian rather than a larper that wants to play olden days.
a3461c No.735849
>>735848
>church fathers don't actually agree with you
<turns out they do
>haha i'm pleased you're actually reading church fathers
are you a different dude or can you not get off your high horse and admit you were wrong?
22fac7 No.735850
>>735849
Lel I could say the same thing based off church fathers I sited so not sure your point. Im about 100% sure you didnt actually check what church fathers said till i pointed out two church fathers that disagreed with you.
a3461c No.735852
>>735850
St. Robert didn't actually disagree with my point, really anyone who has read Romans already knows what he was saying there. As for Thomas Aquinas; I'm not Catholic, and I think he was wrong.
a3461c No.735853
>>735717
>It's easier for a Protestant to accuse people of blasphemy than it is for them to examine their presuppositions about authority and power
22fac7 No.735855
>>735852
ehh robert did robert said the only working form of monarchy was a mix of monarchy, aristocracy and democracy, pure monarchies dont work in his view point.
a3461c No.735859
>>735855
"pure monarchy"
Does this imply a single person micromanaging everyone's lives in the entire state? Obviously the sovereign can delegate…
22fac7 No.735864
>>735859
pure monarchy implies absolute power rest with the monarch rather than with the his appointed councils and peoples constitution, in the mixed monarchy he suggest the monarch is more just a figurehead, see britian.
a3461c No.735868
>>735864
Constitutional monarchy is a joke; every constitutional monarchy is indistinguishable from a democracy. The king is sovereign or he isn't; no benefit to pretending he answers to a piece of paper.
22fac7 No.735870
>>735868
then you dont agree with St Robert cut and dry… moving on
437a1e No.735874
>>735682
Of all the shit I have read on this board, THIS would have to be the dumbest winnie the pooh shit …
The statement implicitly limits itself to humans alone, doofus. Anyone who knows God knows God is without corruption.
Stop being a fedora, moron.
d41aa3 No.735880
>>735853
>It's easier for a fedora to spout heresy than it is to admit fault.
0e4349 No.735882
>>735717
Are you dyslexic?
d41aa3 No.735886
>>735882
No im a Christian
a3461c No.735887
>>735874
>>735880
"Power corrupts" is not a Christian teaching. It is a Whig teaching. Whigs believed that "the arc of history bends toward justice". In essence, they were progressives. Christians traditionally did not believe that the arc of history bends toward justice, Christians believe that the world is fallen and will be until the return of Christ our king, that the best possible world is merely one in which we submit to God's eternal will. God does not change, so our submission to God should not change.
d41aa3 No.735889
>>735887
The theory of relativity isn't a Christian teaching either, does that mean we should discard that as well? Just because some Whigs coined the phrase doesn't make it any less true.
c2b30f No.735890
>>735071
>POPE FRANCIS: A HOMOSEXUAL
a3461c No.735892
>>735889
The theory of relativity doesn't obligate me to refer to men who have mutilated their genitalia as women, nor to pretend that women are exactly the same as men, nor to pretend that Jamaicans are the same as Belgians.
21st century Whiggery, however, does.
22fac7 No.735896
>>735892
The Whigs were hardly modern progressives they believed in absolute power of the federal government, that is their only similar quality to modern progressives who say they want a "stronger federal government". This would be sorta like saying whigs caused the Civil war, but we all know it was the republican party in power doing whig like things.
a3461c No.735897
>>735896
They aren't just "similar" they have many identical beliefs, chiefly, that the world is slowly becoming better, that society is evolving, and that authority is evil. These beliefs are identical whether we are talking about an 18th century Whig or a 21st century blue-haired sodomite.
22fac7 No.735902
>>735897
yet the whigs were known as the party of the aristocracy, many were slave owners and believed in centralizing power and strong authority the complete opposite of what you describe.
a3461c No.735916
>>735902
You're thinking of the American whig party, not the original Whigs. We're all either Whigs or Tory's, but the American political parties were all Whigs fundamentally, the American revolution was a Whig revolution.
67613e No.735993
>>735081
When a heterosexual has a lapse in celibacy, he has an affair with a grown woman. When a homosexual has a lapse in celibacy, he rapes little boys. This is a lesson the Church has learned over and over and over again. It's just not worth the overwhelming risk.
71a1bf No.735995
>>735102
Nah. He only said there's no place in the church for this…they'll just send the boys to the rape shack next door.
9b191f No.736735
>>735759
Do you get any Graces or brownie points for going into hermit? Or is it seen as the Nursing to the Priest's MD/PHD?
cae32e No.747956
>>736738
I heard this somewhere, but I heard seminary is where a person goes to become an atheist or a non-believer?
c7af56 No.747972
>>736735
It has nothing to do with brownie points and had everything to do with fully devoting one's time to God. No distractions = all time goes to God.
e85cda No.747987
I can't believe he said that tbh. Will bring a shitstorm from every angle
7f6fe5 No.748046
>>735788
>Catholics on /christian/ are opening a bottle of champagne because the pope said something Catholic
>"Christians" on reddit are mad because the pope followed the words of Christ.
How can one be a Christian and support faggotry. Am I too dumb to understand their mental gymnastics?
How do they justify sodomy is the Bible and the Tradition say the opposite with no other interpretation possible?
7f6fe5 No.748048
>>735788
I must say people in r/atheism are the most ignorant people I've seen on earth.
I don't know whether to puke or laugh.
My God the misconceptions they have about the church and religion in general.
af56b3 No.748053
>>735071
So any legislative action will be taken or are these just words up in smoke?
cb7dab No.748065
>>735196
Shame he still supports the Luciferian creed of bolshevism.
92bb8b No.748066
>>735102
Most of the Catholic sex scandals are better described as "homosexual abuses" rather than child abuse; they happen mostly at seminaries and the victims are young men.
cb7dab No.748067
>>735847
as Hitchins pointed out… constitutional monarchies are one of the best systems devised by man. 5 out of 7 of the worlds freest and happiest nations are (or were?) as such, universal suffrage democracy is the false shephard.
cb7dab No.748068
>>735697
The power of man (the opposite of love) is temporal aka false… gods power lies in selfless love, true power which enabled a jewish carpenter to shake the foundations of this world.
7f6fe5 No.748071
>>748065
Except he condemned communist again following the church doctrine.
cb7dab No.748081
>>748071
I may be wrong but I remember him being in full support of colonizing Europe with foreigners? The foreigner vs the native, the abolition of borders, the creed of the Bolshevik.
e85cda No.748084
>>748066
Yes and what's worse is that the homos in the CC, would rather it be broadcast as paedophilia (because that lets them off the hook).
7f6fe5 No.748087
>>748081
What, when he says he pities the refugees? That has nothing to do with the abolition of borders or communism.
Its just a bit naive to think those refugees won't burn down our homes, but apart from that there's nothing even remotely communist about it.
In fact quite the opposite, because he pities those people because he feels sorry for them while communism just sees people are robots who solely live for the state and economy.
I wish people stopped throwing the communist word around without meaning what it really means.
b9f66c No.748115
>>735363
well said. JC did wash the feet of his disciples (and not of random poors like pic related) because the mission is to serve, not to command.
b9f66c No.748119
>>735759
>Being a hermit would be better. Surrounding yourself with temptation in a monestary won't help you at all.
This. In fact the, pardon the pun, crux of the matter is this: what kind of service is proper for a guy with homo tendencies.
f50f41 No.748155
>Jesus loves ya and so do I, and I also forgive you, but there are times when one is unable to do what they'd want to.
Based
7f6fe5 No.748159
f50f41 No.748171
>>748159
Who? Said? Oh it was nothing, just a portrayal of how it could have happened.
4869f2 No.748172
>>748119
So many of these guys are extroverts it seems (I know, I know.. stereotype). They would not be good for it. I live a pretty solitary life myself, but it isn't for everyone.
7f6fe5 No.748182
>>748119
>what kind of service is proper for a guy with homo tendencies.
Religious or otherwise anon?
As for religious they should live in celibate in their houses just like normal people and pray a lot.
7f6fe5 No.748244
>>748223
May God forgive your gross blasphemies.
ee8ed7 No.748611
>>735725
In fact the England twisted the concept of monarchy into a role subordinate to state. The "divine concept" did not come from England. The King being a bridge upwards is what every monarchy was built upon.
>>735725
And yet most Christian nations were monarchical. When they adopted democracy Christianity declined severely.
I think you interpret "being equal in God" in a very modern sense…in a sense let's make everyone equal.
This way you may abolish clergy, abolish hierarchy in church, not? everyone is equal…anyone can become a priest since we're equal in God.
Many people use the term "equal" and this magic word is interpreted in a various ways.
ecd219 No.749219
>>748172
>I know, I know.. stereotype
Another word for stereotype is "algorithm", or "pattern recognition", you're not imagining it when you notice that so many fags are exhibitionist about their sinful lifestyles (which you incorrectly identify as being an extrovert; the latter is a personality type, while the former is an aspect of the sexual fetishism which homosexuals are so prone to). Ironically however, the algorithm may fail in this instance because someone suffering from SSA but who still maintains the self-awareness to repent of the sinful homosexual lifestyle and to try to break free of SSA is much less likely to be exhibitionist.
That being said, those afflicted with SSA have no vocation within the structure of the church, a private life of Chastity and religious contemplation in order to overcome these sinful urges would be best (also note that chastity is not equivalent to celibacy, it would be fruitful to one day have a wife!) .
>>748067
I'm sympathetic to your position, but that's just totally faulty methodology and reasoning, and doesn't account at all for confounding factors like, chiefly, race. Undoubtedly the "freedom" being measured is freedom of minorities to make demands of and dominate the majority, fags to marry, musloids to preach, etc, etc. Yet we know where "freedom" from morals leads, and destruction of wealth, happiness, and real freedom follows shortly thereafter (the destruction whose beginnings we witness presently).
Also "constitutional monarchy" is far too broad a term, both Sweden and Britain might be called constitutional monarchies, just as some sub-saharan african dump of a country might be. But of course we know that the royals of Sweden and Britain are toothless and they are effectively universal suffrage "representative" democracies. If anything, if you ignore race, the argument runs much more against monarchy; King Bongo has a lot more power in his country than Queen Elizabeth does hers, but where would you rather live?
Sort of reminds me of the mush-head arguments that Scandinavian socialism is the ideal form of government: they're wealthy, happy, and crime is so low! But look at Scandinavian populations in America and amazingly their quality of life, wealth, and crime rate are nearly identical, imagine that! Of course I don't see this argument as often since Sweden has effectively burned through a century of surplus in order to better support Achmed the ISIS fighter's fifteen kids